Maybe Letters Will Flatten the Curve

You posted a useless statistic to muddy the waters, then acknowledged that some people would call you out on it, so you posted more useless stats with no comparisons to further muddy the waters, and then vaguely claimed “the per capita numbers are comparable everywhere.”

I pointed out quite clearly that no, the per capita numbers are not comparable, Idaho’s per capita deaths are almost 200% larger than Oregon and Washington. Played out across the country, it would be like the difference between 500,000 people dying and 900,000 people dying.

Nice try Doug. That that might fool your flock, but the rest of us see through your shell game.

Demo, when people have that different calculus, despite all the evidence to the contrary, then there is no other conclusion: They are deluded and/or evil.

As a particularly egregious example, when policy-makers tell everyone else to mask up or face consequences, then turn right around and party maskless, there is no way to describe that level of hypocrisy as anything other than evil.

Those who believe these hypocritical leaders are acting in our best interest are deluded.

And if acknowledging obvious truths offends your delicate sensibilities, then your priorities are out of whack.

FP has the same problem as Justin, poor reading comprehension and an inability to make a case. He thinks his comments are facts and expects us to bow down to his secret knowledge from on high. If it weren’t for the fact we are dealing with life and death issues, it would be laughable. He reminds me of that timid man behind the curtain who pretends to be The Great and Powerful OZ. Your willingness to accept more deaths and more risks for “more freedom” is troubling. More freedom to do what? We are asked to get vaccinated and to… Read more »

Willie has the same problem as Jonathan, poor reading comprehension and an inability to make a case. He thinks his comments are facts and expects us to bow down to his secret knowledge from on high. If it weren’t for the fact that we’re dealing with an eminently survivable disease, it would be laughable. He reminds me of that timid man behind the curtain who pretends to be The Great and Powerful OZ.

Now, to have fun watching Willie shoot himself in the foot because, like his daddy, he just can’t stand being mocked.

If you’re talking about the same article I read, his models seemed to ignore so many relevant factors that I have trouble seeing how he ended up with concrete numbers. To isolate three of the largest issues: 1. Scott suggests that lockdown states did about 20% better than non-lockdown states from what seems to be just a raw comparison. He just tossed aside the fact that blue states are much different from red states in terms of Covid transmission risks to a degree that makes such a unqualified comparison impossible (the reasoning Scott gave for ignoring confounding variables was poor… Read more »

The fact that he completely dismissed confounding variables of population density and demographics (and didn’t even mention different climate, testing, and tallying practices) is a huge shortcoming.

The European data suffered from the same issue as the US data – Scott rightly noting that lockdown-lite Sweden performed very dramatically worse than every other “Scandanavian” country around it, but then partially dismissed that result with quite unrelated data rather than considering that the direct Sweden-to-Finland/Norway/Denmark/Iceland comparisons are very likely to be the most accurate measure, full stop.

Yup, and there were unnecessary aspects early on, like closing beaches and trails or keeping more restrictions on restaurants/businesses than necessary. And I think the the schools “should” have gone back to full-time earlier, though whether this was feasible considering the differing demands of all stakeholders (especially teachers and parents) is another question.

But as you point out, not locking down urban areas at all in the worst of the peak would have been disastrous for the health care system.

Jill, California, LA in this case, is similar to Idaho. The governors could have activated their disaster chain of command and received help without any problem and no risk of hospitals or morgues being overrun. Idaho didn’t ask for out of state help until this year and then only a tiny bit because Governor Little was on the hot seat for crying wolf. LA had USNS Mercy docked there with a complement of over 800 medical professionals. They treated 77 folks. 77. It was all political. NYC, Houston, Seattle and other places had Corps of Engineer hospitals set up and… Read more »

Dr. Dave, the building of those temporary hospitals was in 2020, during the reign of Donald Trump. The greatest president, ever!! Don’t take my word for it, just ask anyone storming the Capitol on Jan.6, 2021. Or Doug.

Jill, I don’t dispute the timing. The problem is that Newsome wouldn’t use the resources at his disposal. If he had asked for Mercy to remain in LA and actually used that ship’s facilities, the problem would have been minimal instead of the mess that he created. If Newsome wanted ICU beds and staff to take care of patients, all he had to do was ask. But, Newsome didn’t. Under America’s emergency management system, there are a multitude of resources available to prevent problems from being huge problems. Most of the politicians don’t know or care to use those emergency… Read more »

Dave, after Mercy departed in May it was sent to Portland for a major maintenance overall including the addition of a new flight deck, and it was still unavailable when the next surge hit. So your claim that Newsome could have just used the ship again is factually inaccurate.

https://news.usni.org/2021/01/05/hospital-ship-usns-mercy-tied-up-in-maintenance-cant-deploy-for-covid-relief

Jonathan, the Corps of Engineers built several full service ICU type hospitals for various cities around the US. Just like Comfort and Mercy, they were essentially unused. If a sufficient request and capability is needed, ships magically sail out of dry dock. Airplanes are rerouted. Personnel are moved overnight. Been there. Done that. “I also ask that you call on our federal partners to bring back the USNS Mercy with accompanying medical staff to the Port of Los Angeles.” LA Supervisor Hahn Newsome had all sorts of options. In the Emergency Management system, you are supposed to ask for a… Read more »

Dave, there was never that particular type of need that the massive expenditure and time commitment of building a new hospital on the spot would have sorted. Temporary facilities were indeed used in various ways in emergency situations, with many of the same shortcomings that a temporary Corps facility would have had. But the greatest issue was simple manpower at every level of the process and there were massive efforts to distribute medical manpower across the nation to places of greatest need. In many respects California was handling it better than most, even with the great suffering involved. Despite being… Read more »

He posted unhelpful stats, then mockingly created an opponent who would call him out on it, so he then followed with further unhelpful stats. Not once making a comparison of like to like.

It’s just rhetorical junk. Why post it in the first place if you know it’s invalid? And how is acknowledging someone will call you out considered a sufficient defense, when he never justified posting the first #’s nor followed up with any actual meaningful comparisons?

I didn’t misrepresent the situation Justin. And I note this is virtually the exact interpretive error you made when Demo, Will, myself, and others have called you out before. I have no idea what you consider Doug’s “real argument”. Saying that Idaho was 37th in deaths was his real argument. Saying that Massachusetts had a high per-capita death rate was his real argument. Listing a huge string of stats for California that made no obvious point was his real argument. Exactly how much of all that do you expect me to quote? I wanted to point out, quite clearly, that… Read more »

I certainly don’t think everyone who visits this blog needs to fact check everything that Wilson writes. I would prefer that he simply did that himself. But he has shown zero desire to do so, and instead has posted a steady stream of misinformation on numerous topics, as many, many people have called him out for.

If you don’t want to factcheck him, feel free not to. But don’t complain when someone else does it for you. I suspect that posting correct information is somewhat more Biblical than posting falsehoods.

Sam: “You act like everyone that visits this blog needs you to fact check everything that Wilson writes.”

Contentious Woman: “I certainly don’t think everyone who visits this blog needs to fact check everything that Wilson writes.”

Hey, Big Drip: Would it kill you, for once in your miserable life, to knock it off with misrepresenting what other people say? After all, I suspect that posting correct information is somewhat more Biblical than posting falsehoods.

Sorry FP, I missed the “you”. That was an unintentional error and made no difference to absolutely anything that proceeded after it.

I suggest you return to last week’s rant, where on 4 different occasions you made false claims which I corrected with proof. You even claimed that I wouldn’t be able to cite the exact proof, and when I did so, you ran away.

I suggest everyone take a look – just search for “FP” and you’ll see what transpired every time.

https://dougwils.com/books-and-culture/s7-engaging-the-culture/sincerely-yours-november.html#comments

Talk about posting a steady stream of misinformation.

Get a job, Jonathan. It’s apparent you have nothing better to do than to beat dead horses — and the devil is having a field day with your idle hands.

That would be another false claim on your part. I already linked the evidence for my claim – just go to the link and search for the FP phrases

“by one person”
“where’s the citation”
“bunch of hot air”
“this thing ain’t a vaccine”
“you yourself admitted this thing ain’t a vaccine”
“I didn’t make that claim”
“Ken B admitted it isn’t”
“by definition, the coronavirus shot isn’t a vaccine”
“talk out your rump”

For every one of those FP comments, you can scroll down and see him proven wrong with clear evidence.

Jonathan, did you ever find scripture that allows the government to take from one and give to someone else who isn’t working?

The only example I can find is in Genesis 41. That was for a one time event, the foretold seven years famine. It was not for a long lasting system.

Neither you nor Demo have been able to show scripture allowing/authorizing the government to steal from one and give to another.

Always with the meaningless deflections on subjects literally no one was talking about even then…

Did you ever find Scripture that allows people to set up a monetary system at all? Or vote for a secular leader? To build roads, or process fecal waste?

As has been pointed out to you, modern Christians including the Reformers have felt that provisions for the poor could be a legitimate function of government. Even the ones you tried to cite as examples in your defense turned out to be on our side on this issue, Dave, and you ignored that.

Jonathan, as was pointed out by the reformers and plenty of others — Run to the Bible not to man’s faulty judgement. It is not a legitimate use of government funds to steal from those who work and giver to those who do not work. Never mind the reformers, LBJ or your own thoughts. It is not scriptural. Run to the Bible. Explain why you think a verse is to your point. You cut and paste without any explanation of your thoughts on why a particular verse backs up your interpretation. You can’t find a verse to support your position… Read more »

lol – none of those come remotely close to proving that federal governments should mint money and run elections, they aren’t even remotely simlilar situations. If you’re going to go with those verses, then I could easily use Deuteronomy 14:28 and Deuteronomy 26:12 to support programs for the poor. Who are you even trying to convince?

And I’ll also point out, again, that this is a deflection on top of a deflection – literally NO ONE was talking about government programs for the poor except for you bringing them up.

Jonathan, last week we were talking about government programs and didn’t get to finish the discussion.

Both of your Deuteronomy verses concern the tithe. Tithing is for the church and taking care of the poor is a church responsibility, not a government responsibility.

This isn’t deflection, but discussion. What say you now to the government stealing from one who works to give to one who doesn’t work?

No “we” weren’t talking about government programs yesterday. I was talking about the responsibility of churches and christians to care for the poor and how we should preach about it from the Word, and you tried to derail the conversation and deflect into “but government!” even though the government wasn’t the topic of the conversation at all. So this is the 2nd consecutive week that you’ve attempted to derail the ongoing conversation with your own issue. And the tithe WAS for the government in the day of Israel. It’s hypocritical to claim that Deuteronomy 25 applies to secular government but… Read more »

Jonathan, please read a bit more in the passages before bashing me. Taking care of the poor is the responsibility of churches and Christians. But don’t miss how scripture tells us to take care of the poor in your haste to correct America. Run to the Bible first. There must be understanding of how God told us to do things before we run off the cliff by missing building the bridge across the chasm first. Tithe  “that you shall take some of the first of all the produce of the ground which you bring in from your land that the… Read more »

You ignored yet again that my question was about voting. Which isn’t in your passages at all. And again, I wasn’t discussing government either this week or next. You pursued that deflection on your own. If you wish to comment on the actual topic I was talking about last week, feel free to do so there. Or this week, feel free to do so here. In terms of your own pursuit here, Israeli government never had the secular/holy divide you are trying to insert into it. The law that governed the judges was the exact same law that governed the… Read more »

“that you shall take some of the first of all the produce of the ground which you bring in from your land that the Lord your God gives you, and you shall put it in a basket and go to the place where the Lord your God chooses to establish His name. And you shall go to the priest who is in office at that time and say to him, ‘I declare today to the Lord my God that I have entered the land which the Lord swore to our fathers to give us.’ Then the priest shall take the… Read more »

You ignored Deuteronomy 14 again.

I don’t understand your last paragraph at all. What do you mean I “don’t have an answer”? I’ve talked about this in excruciating detail on this blog and practiced it in real life myself.

Jonathan, the last portion of Deuteronomy is concerning the tithe. -Eat the tithe at the place where the Lord has chosen -If the Lord’s chosen place is too far, exchange the tithe for silver, then go to the place the Lord chose, use the silver to buy the feast and eat it there. -On the third year, the tithe is used to store food for Levites, foreigners, the fatherless and widows so they may eat. All of this is the tithe. You want to talk about the poor. Where does the discussion began? -How should we take care of the… Read more »

No Dave, it doesn’t. Because in the initial conversation, I was talking about Scripture, very specifically, in terms of what Jesus commanded us as our personal responsibilities with wealth and possessions and how the early church carried that out in Acts, the letters of James and Paul, and beyond. And you completely ignored everything I brought from the Bible to instead pursue your own political agenda about government even though that had nothing to do with the discussion. And even now, you keep claiming that you want to go to Scripture, but instead of discussing the actual Scriptures you’re bringing… Read more »

Still flogging this dead horse?

You need to get more than a job — you need to get a life.

So, you really don’t care if Wilson is not telling the truth as long as he tells you what you want to hear? How sad for you and great for him.

Since he has the habit of leading from the rear, it shouldn’t surprise you that he and his family have probably been fully vaccinated.

If you don’t think he is telling the truth, why would you frequent his blog? Are you trying to save us poor uninformed Christians from Mr. Wilson?

Also, it appears you may be making accusations that you cannot prove, which last time I checked was a violation of the 9th commandment.

Meanwhile, brainwashed people like Ken B make idiotic claims such as “The virus is making sure that the extreme right are disproportionately losing their lives” — why, it’s the first politically-aware virus in history! — and you and your fellow co-religionist Jonathan the drippy contentious woman are dead silent. Kinda hard to take you seriously when you’re very selective in what you criticize. The “science”, such as it is, is FAR from settled on this matter. It doesn’t help when your lord and savior, Dr. Anthony “I Represent Science!” Fauci flip-flops all over the place. The more he mugs for… Read more »

Jilly, I think it would be clear to a reader much less intelligent than you that nobody is deciding not to get the clot shot to “own the libs”. That is childish logic. People are weighing the risks, which vary from person to person, and making the decision they judge best for themselves. Also from the article, “the virus has killed about 47 out of every 100,000 people.” That’s 0.047%. In other words, the drooling idiots in charge locked down the country, destroyed the economy, and shredded the Constitution for a virus that is 99.953% survivable — at worst. Fear… Read more »

I think even a “drooling idiot” could see that your 0.047% claim was solely for the 2 months from late June to late September. The total Covid death toll is over 500% higher than that. Not sure if that was a reading comprehension issue on your part or purposeful deception – both are believable.

And before you do your typical “fill a comment with insults to cover that you’re the one who messed up”, go back to last week and apologize for the 4 other times you made a false statement towards me that I proved wrong with citations.

https://dougwils.com/books-and-culture/s7-engaging-the-culture/sincerely-yours-november.html#comments

“I think even a “drooling idiot” could see that your 0.047% claim…”

Jonathan, read very carefully, because you need to get this through your thick skull:

I DID NOT MAKE THE CLAIM.

Yet again, you are the one who messed up. You often attribute to me claims I did not make. I’d call you an imbecile, but that would be an insult to imbeciles.

These were your exact words:

In other words, the drooling idiots in charge locked down the country, destroyed the economy, and shredded the Constitution for a virus that is 99.953% survivable — at worst.

That was completely nonsensical. You took the # of people who died in 3 months and suggested everyone else had survived while ignoring all the people who died before and after that.

Also worth noting that no one this July/August/September was “destroying the economy” or “shredding the constitution”.

And note that I’m able to specifically back up my claims.

Are you naturally this stupid, or does it take work? “…your 0.047% claim…” Derived from the article, which stated, “the virus has killed about 47 out of every 100,000 people.” 47/100,000*100 = 0.047%. 100%-0.047%=99.953% That’s simple math, Jonathan. If you’re having difficulty with the concept, there are remedial classes for that. “That was completely nonsensical.” Your pathetic handwaving is completely nonsensical. Resorting to such blatant fallacies is a sure sign of a weak argument — and a weak mind. “Also worth noting that no one this July/August/September was ‘destroying the economy’ or ‘shredding the constitution’. Worth noting is that, according… Read more »

For the 2nd time in a row, you purposely omit “since late June” from that sentence, for an article written in September. Claiming the virus had a “survival rate of 99.953%” while only counting the people who died between the end of June and September is ridiculous.

And no, high inflation in October hasn’t “destroyed the economy”, and not even you believe that October’s inflation is primarily the result of anti-Covid measures in July. The main reason for inflation is because consumer spending is at record highs, which is sort of the opposite of what happens in a “destroyed economy”.

“For the 2nd time in a row, you purposely omit ‘since late June’…” So what? I know this is hard for you to understand, but it wasn’t germane to my point. I am under no obligation to mention it, your pathetic sniveling notwithstanding. It’s not my fault you’re sporting such a severe rectal-cranial inversion you can’t follow discussion threads. And for the third time in a row, the 99.953% number was derived FROM THE ARTICLE. Stop licking the windows of the short bus and pay attention. If you have a problem with the number, then take it up with the… Read more »

No, that number was not derived from the article. They listed the # who died over 3 months, they never represented that as meaning everyone else survived while just ignoring the other 15 months of the pandemic.

If I had quoted the deaths of just 3 months and claimed that everyone else had survived the virus, you would have been all over me claiming I was a liar. At first you might have admitted that you simply made a mistake, but the manner in which you continue to double down is showing your true colors to everyone.

“No, that number was not derived from the article.”

For your next trick, you’ll deny that water is wet. From the article: “The virus has killed about 47 out of every 100,000 people.” –> 47/100,000*100 = 0.047%. 100%-0.047%=99.953%

Like I said before, the three month period isn’t germane to my point. You’re obsessing over a minor detail to the point where the men in the white coats should come and take you away.

Again, you’re not adding anything to this thread. It’s obnoxious. Knock it off.

FP, yesterday there were 1,569 deaths from Covid. That means the virus is 99.99952% survivable!

Wait, that means in an hour there were only about 65 deaths. That means the virus is 99.99998% survivable!

Do you see how arbitrary and stupid those claims would be? You can’t just take the number of people who died in an arbitrarily small period and then claim everyone else survived the pandemic. You solely counted the deaths over 3 months and ignored the other 15 months of the pandemic when you claimed everyone else survived. You not fooling anyone, not even yourself.

Those claims are FROM THE ARTICLE. The time period was FROM THE ARTICLE.

It was THE ARTICLE that tried to make the case that people are dying all over the place just to “own the libs”. It was THE ARTICLE’S own numbers that undercut it’s premise — numbers which, by the way, were from the New York Times.

All I did was make an observation. So, why on God’s green earth are you obsessing over a minor point? Or is it that you enjoy being a drippy contentious woman?

Those claims were about the death toll over a specific small period, not the total. The author never removed that time period from the sentence like you did. He didn’t try to claim that everyone else had survived, like you did.

And your claim that the death toll was similar to the flu was a lie. Very few die of the flu during that same period.

Who are you trying to convince? Everyone can see who you are. You took the death toll during a tiny period and tried to falsely portray that those were the only people who died.

Again, because you’re not firing on all cylinders: The time period is immaterial to my point. If anything, the fact that THE ARTICLE included the time period further erodes their premise. “You took the death toll during a tiny period and tried to falsely portray that those were the only people who died.” And you wonder why your credibility is in the toilet. I looked at the article’s premise — which is the same as Kenny B’s premise — wherein the “unvaccinated” are dying to “own the libs”, and, using their own numbers, destroyed their premise. The time frame is… Read more »

The article included the time period because the article was speaking about the events specifically within that time period. The article wasn’t trying to make false claims about the entire pandemic like you did.

How the heck are smash-and-grab looters or Texas antifa “my people” any more than they’re your people?

If you wish to seriously follow God’s word, then feel free to join in on discussions of how to follow God’s word. I have them often here. Instead, you primarily appear concerned with pushing partisan political spin and trying to trash the character of other posters.

Spud, when talk about violence, you have zero credibility. Your people attacked the US Capitol.

It’s obvious the TCFKAfp doesn’t know how to express himself or make an argument without resorting to name calling and insults. When confronted with facts, he rants are raves like a spoiled 3 year old. You’re not going to be able to reason with a pseudo-intellectual who thinks he’s the smartest guy in the room.

But, in his sad, lonely kind of way, he’s actually funny.

Jilly, I’m well aware that Nolte and Breitbart are considered conservative.

Nevertheless, it is an idiotic claim. However, I found it interesting that they undercut their own premise — indeed, they undercut the whole raison d’être for panicky jabbing, with the low death numbers.

Numbers which they got from the New York Times, BTW.

Another problem with Nolte’s premise is that those who’ve chosen not to take the shot don’t fit neatly within ideological lines. For example, a larger proportion of blacks and PhDs have declined the shot — not exactly bastions of rock-ribbed conservatism there.

Jilly, This is why I like you. We’re having a civil discussion here. No need for hostilities because no one’s trying for silly gotchas. Meaningful contributions are happening on both sides. You mentioned that young people are not convinced that they need the shot. According to the CDC (if their numbers are to be believed), the total number of COVID deaths from 1/1/2020 to 12/4/2021 (almost a two year period) for those aged 18-29 years is 4,700. That’s right: Four thousand, seven hundred. Over a 23-month period. As a point of comparison, all-cause deaths for the same group over the… Read more »

FP is only about half right. I suppose that’s a slight improvement.

https://www.usnews.com/news/health-news/articles/2021-07-27/whos-most-likely-to-refuse-a-covid-vaccine

As usual, I’m all the way right. From ABC News, “Why some US Blacks and Latinos remain COVID-19 ‘vaccine deliberate'” [‘vaccine deliberate’ being nothing more than a silly euphemism for ‘vaccine hesitant’], Sept 7, 2021: Much has been made about people of color being hesitant to get a COVID-19 vaccine. Numbers have shown that Black and Latino vaccination rates are lagging behind those of white people in America.About 40% of Black people and 45% of Latinos have been at least partially vaccinated as of Aug. 16, compared to 50% of white people, according to the latest data by the Kaiser… Read more »

Demo, I’m laughing so hard my eyes are watering. You and Will can’t even agree on which half I’m right about.

Which just goes to show that I’m completely right.

Demo, watching you and Willie trip all over each other to deny credit where it’s due is extremely entertaining. Your clownish antics never fail to amuse.

But I gotta ask: When did you go fully post-truth? Go back and read what I wrote. I never claimed PhDs are the most vaccine-resistant group. That came from Willie’s link.

You, Jonathan, and Willie are so blinded by partisan hate that you can’t even attribute claims properly. But if you want me to continue to laugh at your ineptitude, then please, by all means, keep going.

Demo: “I also never claimed, nor disputed, that PhDs were the ‘most vaccine-resistant group.'” Never said you claimed it. But you did say, “But the idea that PhD are most hesitant is BS.” Looks like disputing that particular claim to me. And it wasn’t even my claim! It’d be nice if you’d track with the conversation. Unrelenting hostility. Ha! That line about going “fully post-truth” came straight from you, Demo. Perhaps if you were more fair-minded towards those with whom you disagree politically, you might see a little less of your own hostility thrown back at you. You’ll note that… Read more »

Jill, as a note, if you look at the various court cases in play right now, the courts are leaning toward any mandatory jab as unconstitutional.

Maybe, the decisions will actually follow our US Constitution and state constitutions as mandatory jabs are not anywhere close to being constitutional.

Do you think Washington mandated vaccines for his troops one year and then thought it was a violation of basic rights that needed to be curtailed the next? The constitutionality of vaccine mandates in general was already tested and confirmed by the courts in 1905 and 1922.

https://constitutioncenter.org/blog/current-constitutional-issues-related-to-vaccine-mandates

That does not, of course, mean that every mandate is legit. But even Pastor Wilson said before the pandemic that vaccine mandates and forcing the unvaccinated to follow certain rules is not tyranny.

Where do you get the idea that I support totalitarianism? Being to the left of Trump does not make you a communist. With “Christians” like this, who needs Satanists? Satan is the accuser of the brethren, which is what you are doing here. Ironic. I read your link. There is no intention of introducing forced vaccination (Impfzwang) as the article claimed, but a duty to be vaccinated (Impfpflicht). No-one is going to be grabbed by the police, tied to a chair and vaccinated. The sanctions to be used are fines, which may lead to prison in Austria. The extra restrictions… Read more »

Sam, why do I frequent this blog? Because I find it unconscionable that someone who claims to be a pastor would day after day, year after year, post misinformation. Doubly so for matters of life and death. He needs pushback on things he writes.

Suppositions are not the same as accusations. Look it up.

And gossiping Will is gossiping Will.

Dave, if spreading negative claims about someone every chance you get isn’t gossiping, then what is? You’re just arbitrarily slurring him almost every week he posts and you don’t even provide context or evidence, you just throw out the slur.

It’s ironic that in your efforts to constantly smear Will, you’ve settled on performing the exact action you accuse him of.

Jonathan, I point out that Will is a gossiper because he is. If you remember, he pushed web sites that are known to be inaccurate concerning what really occurs in Moscow. He calls them truthful, which they are not. When you pass on juicy tidbits to confuse or muddy the situation, you are gossiping. “So, you really don’t care if Wilson is not telling the truth as long as he tells you what you want to hear? How sad for you and great for him.” Will Jonathan, Will is one who disrupts using gossip. And no, pointing out that Will… Read more »

Dave,

Just because you say they are “untruthful tidbits”, doesn’t make it so. As Jonathan and others have pointed out, you have a poor record when it comes to facts. So much so, that one might come to the conclusion that either you are unable to discern fact from fiction, or you are deliberately doing the very thing you accuse me of doing.

Since you brought it up, I would welcome your rebuttal to moscowid’s documented accounts of Wilson’s behavior.

Will, when you visit Moscow, let me know and we will sit down and deconstruct the falsehoods in that particular website. In the same manner that Pravda mixed fact and fiction, that website does the same.

Visit Moscow and I will show you the documents that are not published. Plan for several days to see how the truth was destroyed. That is if you are really concerned with truth rather than falsehoods.

Dave, why should I have to visit you in Moscow so you can show me these “unpublished documents”? Given your propensity for posting unfounded claims, that’s a dodge that leads me to think that you really don’t have any secret documents that refutes moscowid’s evidence. Over the past weeks you have called me gossiper multiple times and made outrageous claims on multiple subjects without a shred of evidence to back them up. That does not engender confidence it your ability to be truthful. If you are really serious, then share these secret documents right here in the comment section. Your… Read more »

Will, because there is too much to post in a comment section.

Come to Moscow. I take care of the coffee and the meals.

Dave, your creditability is so suspect, that if I lived the next town over, I wouldn’t waste my time visiting with you. I can imagine the reams of paper that you have collected are more of the same bunk you have been commenting on for years. For the love of Doug, please get some help.

Claiming “But I can say it because he is!” is the refuge of the gossiper. Most gossipers believe what they’re saying is true when they say it.

You try to hurt Will’s reputation with some version of “Will is a gossiper!” every week that he posts, without context or connection to the topic. If you understood why gossip is wrong and hate it as much as you claim, why would you act that way?

p.s. – do you view your own false allegations about Clinton to be different? Or was that gossip okay, because you thought it was true?

Jonathan, you didn’t watch the Rose Garden speech. I did.

That is not a false allegation.

The “Rose Garden” speech doesn’t exist, Dave. You can’t claim there was a national broadcast of the president having a deeply embarrassing moment on television in the 1990s and yet Dave from Moscow is the only one who ever saw it, with zero record of the event in any conservative media anywhere.

It was an internet joke you read so many times that you began to believe it yourself. The joke has been debunked in numerous places, and not one Republican in government or media has come forward to dispute that.

“. . . since I have a degree in biophysics, have worked in the field, and have published papers in both science and education including one I’m currently working on. I work with data almost every day.” Jonathan below Why should I believe your statement? Perhaps you just made it up to bolster your opinions. After all, you pontificate and can’t follow a worldly discussion to the end or for that matter defend scripture in a brotherly manner. Jonathan, you lack Christian charity. You claim that we should love our brothers, yet you can’t believe an eye witness. As for… Read more »

Dave, why are you challenging my credentials, and not Cherrera’s, considering it was he who originally claimed he had expertise and I didn’t? If you wish I’ll send a picture of my transcript to one of the other commenters or give a short description of an obscure topic in biophysics (like obtaining subsurface optical imagery of embryotic development inside the egg), but I doubt you actually care.

Double-standard much?

Jonathan, I am pointing out your uncharitable manners. Why should I believe your claims of degrees, articles published and years of work in a particular field? Why? You said you had all those things. Why should anyone believe you?

My credibility is fine and I have a good name. I have decades of honest work so that even the individuals who hate me for telling the truth or pointing out problems or illegal activity will say that I trustworthy.

Jonathan, when you disregard other Christian’s posts in the manner you do, you show extreme arrogance and extreme uncharitable manners.

You don’t have to believe anything I say. But if you really want I’ll email Jilly a copy of my transcript or an article my university published about my career or anything else you consider proof, if that would get you to stop ranting about a meaningless point.

And Dave, it’s not just me, literally no one here believes you saw Clinton give a national speech where he said he would eliminate cattle guards to save money. Because everyone other than you knows that it’s an internet joke and the speech never existed.

Here’s another conservative source, Dave:

the Billings Gazette, in a spectacular spoof, created the story of how President Clinton, incensed by opposition to his stand on grazing, learned there were 100,000 cattle guards in the state of Colorado…

Enthusiastic editors, entranced by the story and either unwilling or uninterested in verifying the facts, reported the revelation as accurate. In truth, there is no evidence President Clinton ever ordered the firing of the cattle guards, a discovery which almost is disappointing.

But then, as often happens with gossip and tall tales, fact generally is a sorry substitute for fiction.

https://www.eastoregonian.com/george-murdock-jpg/image_6bd0cffa-07f1-11ea-8535-efea51c2ff21.html

Incredibly, you can look online and read 50 different versions of the joke, and NONE of them involve Clinton giving a speech at the Rose Garden on C-SPAN. In the versions that get passed around, he went to Bruce Babbitt and ordered him to do it (who would have known better, being from a ranching family and all).

So the stuff about it being on TV, taking place at the Rose Garden, C-SPAN making excuses and cutting away to other programming….all of that was made up in your own imagination to give weight to the story.

And refusing to accept an obvious falsehood just because someone claims to be an eyewitness isn’t “lacking Christian charity”, it’s exhibiting basic discernment. You’re not claiming to have witnessed a private event, you’re claiming that President Clinton made a deeply embarrassing speech about “cattle guards” on national television. And yes, the fact-checkers all point out that it’s just an urban legend that has been repeated for multiple presidents, but I don’t need the fact-checkers to know you’re wrong. All I need is that NOT A SINGLE RIGHT-WING MEDIA OUTLET OR POLITICIAN made fun of the speech at the time. If… Read more »

Here’s one link you could have used Dave, pointing out Obama and Biden have been the butt of the same joke:

https://www.jacksonville.com/story/news/nation-world/2010/12/20/fact-check-obama-calls-firing-50000-inanimate-cattle-guards/15920950007/

“The Pinedale Roundup, Pinedale, Wyo., in its Feb. 16 edition became the latest newspaper in the Intermountain West to fall for a joke originated in the Billings Gazette last fall. Gary Svee, opinion editor for the Billings Gazette, said the paper ran the item last year in a section reserved each Friday for puns and jokes.

I think it says something of a level of arrogance that Dave won’t just admit that he fell for an internet joke, but has doubled-down for four years insisting he saw the event live and even changing multiple aspects of the original joke in ways that are completely unique to Dave from Moscow and not known anywhere else on Earth. And it says a lot about what we can trust of Dave’s eyewitness claims, which he repeatedly uses to contradict the reality every else can verify for themselves. Dave’s original claim: Finally, Jonathan is showing his true colors that cannot… Read more »

I’m wondering if Dave has some some serious mental issues.

“He compared Fauci to Joseph Mengele…”

I’m sure when your comrades on the left endlessly compared Trump to Hitler, you were right there, admonishing them that there is a “deeper problem at work than legitimate questioning of government policy”, weren’t you Ken B?

Comparisons to Hitler, if serious, are usually silly. I would compare Trump with Mussolini …

I am not of the political left. The pandemic is primarily a medical issue and not one of party politics.

When you see on the telly rightist anti-vaxxers crowding around a government minister’s private house, with a view to intimidation, in a torch light procession, something invented by Hitler’s SA, you know James White and those who comment like him have lost the plot.

The virus is making sure that the extreme right are disproportionately losing their lives.

“I would compare Trump with Mussolini…”

Now when someone does that, you know there is a deeper problem at work than legitimate questioning of govt covid policy.

And yes, you are of the political left. Your own words betray you: “When you see… rightist anti-vaxxers”, “the virus is making sure that the extreme right are disproportionately losing their lives.”

Ergo, this pandemic is primarily a political issue, as you yourself amply demonstrated.

How much are they paying you to sell fear and panic?

i) Comparing Trump to Mussolini was a tad tongue-in-cheek, but not entirely. ii) You have failed to notice the word extreme when I am taking about ‘right-wing anti-vaxxers’. Sundry fascists, neo-Nazis, Reichsbürger. Haters of immigrants. Increasingly radical and violent. Not talking about bog-standard social conservatives here. iii) The 30% of the population not vaccinated includes all children under 12. It’s about 20% of adults, including those who are genuinely scared of being vaccinated, and those who are making a political statement against the state. They are asserting their right to ignore completely all the hygiene rules designed to keep the… Read more »

“You have failed to notice the word extreme…“ Dude, there’s a transcript. I suggest you go back and read it. Upon rereading — this time, for comprehension — you will discover I did not leave that word out when quoting you. “…Sundry fascists, neo-Nazis, Reichsbürger. Haters of immigrants. Increasingly radical and violent.” In other words, people that exist only inside your fevered imagination. Meanwhile, out here in Realville, the far left is on a massive power trip locking people down, taking away freedoms, sending people into camps, dehumanizing people, creating a second-class citizenry, and are generally trying to make life as miserable… Read more »

How much are they paying you to sell fear and panic? You repeatedly make this claim to my spreading fear and panic. So far in commenting on the virus I have said it is little danger to children, about 30% adults suffer no symptoms, up to 90% will not have a serious illness, that vaccination reduces the spread by about 70% and will protect extremely well against serious illness. The death rate is more amongst the elderly and those with pre-conditions. I wouldn’t call that spreading panic. Now it is true that the extreme right unvaccinated are paying a high… Read more »

“Now it is true that the extreme right unvaccinated are paying a high price for their folly…”

No, they’re not. The article Jilly linked, entitled “Data Confirms: Trump Counties are Dying to Own the Libs” undercuts its own premise with the 0.047% (47 out of 100,000) death rate. That’s a death rate similar to the flu.

Besides, why would “the extreme right unvaccinated” pay any higher a price than “the extreme left unvaccinated”?

No, they’re not. The article Jilly linked, entitled “Data Confirms: Trump Counties are Dying to Own the Libs” … I am talking about the extreme right in central Europe, specifically the German-speaking countries. They are the ones who are more likely to become infected and hence experience serious illness or death from the virus. They won’t take advantage of the means to stop this happening. Unlike those with genuine, if ungrounded fears of vaccination, they are making a political statement. A study has recently shown Brexiteers are more likely to die from the virus, I would think for much the… Read more »

Yup, most politically-aware virus in history.

Thanks for the laugh.

And that would be another lie. You are cherry-picking the Covid deaths of a single summer. The total summer flu deaths have NEVER been close to that in our lifetime.

If you go by full-year totals, the average estimated flu deaths in a year (a number far higher than the actual counted deaths), is ~36,000 per year. In the 20 months since March 2020 there have been 794,000 counted Covid deaths, and the estimated deaths would be far higher.

If you think 36,000/year is similar to over 400,000/year, you shouldn’t go anywhere near numbers.

And that would be yet another falsehood, since I have a degree in biophysics, have worked in the field, and have published papers in both science and education including one I’m currently working on. I work with data almost every day.

And in terms of covid death counts, as I and several others have pointed out mulitple times the excess death counts and timing show the actual death toll is almost certainly far higher than the “official” toll. And sorry but no, there is no one with the power to fabricate total excess deaths.

And in terms of covid death counts, as I and several others have pointed out multiple times, the excess death counts and timing show the actual death toll is almost certainly far lower than the “official” toll.

We can play this game all day, Drippy.

Jonathan, I have come to the conclusion that you are actively working at being stupid. You could keep your big mouth shut, and simply be thought the fool, but no, you go and open it and remove all doubt. That takes work. And you have no credibility. Every time you scream and point the finger through the window of the short bus, accusing me of lying, I laugh heartily. Now, is there a reason you and Kenny B. won’t address my question? Here, I’ll restate it so you know the context of what it is we’re discussing: Why would “the… Read more »

I didn’t know I was responsible for answering random questions you ask Will. But the answer is obvious – anyone who remains unvaccinated risks paying the price, but overall there are many more unvaccinated on the right than on the left.

Unvaccinated Adults are Now More Than Three Times as Likely to Lean Republican than Democratic

https://www.kff.org/coronavirus-covid-19/press-release/unvaccinated-adults-are-now-more-than-three-times-as-likely-to-lean-republican-than-democratic/

“I didn’t know I was responsible for answering random questions you ask Will.” That was a question I asked Ken B, and it was in the context of his claim. I even quoted his claim. Criminy, Drippy, can’t you even get that right? And as for your article, you’re missing the plot yet again. Ken B’s claim is that the “the extreme right unvaccinated” is paying a high price for their “folly”. Your article does nothing to show that “the extreme right unvaccinated” are paying a high price, let alone that remaining pureblood is “folly”. By the way, that “shrinking… Read more »

I am not a Democrat. Yet another falsehood to add to your long list.

Since you demanded an answer from me and I complied, can you give a simple answer to those questions that you have repeatedly dodged?

I’ve asked you numerous times – are you a Bible-believing Christian? Do you go to a church? Or are you here just to push far-right propaganda and spew insults?

Because you’re repeatedly insulting people in the most demeaning language, and you work hard to push the fringe of right-wing talking points, but I have seen little evidence that you’re interested in the Bible or in the Christian life.

You didn’t answer the question. Therefore, you didn’t comply.

Because you’re repeatedly insulting people in the most demeaning language, and you work hard to push the fringe of left-wing talking points, but I have seen little evidence that you’re interested in the Bible or in the Christian life.

Like I said, we can play this game all day, Drippy.

Why are you so afraid of answering the question as to whether you are a Bible-believing Christian who goes to church? What could it possibly harm by answering the question? Why do you just let it hang every time I ask, while feeling perfectly fine demanding I answer your questions?

I’ve asked you numerous times – are you [fp] a Bible-believing Christian? Do you go to a church? Or are you here just to push far-right propaganda …

I am willing to stand corrected, but I fear extreme right-wing politics and hyper-individualism are fp’s religion and his God.

Why would “the extreme right unvaccinated” pay any higher a price than “the extreme left unvaccinated”?

I have never made that claim. What I said was

Now it is true that the extreme right unvaccinated are paying a high price for their folly, …

You quoted that yourself! Now let me give you a clue: if the unvaccinated were divided equally between the extreme right and left, then the infections, illness and death would be equally spead between them. But the majority of the unvaccinated who are so for political reasons belong to the extreme right, so it follows …

Ken, TCFKAfp is not interested in discussions. He gets his rocks off by attempting to incite – without proof. It’s the last refuge of cowards. I suggest you leave him to his own sniveling devices.

Ken, the pandemic is extremely political. In fact it is so political that the outspoken politicians in favor of the masks wear them all the time, no matter where they are — as long as a camera is focused on them.

California’s Governor Newsome is a strong believer in masks. It looks like a funny thing happened on the way to the beach.

I wouldn’t wear a mask outdoors on the beach when no one other than my family was within 20 feet either. Few people would and literally no one is recommending that.

Is your complaint that he sets an example of wearing a mask when he’s doing public events? Which is a problem because…..why? Don’t all people do certain things more rigorously when they’re trying to set an example even in situations where it’s not absolutely necessary?

Yes, I remember that – that and several other similar things other politicians did were purely idiotic.

The pandemic ought not to be party political.

Going by the picture you posted, it looks like some are determined to exercise their right to bare arms …

Ken, the problem is that Newsome is the Governor of California. He imposed severe restrictions on individuals inside it’s borders. This is not the first time Newsome has been caught in the SARS CoV-2 cookie jar disregarding the demands that he would have the surfs severely beaten for disobeying. If you noticed in the UK news an MP was found at a large party with out masks, social distancing or any of the other UK demands for the peasants. Health care should not be political. But it is. Money talks and the rules are for you and me but not… Read more »

I agree about the hypocrisy. In the UK Conservative advisors and cabinet ministers have blatantly broken the rules they themselves have imposed. Lucrative government contracts going to party donors and friends. In Germany three Conservative MP’s made personal gain (a lot!) out of the corona pandemic. They were booted out in short order, but may have cost the Conservatives the general election. You cannot blame people for thinking ‘if they don’t keep the rules why should I’, but this misses the point of whether the rules actually curtail the virus from getting out of control. I have some scepticism about… Read more »

Ken, the tyranny is obvious to those who will sit back with a beverage of their choice and actually think. The SARS CoV-2 panic is similar to the 1929 world wide depression which was strengthened and prolonged by government intervention trying to get the thing under control. Points such as operations postponed are red herrings tossed out to obfuscate what is going on and those who can’t look behind the curtain are drawn in. I still maintain that the majority of tyrannical wartime restrictions Churchill and FDR imposed on the UK and US were unnecessary. In this present mess, the… Read more »

I cannot agree that postponed operations are a red herring, I have friends in England who have lost relatives because of this. And the reason for the discontinuation of treatment was covid overload. It’s now happening in Germany and other parts of central Europe. It happened in the southern parts of Europe nearer the beginning of the pandemic. I don’t know much about wartime restrictions in the States, but I cannot imagine they were particularly severe, there was no direct threat. Churchill had no choice but to impose huge restrictions on liberty or else face losing the war. You could… Read more »

Since the MP in question was conservative, as are the UK politicians imposing those strict rules, why do you think it is “political”?

Many politicians both liberal and conservative across the world have imposed mask mandates, lockdowns, etc. And they people sometimes act like they’re above the law and violate their own rules, the same way some such people break traffic laws or drink and drive.

That doesn’t make traffic laws or DUIs “political”, it just means that power is quite corrupting and many folk who gain power don’t act as if they believe the rules apply to them.

Jonathan, your degree and work in biophysics should tell you that everyday and N95 masks may catch globules but do not actually stop the virus transmission. Masks are theater for the common folks and even the WHO said so. If you had understanding in operations, you would understand house arrest for the healthy is a tyrannical measure which doesn’t work. If you had understanding in politics, you would understand that there is a huge difference between traffic laws and laws which destroy businesses and give money to favored groups. The worldwide SARS CoV-2 response is political and is covering a… Read more »

You probably shouldn’t go around declaring to people with much more experience in a field than yourself what they should and shouldn’t know. Both my experience in biophysics (including two courses in microbiology which included projects in epidemiology), the papers I’ve read, and every medical professional I know personally states that two-way mask wearing (by both the potential transmitter and the potential recipient) works to reduce viral transmission.

Nowhere in America has imposed house arrest for the healthy. I already detailed which aspects of “lockdowns” I do and don’t support earlier.

Now there’s a laugh. You really think you’re going to convince people that masks reduce viral transmission by appealing to authority — and an incredibly small set at that — with one of the “authorities” being yourself? You list as your “experience” as taking a couple of college courses. Is this seriously the “much more” experience to which you’re referring? Anyone can take a college class or two. Not very impressive.  There aren’t many papers claiming that masks reduce viral transmission, and the ones that try point out that masks catch droplets (duh!). Whoop-de-do. Catching droplets does not translate to… Read more »

Kinda hard to make the case that masks work when the infection rate shoots right up after your mandate has gone into effect.

Couldn’t be because there is a time lapse between the implementation of mandates and restrictions and the consequent affect on the infection rate? Usually about a fortnight.

It was a response to Dave, I appealed to literally the exact thing that Dave appealed to. If you don’t like the measure and think it’s a fallacy, take it up with him.

Your 3rd paragraph is mostly wrong, but seeing how many obviously wrong things you’ve been willing to say and how little you care when proven demonstrably wrong, I find it quite likely that you know you’re wrong and just don’t care.

Why are you still avoiding my question about whether you’re a Bible-believing Christian who goes to Church?

Jonathan, Idaho declared house arrest with a few exceptions such as grocery shopping. “The stay-home order requires citizens to self-isolate at home if you can, not just if you are sick.” Governor Little

Yes, house arrest was foisted upon us.

If you are sifting gravel through a 3 inch mesh, will a 1 inch stone fall through the mesh?

I was not around in March 2020, so I didn’t experience that particular moment personally. But I don’t know a single person who stated they were under house arrest. You could still leave your home whenever you wanted, go shopping anywhere, go to family and friend’s homes as well, correct? Was anyone ever arrested for leaving their home? If not, how can you claim it was “house arrest”? And if you believe viruses are like stones and masks are a mesh you’re already misguided. For a more apt comparison, hang a pair of sheets from a line and then shoot… Read more »

Jonathan, how much water goes through sheets when they are shot with a fire hose rather than a spray bottle? How much water goes around the sheets if they aren’t properly attached to the line and if the hose is directed at the edge of the sheet? That is a poor example and is for those who have not studied filtration versus deadly threats. The point is that the virus particles travel around, through and out of the mask. That is basic virology. This is why guys working in virus labs wear full face masks with air provided or they… Read more »

If you think breathing is more like fire hose pressure as opposed to spray bottle pressure, then this conversation is a waste of time. A spray bottle is a much better example than a fire hose.

And your statements about AIDS are nonsensical. I was in elementary school when AIDS broke out, we had an HIV-positive student in our school, and we were never told you could get AIDS from shaking his hand or being in the same room as him.

Every time Dave mentions the term basic virology, I can’t help but smile and roll my eyes at the inflated view he has of his knowledge. This has been going on for over a year and he’s yet to get it right once.

Today I happened to see a list on TV of corona myths, and one of them was that masks don’t do anything to prevent infection. They do not protect absolutely, although no-one ever claims that as far as I know, but they do reduce the chance of infection and even more of it being serious.

This has been studied in depth by the Max Planck Institute and the German Space Agency.

Why don’t you believe the low viral load theory? I haven’t read the research recently, but during the first few months of the pandemic I read up on the research to date and bounced some questions about it off of a couple epidemiologists I know and it seemed solid, that both the initial viral load and the “landing” spot of those viruses could have an impact of case severity.

What do you consider the solid “in the wild” research that leads you to that conclusion? So far when I’ve seen people claim research shows that average people wearing masks don’t work well, they rely on research where only the recipient is wearing and not the transmitter. And they tend to use experiments on either end of an extreme – either ones in which the wearers spend their entire work day in infected hospital rooms that are going to be heavily saturated with viruses (and thus are likely to get permeated with viral exposure unless they have a very good… Read more »

Of course they protect, though nothing’s 100%. Otherwise healthcare workers would never put them on. I’ll never understand the antivaxxers or the antimask crowd. It must be nice for them to choose whatever set of “facts” they want to believe.

Same goes for those evangelicals & fundies who fell at the feet of Trump. Especially after telling the rest of us for years how righteous they are.

Jonathan, you were in elementary school while I was already working. We had to know filter sizes, what elements, chemicals, viruses, or radioactive materials and particles would pass through our filters and what percentage of success might be achieved to kill the enemy or to protect others. If everyone wearing a mask defeats a virus by less than an extremely high percentage (think 80-90%), it is not acceptable to impose governmental restrictions on our lives. Percentage of successful survival in the general population was a US Civil Defense guiding light. With SARS CoV-2, a virus with approximately a 1% kill… Read more »

What are you basing the claim that “If everyone wearing a mask defeats a virus by less than an extremely high percentage (think 80-90%), it is not acceptable to impose governmental restrictions on our lives.”?

Seat belts reduce the risk of death in a car accident by 45%. Air bags, just 34%. There are constantly recalls for safety issues that only lead to a handful of deaths. So claiming that there needs to be 80-90% efficacy in order to require something as simple as wearing a mask is baseless.

Dave, where is evidence for these wild claims?

SARS CoV-2 is being pimped just like AIDS was pimped in the 80s. You can get AIDS by being in the same room as an infected person. You can get AIDS by shaking hands with someone. Years later, after the panic, we found out differently. 

You were in elementary school and missed all the ads, public information posters, and other information about how easy it was to get AIDS from casual contact.

So kids were being taught that AIDS was harmless from casual contact, but you claim adults were being taught something different?

Actually, here is easy proof that you’re completely off-base. When I was a kid everyone watched the Ryan White story, it was famous. Well the ENTIRE Ryan White story is about how the experts kept saying that AIDS couldn’t be transmitted by casual contact, but ignorant local officials wouldn’t listen. It’s a matter of public record – all the doctors, the Board of Health, the Department of Education, the CDC, they all said it was safe for Ryan to go to school. That’s all a matter of public court records. And this is 1984-1986 we’re talking about. If you want… Read more »

Dave,

Let me put this a mildly as I can. You are a kook.

Geez, don’t read his comments and certainly don’t respond. I promise it won’t hurt Jonathan’s feeling one bit. But if you do read his comments, watch out, you just might learn something.

I appreciate the spirit in which you communicated your thoughts and concerns. I’m not motivated by fear of death or sickness. Of course I’m not in any hurry to die nor would I want to contract Covid. I am motivated by the 2nd great commandment, to take care of my family, friends, and neighbors. I’m 65 years old and I have never seen such irrational fear of a vaccine in my lifetime. This fear has been fed by so much misinformation from conspiracy theory websites and worst of all preachers and right wing radio and TV hosts. Sadly, more than… Read more »

“Hypergamy at its root level is about the most efficacious, pragmatic, means of women becoming fertile with the best genetic breeding opportunities, and simultaneously pairing in the long term provisioning opportunities available to a woman.” -Rollo Tomassi My understanding is that when hypergamy is the only deciding factor, a woman chooses a man because he is practical. There is a concept of first-order desires and second-order desires (I hope I understand this right). Animals and people have first-order desires, but only people have second-order desires-which are capable of overriding first-order desires. To me hypergamy seems to be a first-order desire,… Read more »

I don’t disagree with you. I was in part trying to head off a potential comment from one of the usual suspects that DW was only quoting someone else with the implication he may not actually be using the expression to reflect his own opinion. DW does some excellent stuff, with no little wit, on wokism, the insanity of modern society especially CRT and victimhood, but when it comes to things like the pandemic his pre-existing commitment to small government interferes (in my opinion) with a more correct appraisal of what the health measures and restrictions are intended to do.… Read more »

CRT? Really? “The destruction of states rights in the South was the first necessity leading to forced policies undermining the cultural dominance of the Anglo-Celtic people and its institutions. Wallace rightly identified the enemy and fought it until the attempt on his life in 1972.” That’s not from a CRT proponent, that’s from the president of the League of the South, an organization whose driving cause is Southern White dominance yet who somehow was being publicly supported by Pastor Wilson. It’s hard to imagine a CRT proponent writing a more persuasive summery of CRT’s basic claims. A pastor who calls… Read more »

I had in mind modern CRT that derives from cultural Marxism that despite much of the real progress in dismantling racism seeks to stir up trouble by making all
‘people of colour’ victims of racism and privileged white males their oppressors.

Whilst needless to say there is some truth in this analysis, it fails to take into account that many whites have been oppressed and that many blacks have done pretty well for themselves in more recent decades.

It might well be that James White has dealt with this more effectively than our host here.