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kyriosity
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The Bible Challenge web pages are rather minimalist, so if you’d like more details, read this: https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10155626744581724&id=586561723 It’s written more for the ladies, but most of it applies to the guys, too.

We also hope to have three more languages added soon. I finally heard back from the Polish translator this morning. Still waiting on German and Russian. Just another example of how insular we are up here in northern Idaho. ????

bethyada
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Wilson on torture In my ethic, coercion of every form is always a big deal.

bethyada
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Doug, thanks for your recent post on Revoice. Excellent stuff. I do think it important for us (on your side) to pay close attention to what is actually being promoted. We want to rebuke bad advice but not strawmen. I don’t know what the conference is teaching about all this but it is important that we address how men (who find erotic attraction to men a temptation) have right relationships with other men. This is a real question. Civil unions sans sodomy is clearly inappropriate. I suspect that what we should be saying is that if you have strong sexual… Read more »

JP Stewart
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I haven’t seen any strawmen from the critics. You don’t need strawmen when the website gives you stuff like this: “What does queer culture (and specifically, queer literature and theory) have to offer us who follow Christ? What queer treasure, honor, and glory will be brought into the New Jerusalem at the end of time?”

JP Stewart
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Replace “queer” with “adultery,” “fornication,” “incest,” “porn,” “bestiality” or any other sexual sin and see how it reads.

bethyada
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Agreed. Still we need to be on guard. Two reasons counter to mind. It appears that some Christian voices support it. Voices who may have made valid observations in the past. I don’t mind listening to those i disagree with. Sometimes they make valid points.

Two. If this whole thing is a mess and a compromise then it doesn’t help when our opposition to it misses the target.

JP Stewart
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“It appears that some Christian voices support it. Voices who may have made valid observations in the past.” I realize that, but don’t put much stock in it. I’ve read what the actual website and presenters are saying, and there are tons of red flags. DW, Warhorn Media and others Doug linked to are asking good questions…and they’re not being answered. One of his links is for a Phil Johnson article, and there’s a good interview of Phil here: http://polemicsreport.com/2018/06/08/podcast-phil-johnson-joins-polemics-report/ They cover Revoice and the growth in “Christian” SJWism about halfway through the podcast. Phil mentions “mission drift”–how many in… Read more »

bethyada
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JP, I am prepared to listen carefully and reject anything from part to all of it. I spend a lot of time reading scientific articles (unrelated to this) and dismissing a variety of comments and conclusions. People make all sorts of unsubstantiated claims. And I would not be shocked to find a group of people claiming to be inclusive but just using the process to further their own agenda. But I also know what it is like to be on the receiving end of people dismissing my ideas but revealing in their opposition that they do not really have a… Read more »

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Where is the line supposed to be? When does okay turn into not okay? This question is raised with adolescents in the church (in terms of relationships). I have even heard a sermon on what is a is not allowed. A common approach is this is allowed this is not. A slightly better one is not how far can I god but how holy can I be. What would Jesus think if he were physically sitting in the room is not always helpful because frankly marriage couples would be a little embarrassed. The older I get the more I think… Read more »