So Then . . . the FBI

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Introduction

So, at last week’s Grace Agenda, we concluded the event with a giant Block Party. The evening was fabulous, just like last year, and one of the crowning blessings for us this time around was that our goings-on were surveilled by the FBI. It is a dangerous world out there, and when people start singing psalms on the street, and handing out free tri-tip, it is nice to know that the Feds are on it.

Nota Bene: It is quite possible that this was not surveillance at all, but rather an agent new to town taking a stroll, and sampling the food. It is also possible that the intent was to be noticed so that we might be suitably intimidated. Or something else.

But Seriously . . .

There are a few good things about the times we are living in, and one of them is that the regime has been forced into acting more like a regime. I mean, when you use federal law enforcement to raid your principal political opponent’s home, in order to kneecap any possible presidential run that might challenge you and your cronies, one searches around for a suitable thing to call it, and everything we can think of rhymes with topallitarian.

First they were the deep state that nobody knew about. Then they were the deep state that people starting talking about, having put some key pieces together. And now, here we are, with the deep state right there on the surface, like a dead mackerel washed up on the beach. And it hasn’t been that long yet, but it is already starting to stink.

But if it is right there on the surface of the beach, why can’t some people see it yet?

Mass Formation

In a recent fascinating book, The Psychology of Totalitarianism, written by Matthias Desmet, he describes the prerequisites of mass formation, and he does a really good job with it. I don’t buy his epistemology, or his solutions, or his postmodern uncertainties, but he does a superb job describing how the global population is currently being “worked.” We see deep loneliness everywhere, a result of the disintegration of true communities. All of us now live in clouds of free-floating anxiety, where people don’t know what exactly is wrong, except for everything. Everything is wrong. When a population consists of such isolated, atomistic individuals, all of them worried about the nebulous threat, it is entirely predictable what will happen when a threat is finally identified and named. This time it was a VIRUS, and the result was that the entire global village went nuts, and descended into a warp spasm of irrationality.

Now when in the grip of this kind of irrationality, which runs from the lone bicyclist out in the sunshine of the countryside wearing a mask, up to the highest echelons of the medical establishment issuing contradictory edicts, it is not really possible to have a discussion about the evidence. Any attempt to have a discussion about the evidence will be taken as a clear sign that you want to kill grandma, and you clearly need to have your posting privileges revoked.

This level of panic and fear justifies, in their minds, an absolute need for censorship, along with the demand that we gladly accept the loss of our privacy, and the following demand that we, for the good of our neighbors, surrender our freedoms. In such a time, the totalitarian moment has arrived. We are currently in that moment, and a widespread refusal to acknowledge the obvious is one of the more obvious traits of that moment. Deny it all you want to, there really is a cabal of globalist elites in the middle of a gargantuan power grab, and they want the power to control everything that you are allowed to say. Their counterclaim, of course, is that for you to say so is outrageous, and that you ought not to be allowed to say it.

And, of course, we also need to recognize that those who refuse to accept this official narrative are also susceptible to mass formation delusions of their own, albeit on a much smaller scale. This is where the screwball conspiracy theories come from. For the establishment, such folks provide the very useful function of making every dissenter look like an idiot—connecting all the obvious dots to various non-existent dots. One almost suspects that Alex Jones is on their payroll. Hmmmm? What if absolutely everybody is the controlled opposition? Except for me of course.

This kind of mass formation is a true contagion, resulting in a high fever for society. This high fever will either kill the patient, or the fever will break. Either way, these times of delusion are going to be over at some point in the near future. When that happens, ordinary politics will still be with us, and so there will be a scramble for the good words, and many political leaders who led the way in promoting panic porn will have to pretend to have been virus-deniers from the very first. For most, those who were craven, that will be a hard sell but they will still attempt it. For others, for those who were actually courageous, they can just tell the truth. They can just point to what they did.

But Back to Our FBI Guy

These principles do not just apply to governors of various states, or to media pundits, or to authors of penetrating books. They also apply to churches and Christian organizations. And let us be frank. When the societal conditions for mass formation took shape, most Christians did not belong to organizations that had any kind of immune system. They just went along.

They were not being good citizens, driving on the right side of the road like everybody else. Rather, they were simply cattle, herded into their pens at the stockyards, where they could quietly muse on what they imagined Romans 13 was about. But it isn’t that. It is not about waiting quietly for the slaughterhouse.

We had a Block Party, and thousands came to it. We sang psalms, we heard good music, there was a lot of free food, and there was dancing. Not only was there dancing, there was dancing in the street. And the FBI thought that it represented a potential danger. They needed somebody to keep an eye on it. And you know what? I don’t blame them because as far as their way of doing business is concerned, it really is a danger. The only answer to their totalitolerance (with regard to social relations) and their totaliterrorism (with regard to viral infections and climate change) is for good people to have a good time, and to do it coram Deo.

The early Christians were killed because they were a threat to the regime. It doesn’t count if you are killed because you were taking up space, increasing your carbon footprint by breathing out through your noses at Big Eva conferences. And so credibility doesn’t come from writing balanced and winsome articles. Credibility doesn’t come from quietly cooperating with totalitarian moves. Credibility doesn’t come from being unable to notice totalitarian moves. No, credibility comes from speaking prophetically—which means speaking against the wolves who are harassing the sheep. Harassing the sheep yourself is not what it means to be prophetic. Credibility comes from having your people arrested at one of your psalm sings. Credibility comes from having the FBI surveil your church potlucks. Credibility comes from speaking against Ahab for stealing Naboth’s vineyard. It does not arise from a long think piece that wonders whether Naboth was perhaps guilty of some heart-idolatry in that he perhaps cared too much about that vineyard.

In short, let me borrow and repurpose a great title from a Von Balthasar book—Love Alone is Credible.

A few years ago, a man from California came to a wedding here in Moscow, coming for a relative’s wedding. As he watched the festivities at the reception, his comment was really poignant. He said, “I didn’t know that this America still existed.” It still does, it really does. But it cannot continue to exist on the basis of inertia alone. It will not continue to exist unless Americans turn back to Christ. America is in desperate need of salvation, which ought to be pretty obvious by now, and it is not possible to have that salvation without calling upon the Savior.

And this is why the FBI was there, watching our church celebration. They were watching it carefully because Christ was there.

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Jen Mugrage
3 months ago

“These times of delusion are going to be over in the very near future.”
I hope so, Pastor. I very much hope so.

Sewa
Sewa
3 months ago
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Jane
Jane
3 months ago

What exactly happened that constituted FBI surveillance or caused you to believe it was happening?

Col
Col
3 months ago
Reply to  Jane

If you’ve seen any of the lists coming out from the FBI of what they consider to be signs that someone is at risk of domestic terrorism it shouldn’t really be any surprise that they would want to surveil us.

JohnM
JohnM
3 months ago
Reply to  Col

Do you have links to any of the lists?

JR
JR
3 months ago
Reply to  JohnM

– An leak of an FBI document on domestic terrorism has a terrifyingly broad definition of terrorism, etc. They even designated American Contingency, a community emergency response organization founded by former Green Beret Mike Glover, as a domestic terror organization. https://youtu.be/p4JBDcN7YFo

JohnM
JohnM
3 months ago
Reply to  JR

But I still haven’t seen the list. Might be possible to pause the video and see what the documents briefly flashed are, but frankly that’s aggravating and I figure if you’ve got something available to post in support of a claim, just post it. I wouldn’t be surprised by an overly broad definition, or to find some organizations are wrongly suspected, but then some organizations shouldn’t be surprised when they are suspected either.

Cherrera
Cherrera
3 months ago
Reply to  JohnM

Not hard to find. It’s extremely broad as JR mentioned. Even various flag wavers and those mentioning Ruby Ridge (much worse abuse of law enforcement than incidents leading to riots in recent years) are suspect. And this “all Trumpers are potential domestic terrorists” narrative has been very prominent since J6.
FBI Whistleblower LEAKS Bureau’s ‘Domestic Terrorism Symbols Guide’ on ‘Militia Violent Extremists’ Citing Ashli Babbitt as MVE Martyr | Project Veritas

Andrea
Andrea
3 months ago
Reply to  Cherrera

Oh wow according to that document, I am a suspected extremist! How risiculous. I’m just a house wife and mom who likes to spend some of my free time joking on the interwebs.

Cherrera
Cherrera
3 months ago
Reply to  JohnM

Obviously no one will be posting classified lists (unless your name is Hillary or maybe Hunter and you can get away with it). However, this has clearly been the administration’s pattern, as Project Veritas has exposed multiple times. In addition, Homeland Security citing those opposed to COVID measures and those believing in election fraud as the first two “terror threat” groups on the 20-year anniversary of 9/11 says it all. I mean seriously….how did radical Jihadists not make the top of the list?
“Potential Terror Threats” under Biden’s DHS. | Human Events

Prince of Tides
Prince of Tides
3 months ago
Reply to  Cherrera

Yeah, it’s so much easier to steal classified documents from the WH and lock them up in your bathroom at Mar-a-Lago.

Project Veritas rarely puts out a credible story. But I’m sure that doesn’t bother you in the least.

You’re such a snowflake. BooHooing all the time.

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Cherrera
Cherrera
3 months ago

Project Veritas is about 500% more reliable than the WaPo, National Pravda Resistance and other toxic sludge who lie daily and only care about their narratives. As for Obama, he didn’t move his classified docs to Mar-a-Lago. Nor did Hillary–just a good ol’ email and server she could destroy. And Hunter, that x-rated star with hundreds of videos of illegal activities…when is your beloved totalitarian administration going to do anything about him? Of course, we know you thrive on double standards and truth and consistency aren’t even on your radar.

Prince of Tides
Prince of Tides
3 months ago
Reply to  Cherrera

Honey, please. Get back on your meds. It must be wonderful to create your own set of facts. I suppose that it doesn’t really work well when you, on rare occasions, venture out into the real world.

I bet you’re a hoot at the annual KKK rally.

Justin Parris
Justin Parris
3 months ago

I appreciate the art of trolling, but its much more effective when its subtle enough that it isn’t clear that’s what you’re doing.

What you ought to have done is pretend to be someone who agrees with Wilson on almost everything, and make each individual topic an “exception” so that people don’t catch wind too quickly to what you’re doing.

Prince of Tides
Prince of Tides
3 months ago
Reply to  Justin Parris

It’s a given that as a Wilson fanboy, you’re ok with lying and obfuscation. I’m not. But I commend you for the brevity of your post.

Cherrera
Cherrera
3 months ago

Lying and obfuscation have been your MO here, Clay. This includes coming up with a new screen name every few months after completely embarrassing yourself. But as a Biden voter and part of a mainline denom with zero commitment to Biblical truth, there’s no reason to expect more. Your comments are like a Mad Magazine take on Alinsky, including the Luciferian dedication.

Mr. Great-Heart
Mr. Great-Heart
3 months ago

What’s your beef, sweetie? You seem to be spending a lot of effort to show everyone your “very important grievance” trading cards.

Sean Kooyman
Sean Kooyman
3 months ago
Reply to  JohnM

Here’s the leak, from Project Veritas and discussed by Senator Ted Cruz: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AO4rr9SvWSo

Jane
Jane
3 months ago
Reply to  Col

I asked what it was. I didn’t claim to be surprised or doubtful.

Eric
Eric
3 months ago
Reply to  Jane

These people fight. They fight and they fight and they fight. Don’t take it personal.

Appalachian Mtn Man
Appalachian Mtn Man
3 months ago
Reply to  Jane

I’d like to hear more about this too. How was it determined that they were present? Or is it an assumption? I have no doubt the FBI would try to worm their into Christian Churches, but did Doug actually see something?

Armin
Armin
3 months ago

I don’t think they were there so much because it was a Christian gathering, but rather, because it was overwhelmingly white.

Jonny Nance
Jonny Nance
3 months ago
Reply to  Armin

In other words, because it was a gathering in central Idaho.

Armin
Armin
3 months ago
Reply to  Jonny Nance

It was still a large gathering of non-woke whites. That’s what the regime doesn’t like. The demographics of the state are irrelevant.

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Prince of Tides
Prince of Tides
3 months ago
Reply to  Armin

But sure looked like a snowflake convention.

Cherrera
Cherrera
3 months ago
Reply to  Armin

C’mon man, this was in Idaho. The crowd would be lily white even if it were a bunch of pot-smoking libs protesting “climate change” or something. This is about leftist privilege. The FBI wouldn’t come close to a a gathering of SJWs or group they deemed completely apolitical.

Armin
Armin
3 months ago
Reply to  Cherrera

If it were black Christians there would have been no FBI there.

Cherrera
Cherrera
3 months ago
Reply to  Armin

I seriously doubt that. The Proud Boys have black and Latino members and they’ve been treated and punished in a completely different way than (largely white) Antifa. It’s a two-tiered justice system based on politics.

Armin
Armin
3 months ago
Reply to  Cherrera

The Proud Boys are a street activist group and are considered white supremacist by the regime, regardless of their ethnic make-up or whatever they claim their views are, so that’s not a valid comparison.

Dave
Dave
3 months ago
Reply to  Armin

Armin, in 2020, Moscow hosted two BLM marches. The Moscow Police Department didn’t do anything. That same year, the MPD arrested three Christians singing Psalms at City Hall. The Psalm Singers broke no laws — Federal, Idaho or City of Moscow — yet they were arrested. The alphabet agencies tend to show up here when someone tries to light stones on fire using some of Wilson’s writings or by making things up. The FBI has been here several times and each time it is a giant nothing burger. That being said, there is still no valid reason for an FBI… Read more »

David
David
3 months ago

Well, how about them apples!

Elizabeth
Elizabeth
3 months ago

Perhaps the #FBI will repent believe in Jesus and will become reformed ?

Adad
Adad
3 months ago

….now that you mention it, Hunter Biden and Austin Powers do have a bit of overlap, albeit unfunny, in the case of the former.
😉

JD
JD
3 months ago

Naboth’s Pronouns: “…whether Naboth was perhaps guilty of some heart-idolatry in that her perhaps cared too much about that vineyard.”

Editor’s note: “her” should be “he”

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JD
JD
3 months ago
Reply to  Douglas Wilson

Yes, and please fix it pronto, lest the CrossPolitic guys accuse him of being a Baptist.

Molly Newman
Molly Newman
2 months ago
Reply to  JD

Lol. I had to log in just for the purpose of giving kudos for this comment. 👊🏽

Dave
Dave
3 months ago

Let’s call it what it is. They were not surveilling, anymore than the “Raid” was retrieving stolen documents. This was intimidation, pure and simple. This has become the new tactic, although an ancient method, to scare you into retreat through fear. Prevailing is not possible with the advance of God’s kingdom.

john m
john m
3 months ago

While I have no doubt that the FBI would consider this a threat I think you should tell your readers what evidence you have to support your claim the FBI was filming you. Are you assuming they were there? Were you told by an FBI agent they were filming you?

James
James
3 months ago

seriously, would somebody please tell the inquiring minds why in the world you think the FBI was there. Not all hearing aids are communication devices between FBI agents. Some people just can’t hear very well.

JG
JG
3 months ago
Reply to  James

I have the same question. I am in federal law enforcement and…, well, I’m not saying this didn’t happen but did you see some credentials? Or did someone just “look FBIish”?

JG
JG
3 months ago
Reply to  Douglas Wilson

The FBIs leadership has certainly done enough to make this plausible but I’m sticking with innocent until proven guilty on this one.

john m
john m
3 months ago
Reply to  JG

Agreed. I always give Wilson the benefit of the doubt but this strikes me as paranoia.

Jane
Jane
3 months ago
Reply to  JG

Or at least, nothing to see until I’m at least told what there is to see!

Dave
Dave
3 months ago
Reply to  JG

JG and John, the FBI has been here before and will keep coming back as long as those who hate God keep lying. JG, being in federal law enforcement, you should know some of the silly things that go on that have no connection to facts, but rather to feelings — nothing more than feelings. You should also know how many federal agents aren’t worth the cost of their badges and who keep making serious mistakes. Remember that August 22nd marked the 30 anniversary of Ruby Ridge where the FBI murdered citizens because they could. “Argue your case with your… Read more »

Cherrera
Cherrera
3 months ago
Reply to  JG

It’s both what the three-letter agencies have turned into after Obama and Biden…and their past track record. As Dave mentioned, Ruby Ridge (and Waco) are two examples. Going back further, there are many shadowy and “Manchurian Candidate” programs that were eventually declassified and exposed. At this point, it comes down to whom you trust…and I don’t trust Biden’s personal “law enforcers” at all. That said, I know some local ones who are good guys and come from a military background myself. As for “proof,” it’s obvious why DW may not share that. While Feds may pay lip service to whistleblowers,… Read more »

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Justin Parris
Justin Parris
3 months ago
Reply to  JG

Innocent until proven guilty assumes some sort of crime is accused, and that a denial of said crime has taken place. Neither is the case. There’s no presumption of anything until something is contested or at stake.

Prince of Tides
Prince of Tides
3 months ago
Reply to  Douglas Wilson

Doug, if the FBI was there, it probably has something to do with your pedophile infestation.

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Prince of Tides
Prince of Tides
3 months ago
Reply to  Douglas Wilson

Nice dodge. Victim group or not, you attract and keep a lot of them. What’s your secret?

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Justin Parris
Justin Parris
3 months ago

lol Dodge? You didn’t ask a question.

Prince of Tides
Prince of Tides
3 months ago
Reply to  Douglas Wilson

I think I know your secret. You promise to marry them off to one of your beautiful young virgins. Lucky girls!

Justin Parris
Justin Parris
3 months ago
Reply to  Douglas Wilson

This is a fun change. I like this Douglas Wilson snark in the comments as well.

Russel Polk
Russel Polk
3 months ago

Oh, please. Although most of us here bat this kind of comment away like an annoying fly. Or laugh at it. “Sorry mister, your gun is out of bullets. Quit pulling the trigger.”

The Commenter Formerly Known As fp
The Commenter Formerly Known As fp
3 months ago
Reply to  Russel Polk

Meanwhile, the groomers at Harvey Milk Elementary say “Hi”.

Cherrera
Cherrera
3 months ago

Yes, if you really want to find pedophiles, look into the Prince of Lies’ religion. From public schools and Pride parades to a scary number of sicko perverts in Antifa/BLM. I mean what are the odds that two of Rittehouse’s three attackers would include a convicted pedophile and domestic abuser? Here’s part of the approved liturgy for the modern religion of totalitarian Great Reset-ism secular democracy. Remind me who’s infested with what?

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Prince of Tides
Prince of Tides
3 months ago
Reply to  Cherrera

Dear Mrs./Mr. Cherrera,

You spend a lot of time on the weirdo sites. One has to wonder why? My guess is that you’re a self-loathing, closeted lesbian or homosexual. That’s not a judgement, just a spot-on observation.

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Cherrera
Cherrera
3 months ago

No, Clay, but you spend inordinate amounts of time accusing others of being pedophiles (classic projection) and quote MoscowID dot Net as it’s authoritative source for anything other than hogwash. According to them, placing a sticker on a pole makes you a “hoodlum roaming the streets” but burning down cities and cop cars doesn’t. Get help.

Prince of Tides
Prince of Tides
3 months ago
Reply to  Cherrera

Ma’am, your cognitive dissonance is a beauty to behold! Have a blessed day.

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Cherrera
Cherrera
3 months ago

Projecting again? The cognitive dissonance is all yours. As a queer ally, I’m sure you wouldn’t call those people “weirdos” at a “diversity” get-together or around the 12 others who showed up at a Biden rally. What does the rainbow flag in that picture represent? Utter perversion or God’s promises? Pick a side.

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Prince of Tides
Prince of Tides
3 months ago
Reply to  Cherrera

My darling little snowflake.

Prince of Tides
Prince of Tides
3 months ago
Reply to  Russel Polk

Easy, Tiger. You’ve got your panties in wad over nothing. If you got out of your religious bubble, you’d realize that Doug’s known far and wide as a friend of pedophiles.

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Jonathan (The Conservative One)
Jonathan (The Conservative One)
3 months ago

Straight-up question, please don’t turn this back at Wilson in your answer:

Do you believe that Jesus Christ can forgive pedophiles and restore them to Christian community as born-again believers?

Prince of Tides
Prince of Tides
3 months ago

Sure. What’s your point?

Straight up questions.

Would you leave your young child with a born again pedophile while you’re on a date night with your wife?

Would you encourage your daughter marry a convicted, born again pedophile?

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Brendon Hill
Brendon Hill
3 months ago

I rarely breeze through the comments but I knew this article would bring out some hilarious comments. You are an exceptional troll. Staking claim to higher intellectual and moral ground while displaying your obvious duplicity and ignorance of you doing so. You ask if I would encourage my daughter to marry a born again pedophile. No I wouldn’t but why can’t someone say yes? Your implication that anyone who says yes is crazy shows your duplicity. You should change your moniker from Prince of Tides to Prince of Pride. Go start your own church. But you can’t because you can’t… Read more »

Cherrera
Cherrera
3 months ago

Sheesh, Clay. Natalie sought Doug’s forgiveness and you’re still going on about this 5 years later? And you’re the one trying to lecture others on what “real Christianity” looks like?
Letters to a Broken Girl | Blog & Mablog (dougwils.com)

Prince of Tides
Prince of Tides
3 months ago
Reply to  Cherrera

Who said anything about a Natalie? I’m thinking of Doug’s star pupil Steven Sitler. Maybe you’ve heard of him?

Doug’s also had some recent pedophile troubles in the church hierarchy.

Maybe you’re ok with that.

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Cherrera
Cherrera
3 months ago

Yes, Clay, you mentioned him in that 2017 comment as well. Got some real monomania going on, don’t you?

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Prince of Tides
Prince of Tides
3 months ago

Still waiting for your straight up answers.

Shoal Creek
Shoal Creek
3 months ago

Projection by the Fed employee/NPC, unless it’s an AI bot. In the latter case, then it’s just programmed to accuse others of the sins of its programmers. I do know it’s one of those just by the stupidity of the repeated posts.

Caleb W
Caleb W
3 months ago

I’m curious as to why the prevailing thought is not that the FBI had a presence to deter anyone who would try to disturb the peace (ie. an active shooter). That is the first thing that would come to my mind if I saw an FBI agent at a crowded party . . .

Jane
Jane
3 months ago
Reply to  Caleb W

That’s police work, not FBI stuff.

Nathan
Nathan
3 months ago

Maybe nobody in the picture is actually a G man, but I do think some need to recalibrate their Fed detectors

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Ben
Ben
3 months ago

maybe the FBI was there to protect you from Antifa or BLM or something?

Cherrera
Cherrera
3 months ago
Reply to  Ben

Yeah, right. Those are their brown shirt pals…or maybe they don’t really exist, like Biden said in the Presidential debate. Cities just get destroyed by mobs to the tune of over $2 billion dollars and hundreds of injured police officers (along with several dozen deaths)….by the mysterious “idea” of Antifa and BLM saints.

Jonas Clark
Jonas Clark
3 months ago

Perhaps they are assessing the capability of their handheld gun detecting magnetometers. You know plenty of folks were packing heat, not because of any possible threat but because EDC is a lifestyle. The FBI is always conducting test runs and maybe they needed a place where they knew there would be a high concentration so they could work on calibrating their instruments to discern “hits” within close proximity of one another.

The Commenter Formerly Known As fp
The Commenter Formerly Known As fp
3 months ago

Defund the FBI. They’ve gotten too big for their britches J. Edgar Hoover’s dress.

Cherrera
Cherrera
3 months ago

Honestly, I don’t know if those stories of Hoover are true, but he at least wrote a good book on communism back in the day. That organization has always been shady and unconstitutional, but it’s scary to think how much worse they probably are now with Maoist indoctrination.

StonedSteven
StonedSteven
3 months ago

What is the point of not mentioning that the deep state is overwhelmingly jewish, and that those people are anti-Christ? Do you get some kind of pass for not mentioning it? If you’re right about the FBI, it seems that’s not the case. Do jewish writers and officials give you preferential treatment? Based on the press you receive, it seems like that’s not it either. Is it some kind of esoteric Christian teaching that you shouldn’t notice an oppositional ethnoreligious group taking over your country and culture? Help me out here, I’ve followed your stuff for a long time, and… Read more »

StonedSteven
StonedSteven
3 months ago
Reply to  Douglas Wilson

Well, that’s fair, many people simply don’t notice jewish names. I can help you out a little with some of the jews in Biden’s cabinet. Some top positions >Antony Blinken State >Janet Yellen Treasury >Merrick Garland AG >Alejandro Mayorkas DHS >Ron Klein WH Chief of Staff Some deputies >Rachel (Richard) Levine Health >David Cohen CIA >Jennifer Klein Gender Policy >Jessica Rosenworcel FCC https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jews-in-the-biden-administration Note that the top law enforcement officers in our government are jewish, and they are explicitly anti-Christ. You may not know that all of Biden’s children married jews. So did Eric and Ivanka Trump. Ivanka presumably renounced… Read more »

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Jonathan (The Conservative One)
Jonathan (The Conservative One)
3 months ago
Reply to  StonedSteven

Stoned Steven,

Wouldn’t it be safe to say that everyone in the “deep state” is anti-Christ, not just the ones that happen to be Jews? There’s nothing in Jewish DNA that causes you to hate God more than any other fallen man. Biden and Obama are anti-Christian, and they aren’t Jewish. So shouldn’t we focus on warning against any and all opposition to Christ, not specifically that coming from Jewish quarters?

StonedSteven
StonedSteven
3 months ago

Because Jews are massively overrepresented in powerful institutions, they engage in ethnocentric behavior, they have a grudge against Christians and Europeans, and because their ideas are generally at the root of the beliefs of many non-jewish anti-Christs. The Frankfurt School, psychology, communism, Marxism (cultural and otherwise), Bolshevism, are all products of jewish thinking, not of Hindu, Muslim, Buddhist, or secular Christian world-views. I’m not saying that all the jews get together and plot their moves, I’m saying that they are raised to believe Jesus is their enemy. Ben Shapiro called Him a troublemaker who got what He deserved. They hold… Read more »

Jonathan (The Conservative One)
Jonathan (The Conservative One)
3 months ago
Reply to  StonedSteven

I absolutely agree with your statement that it is wrong to identify someone by their race and attempt to reduce their share of the population, and these sorts of racist movements are to be opposed, it seems they are best opposed with the Gospel being preached strongly to congregations and shared with individuals, not by preaching against a people group. All your points about how Jewish culture operates can be, again, easily drawn to Islam as well. In fact, Islam is known for being extremely violent and more aggressively anti-Christian too. I agree that we absolutely do not love our… Read more »

StonedSteven
StonedSteven
3 months ago

I’m sure your kids and grandkids will be glad you welcomed non-whites into America so they could be a persecuted minority preaching the Gospel to their oppressors.

No one demands that the Koreans or the Japanese or the Congolese replace themselves, just whites. Didn’t anyone ever teach you that suicide is a sin, even if it’s done as a group?

Armin
Armin
3 months ago
Reply to  StonedSteven

Doug literally says there’s only one race the human race, like, unironically. He’s just a boomer on these types of issues. Move on. The future, from a political standpoint, doesn’t belong to folks like him.

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StonedSteven
StonedSteven
3 months ago
Reply to  Armin

Sad, but likely true. I fear I am already at the limits of what this comment section will tolerate.

Prince of Tides
Prince of Tides
3 months ago
Reply to  StonedSteven

I doubt that.

Jane
Jane
3 months ago
Reply to  StonedSteven

We already know they’re anti-Christ, whether they’re Jewish or not. If you have to delve into their ethno-religious background to figure out whether unbelievers friendly to Marx and hostile to Christianity are anti-Christ, you’re missing the forest for the trees.

StonedSteven
StonedSteven
3 months ago
Reply to  Jane

You don’t have to delve into anything, how much more in your face could their overrepresentation and anti-Christian behavior be? I can appreciate that many people are ignorant of how troublesome jews have been and still are, but when they occupy all the highest roles in the cabinet of a senile president who is clearly not in charge of anything, it is time to take note. If all of those positions were occupied by Chinese or Russians, you wouldn’t say their ethnicity was inconsequential, would you? We can’t ignore this forever, reactions against jewish behavior tend to get pretty extreme… Read more »

Jonathan (The Conservative One)
Jonathan (The Conservative One)
3 months ago
Reply to  StonedSteven

If they were all Chinese or Russians, I would still say their ethnicity was inconsequential. Because what matters is that they are against Christ, not their ethnicity. Christ told us not to show partiality based on such things. The division is Christian/Non Christian, not Chinese/Jewish/European.

What is it that you would have Christian leaders say? What is it they should tell Christians to do about this? It seems to me the obvious direction is tell people to vote for righteous men, not for “non-Jews.”

StonedSteven
StonedSteven
3 months ago

Race and ethnicity are not inconsequential, even between Christians, as a thousand years of European and American history clearly show. You may view that reality as falling short of an ideal, but it doesn’t change the fact that race and ethnicity are real and they matter. I’ll keep it simple, though. Jews can’t be Christians. Once they become Christian, they stop being Jewish, and they stop telling you they are Jewish within a generation. None of the people I listed above would call themselves Christian, because none are. Russians, Chinese, Koreans, English, Pakistanis, Saudis, whatever, all can be Christian, but… Read more »

Ken B
Ken B
3 months ago
Reply to  StonedSteven

I take it you are seeking a final solution to the Jewish problem?

StonedSteven
StonedSteven
3 months ago
Reply to  Ken B

God has a final solution to the Jewish Question. He’s going to send every one of them who don’t convert to Hell for all eternity. I’m looking for a temporal solution in America. People act real smug about this when I bring it up as though they are wise and enlightened on the topic, and I am some newcomer who has never heard of the Holocaust^TM, and they are going to throw a couple of cute gotchas at me and I’ll go away. This is a serious problem. Everyone from Jesus to Luther to us has to deal with it.… Read more »

Prince of Tides
Prince of Tides
3 months ago
Reply to  StonedSteven

Psst, Jesus was a Jew and so were all of his disciples. So was that black Jewish eunuch (look it up) from Ethiopia. You know, the one that Philip baptized in the muddy puddle. Oh yeah, so was Paul, the apostle from Tarsus, not the one from Liverpool. The only Jewish problem we have are the folks like you who want to kill them. But you have come to the right place to meet other like-minded folks who are praying for the final, final solution. I’d be more than happy to introduce you to several of the resident Evil Clowns.… Read more »

StonedSteven
StonedSteven
3 months ago

Accusing me of wanting to kill all the jews when I am plainly arguing that it is our duty as Christians to find an alternative to that is bearing false witness. As for the tired argument regarding the Jesus and the apostles being jews, the term meant something quite different then. As Doug is fond of saying, the past is a foreign country. The modern religion of judaism bears no similarity whatsoever to the religion of Abraham, Moses, Jesus, or the Apostles. These people are not sacrificing animals in synagogues, you know. It is truly tiresome to have people so… Read more »

Prince of Tides
Prince of Tides
3 months ago
Reply to  StonedSteven

Dear Stoned Stephen, I’ve been around your type long enough to read between the lines. “Final solution”, my ass. I simply used your words in my reply. Your posts on this board is full of gleeful hatred. God’s sending everyone one of them to hell? Really? You know that how? How’s this? Yours and Doug Wilson’s version of Christianity bears zero resemblance to Jesus. To Calvin, yes. To Jesus, no. Your knowledge of Judaism from the diaspora to modern day is, to put it kindly, woefully ignorant. Or maybe it’s willful ignorance? You tell me. Oh, I understood the biblical… Read more »

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StonedSteven
StonedSteven
3 months ago

I’m ignorant of modern judaism? They are sacrificing animals according to the Law? Dang, guess I really am ignorant.

And yes, as I said, every one of them that doesn’t convert is headed to Hell.

Prince of Tides
Prince of Tides
3 months ago
Reply to  StonedSteven

Stoned Steve, Try to keep up. Here is what I wrote: Your knowledge of Judaism from the diaspora to modern day is, to put it kindly, woefully ignorant. There was no mention of animal sacrifice. Your posts on this site are extremely anti-semitic. If you don’t know what anti-semitic means, you can look it up in the dictionary. That is if you know how to use one. You show a disdain (you can look that up, too) for Jews and Judaism. You show the the same disdain for people of color. We call that racism. So I guess that makes… Read more »

Cherrera
Cherrera
3 months ago

I don’t agree with Steve’s views, but you have an even bigger problem, Clay. You belong to a denomination cult that’s anti-human and anti-natalist (look it up in the dictionary). Specks and planks and stuff.
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Prince of Tides
Prince of Tides
3 months ago
Reply to  Ken B

Bingo! And Stoned Steven is proud of it.

His temporal solution can be summed up as, “let’s have some pogroms and see what happens.”

Sadly, he’s got more than a couple folks on this site that are praying for the same.

StonedSteven
StonedSteven
3 months ago

More false witness. I’m demanding that pastors address this issue to avoid violence. You can call me all the names you want, you’re the one with the problem.

Jonathan (The Conservative One)
Jonathan (The Conservative One)
3 months ago
Reply to  StonedSteven

StonedSteven, in this case how is it different than people who claim to be Muslims? Obviously a convert from Islam would stop identifying as muslim. It seems that you have, rightly, drawn it back to their spiritual state: A muslim, a hindu, a Jew, or for that matter any one who does not identify with Christianity is an enemy of Christ, and we should seek to prevent them from rising to power over us. But I fail to see why Jews, if they took over the country, present any more threat than any other anti-Christian group, such as muslims. So… Read more »

StonedSteven
StonedSteven
3 months ago

>”But I fail to see why Jews, if they took over the country” They have taken over the country. Muslims haven’t taken over America, and neither have Russians or Chinese. Jews have. I barely scratched the surface of the power they wield in my comments here. As to my statement about a political solution, I am not advocating it, I’m asking for pastors to find a Christian path forward for dealing with this. The political solution has always been the same – demand they leave, and force them to do so by any means necessary when they refuse. People get… Read more »

Prince of Tides
Prince of Tides
3 months ago
Reply to  StonedSteven

I’ll keep it simple, though. Jews can’t be Christians. Once they become Christian, they stop being Jewish, and they stop telling you they are Jewish within a generation.

You know this how? I need to pass this on to my Christian friends that also embrace their Jewishness.

Are you by any chance related to Dave, our resident expert on everything from astrophysics to the mating habits of Zebras?

And you wonder why those who really know you, think you hate Jews. You can count me in that number.

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StonedSteven
StonedSteven
3 months ago

As I pointed out, the number of people who say they are Christian and still claim to be Jewish is vanishingly small, and of no consequence to this discussion.

Prince of Tides
Prince of Tides
3 months ago
Reply to  StonedSteven

Stoned Steve,

When you finish that joint, get back to me with the source for your claim. Please quantify what you determine to be vanishingly small and how you came to that conclusion.

StonedSteven
StonedSteven
3 months ago

There are 14 million jews in the world, and about 350k so-called messianic jews, who explicitly believe that they are special because of their blood, and should not integrate into other Christian churches. That’s about 2.5% of the Jewish population worldwide. They are also not significant in public life. Can you name a messianic Jewish government official, media executive, writer, or even pastor? Totally irrelevant in Christian or secular life, sorry.

Larry S
Larry S
3 months ago

Christians should boycott Israel and support the victims of apartheid Israel.

Larry S
Larry S
3 months ago
Reply to  StonedSteven

Steven, those who take issue with you are afraid someone will call them names. Horrors!

vanyelmoon
vanyelmoon
3 months ago

Christ is the threat to the secular world therefore every Spirit filled Christian is terrifying to them.

Major Chisholm
Major Chisholm
3 months ago

Perhaps this expression of salvation and freedom are the seeds planted to grow in the FBI agents hearts that turn around that organization and their families.

Joshua
Joshua
3 months ago

Douglas, Do you still think your church does not have the right to refuse marriages? When are the gay weddings taking place at Christ church?

Edward
Edward
3 months ago
Reply to  Joshua

gay weddings aren’t weddings. You can’t even say that gay marriage is a vapor, because vapor actually exists.

Jane
Jane
3 months ago
Reply to  Joshua

You don’t refuse to do any instance of a thing. When are you going to start doing something that isn’t an actual thing?

Dave
Dave
3 months ago
Reply to  Joshua

Gentle readers, Joshua attempts to make a point that others have also attempted and failed. Homosexuals wishing to be joined with other homosexuals are not repentant and are not in fellowship with God or the church.

Perhaps the correct answer is when the homosexual repents of that sin, changes lifestyles and lives as God commanded in the Bible.

Prince of Tides
Prince of Tides
3 months ago
Reply to  Dave

Dave, thanks for speaking for God. I’m sure he really appreciates it.

The love you have for your neighbor is truly mind blowing!

I’d like to introduce you to Stoned Stephen down below. It wouldn’t surprise me one bit if you two are related.

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StonedSteven
StonedSteven
3 months ago

You come off as gay and jewish, fyi
Also very feminine

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Prince of Tides
Prince of Tides
3 months ago
Reply to  StonedSteven

Stoned Steven, Are you hitting on me? That’s sweet of you, but alas I’ve been happily married to a wonderful woman for 47 years. What’s wrong with being gay and/or Jewish? Unlike your namesake, you come off as scared and and full of disdain, bordering on hatred for those who are different than you. In other words, a failure as a man. If you’re married, I feel sorry for her. If you have children, I fear for them. I’m sure there was some terrible trauma in your past. I hope you lose your hatred of Jews. I hope you seek… Read more »

Cherrera
Cherrera
3 months ago

What’s wrong with being gay”
If you actually read or believed your Bible instead of a counterfeit progressive religion, you’d know. It’s called an abomination and fully condemned in the OT and NT multiple times. And someone who’s been obsessed with DW and full of snarky rage for at least 10 years telling someone else to get professional help? Wow.

Prince of Tides
Prince of Tides
3 months ago
Reply to  Cherrera

Sweetie,

If I thought it would help you, I’d give a list from both testaments of commands that you blithely skip over because you know it’s BS.

Still waiting for the honeymoon photos.

Justin Parris
Justin Parris
3 months ago

“If I thought it would help you, I’d give a list from both testaments of commands that you blithely skip over because you know it’s BS.” Right, and I’m sure we would all love to play that game with you, were it not for the fact that we’d all done it before with various Atheist trolls, and it all boils down to the same nonsense arguments. You pull up some verse ripped from all context where someone is ordered to do something, and then you attest that this is a command for all people to do for all time. Then,… Read more »

Cherrera
Cherrera
3 months ago

I’m not perfect, but I don’t skip over any commands applicable today. I don’t follow things that were part of the OT ceremonial law, and I certainly don’t follow the commands, liturgy, sacraments or definition of sin found in modern wokeism. All that homoerotic talk is really weird. Better stop before Mrs. (or Mr.?) Crouch finds out.

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Sc
Sc
3 months ago

I am also in federal law enforcement and love Pastor Wilson and Christ Church’s ministry(and still do) and have for years but have concerns about this post. Pastor Wilson saying trust me, I have justification for my remarks but want to protect my sources, is reminiscent of recent fights to release an affidavit. How about give us the redacted version, Pastor Wilson? Second, like it or not, there are plausible, lawful, and righteous reasons for the FBI to be conducting surveillance at your block party. Do we think our Christian community is above reproach, every member? Shouldn’t we invite scrutiny… Read more »

Jane
Jane
3 months ago
Reply to  Douglas Wilson

Thanks. I never questioned the veracity of the claim but I was also uncomfortable with the bare assertion without even the smallest hint of what actually happened.

Cherrera
Cherrera
3 months ago
Reply to  Sc

“… there are plausible, lawful, and righteous reasons for the FBI to be conducting surveillance at your block party. Do we think our Christian community is above reproach, every member?”

As someone who took an oath of office to support and defend the Constitution, you may want to seriously rethink your support of a surveillance state. That’s the ultimate law of the land (Rom. 13). If you read the founders, it’s pretty clear they didn’t want spooks in the shadows of church get-togethers and block parties.

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Dave
Dave
3 months ago
Reply to  Sc

SC, which agency do you work with?

Cherrera
Cherrera
3 months ago
Reply to  Dave

It’s odd that two people who have never commented here before (as far as I know) respond within a few hours of DW’s post and claim to be Fed law enforcers. And one of them talks about how much he likes DW and his church…but they should be perfectly fine with 3-letter boys spying on them…cause lawful or plausible or something. I don’t want to say glowies, but, well, glowies, maybe? I’m glad DW posted about this. Even if he’s wrong, I’m sure he had some basis for suspecting them. While Thomas Jefferson may not have really said “When governments… Read more »

Alwyn Swanepoel
Alwyn Swanepoel
3 months ago

A footnote on Von Balthasar. Just this weekend read from an intro to his work, that his book on Karl Barth was in effect a book on how De Lubac mostly did it better. For those few who might find this interesting. And granting that you only meant to point out a great title in pointing to a liberated feast. Best regards.

Guy
Guy
3 months ago

reminds me of something:
Thou preparest a table before me in the presence of mine enemies:
Thou anointest my head with oil; my cup runneth over.

Les
Les
3 months ago

I just had someone tell me an amazing story tonight of God using very surprising means to lead then to repent and believe. I pray God will use the FBI agent attending an event full of joyful, singing, gospel-proclaiming Christians to bring him to saving faith.

Ben Smith
Ben Smith
3 months ago

Pray for the opponent’s and surveiller’s salvation, and for the believer’s faithfulness and faithful work before our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

Prince of Tides
Prince of Tides
3 months ago

But when we are dealing with young children who are abused by adults (pederasty, child porn, etc.) the penalty for those guilty of the crime should be death. 
 Douglas Wilson

That is, unless you can marry them to an innocent young woman.

Doug, your own words are enough to condemn you as a fraud. I’m sure your seminary professors would take issue with your duplicity. Oh wait, you didn’t attend a seminary did you.

What’s next? Plagiarism?

Prince of Tides
Prince of Tides
3 months ago
Reply to  Douglas Wilson

“And until that day arrives, we are to do what is best for everyone concerned.” Get the marbles out of your mouth. By everyone, you mean Doug and Sitler. Of course we don’t execute convicted peodphiles. But neither do you marry a convicted pedophile to a young woman. By doing so you consigned her and her child to a life no woman deserves. Your attempt here to square that circle shows your utter lack of human decency. Verbs aside, since you failed at your attempt to graduate from seminary, the basis of your complaint is pretty much a difference without… Read more »

Prince of Tides
Prince of Tides
3 months ago

Looking forward to hearing from Doug’s enablers!

Cherrera
Cherrera
3 months ago

You’re still at it, Clay Crouch? You have way too much time on your hands. Maybe you should take up knitting and playing bridge.

Prince of Tides
Prince of Tides
3 months ago
Reply to  Cherrera

And right on cue. Pot, meet kettle.