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There is a title on your Reading List that I can’t find on Canon or Blog & Mablog: #105—Not the Same Digory at All. Is this something new? Sounds interesting and I would love to read it.
Thanks.

Allen

Allen, that is a manuscript that I recently turned in to Canon. It has not yet seen the light of day.

Have I Flaked On You?

You say you haven’t moved, but you are now bullish [sic] on those who question the World War 2 narrative, including the Holocaust, though you once taught Civil War narratives that were against the norm. You now say that men like Joel Webbon, who pastor such young men, are “Revoice for Nazis” pastors.
You once taught that Christians can have disagreements and yet still work together. I personally learned a mature form of ecumenicism from watching you and seeing how graciously you interacted with people you disagreed with. But now, you have created an embargo on Joel Webbon and the Ogden men. I believe your words were that they are “cut off from Moscow”? You used to be the victim of unfair embargoes. But, now, you are shutting yourself off to pastors and ministries with whom you agree on 99% of doctrine. Yet, Tucker Carlson, TPUSA, NatCon, and big-time main event stages that have other speakers who are, say, Hindu or Jewish philosophers, is kosher.
Please help this lowly layman understand how these are not recent changes, Pastor Wilson? Help me to understand why we once viewed you as a father who allowed us to feel safe to work through disagreements, wrong-think, and yes, even sin, knowing that there was an older man of faith helping us along. Correcting us. Not wiping his hands clean of our filth, and saying, “If you talk about such and such, I will not walk alongside you anymore.” Why does it feel like we have lost a father?

J

J, thanks for the question, and I do understand it. But the issue is not the presence of disagreements or errors. As you point out, I am willing to work alongside people I differ with (NatCon, etc.). But there are certain philosophies that are rancid and toxic. Paul says that there are certain errors that spread like gangrene (2 Tim. 2:17). In my view, the malicious errors being circulated by Sam Holden are in that category. I would be happy to “go to a party” with RR or Ogden . . . if they would agree not to show up at the party with Holden. So you have not lost a father. You still have a father who is willing to tell you no. That’s one of the things that fathers do. Here is an image circulated by Holden. The simple truth is that Ogden and RR would rather be associated with this kind of thing than with us.
Explain patently that you are not a firebrand, you are a bomb-thrower and ask them to please respect the bomb-thrower community.

Rob

Rob, this is a good suggestion. I regret that I had not thought of it myself.
Re: Skeery Scary Skeery
Chesterton has said that Christ concealed His mirth while on earth, but I think you have a bit of it now. I can tell you’re having fun. That accounts for at least this one in your growing readership.

John

John, actually, yes. I am having fun.
I grinned all the way through that post, especially when you conjured up the image of the hound dog lying in the sun puddle. A thing of pure beauty.
As for “the hoi polloi,” please take comfort in the fact that it’s still better than “The Los Angeles Angels,” an actual MLB team. Nothing less inspiring than being called “The The Angels Angels.” I suppose we could start a Department of Redundancy Department to deal with all this . . .
And finally, I’ve been saying for a few years now—on and off for maybe a decade but pretty solidly since the Great Lie of 2020 and the revelation that Nixon was framed—that if a politician, media talking head, bureaucrat, or “expert” is speaking, it’s a lie. Until proven otherwise . . . which rarely happens. In fact, I can’t think of a single exception.
Thanks for the morning chuckles,

Andy

Andy, thanks.
I just wanted to thank you for your posts about the dank right.
Maybe because the woke insanity is so risible and deserving of being jeered at, it can be difficult to put into words where the boundary between sane reaction and unhinged reaction is. You did the best job of that I’ve seen to date.

Greg

Greg, thanks very much. I am hoping that some of our friends who have been initially disappointed will come back around when they get a better glimpse of where all of this is going.

Shoot Cussing

Can you direct me to somewhere online or in print where you give a biblical argument for using the words “gosh”, “golly” and “gee”? I am mum to three tiny kids so have not given much time to a thorough search but so far have not found a good argument for Christians to use those words given their definitions. If you haven’t written on that topic specifically, can you recommend another author who comments on it? Thank you for your time.

Lindsey

Lindsey, thank you. Here is one thing I have written on it.

What About Ravi?

I hope you’re having a great evening! I’m curious, I was looking through our bookshelves, and we still have some books from Ravi Zacharias. While there are some truths contained within those books, I’m still a bit befuddled as to what to think about him. From what occurred in 2020, it seems like he was caught in a lot of sin toward the end of his life. I was curious as to your thoughts on the matter, if you had any. This isn’t a “gotcha,” this is a pure curiosity question.

Curious One

C.O. I don’t know enough about the situation to say anything definitive about it. But it all came down in the me too era, and some of the cultural accusation mechanisms are truly problematic. He may well have been morally compromised, I don’t know. But the accusation industry is also morally compromised. So I would simply leave Ravi in God’s hands, and keep the books if you want to.

Grape Juice Sacrament

I’m a student from Germany and have benefited a lot from Canon+ in the past few years.
Quite recently I got convicted that using grape juice in the Lord’s Supper is a distortion of the sacrament. Maybe I got this wrong but I think that Nadab and Abihu are a valid illustration of how introducing changes to a sacrament could go wrong.
Now here in Germany the churches still using wine are usually liberal in their theology, and all of the non-liberals in my region use grape juice. I only know of one church nearby that offers both.
The point is, a year ago I was struck with the same dilemma and stopped taking the Supper for several months. Prior to that I contacted my pastor and the team distributing the Supper (I’m also part of that team) and explained my reasons in this small circle. The usual answers were that the externals aren’t that important or that there are some people from a difficult background in our church and that’s why we don’t use wine.
I’ve seen your videos on this topic and how your church switched to wine. My question is, how are the weights and measures in this situation? If there aren’t many options should I keep on distributing and taking it and just pray for forgiveness before? Or is the church with a mixed offer better?
I would be very grateful for some advice, even if it’s just a referral to a book or a video.
God Bless,

Ben

Ben, every time you partake, I would confess the current practice as sin, and ask God to bless it through gradual sanctification in the body. If there is no hope of change, even slow change, then I would start looking for alternatives. But if the leadership has a semper reformanda mentality, then I would urge patience.

A Polygamy Question

I just listened to your book “Fidelity: How to Be a One-Woman Man” and found it very helpful. I have a question about something you wrote in the chapter on polygamy. If I understood you correctly, you said that if a polygamist were to come to Christ, that he should not take any more wives, but is not obligated to divorce any of his existing ones (unless, of course, there was some sort of sexual immorality involved, as Jesus discusses in Matthew 19). My question is this: is not polygamy an inherently sexually immoral arrangement, thus giving any of his wives the right to divorce him?

Nathanael

Nathanael, I was referring to a situation where polygamy was a recognized marital arrangement. That is not yet the case here, but it is in some countries, and has been in some ages. Polygamy is to be resisted now as a sub-biblical form of marriage, and Christian societies are monogamous. But when the surrounding culture is not monogamous, it is not sinful to work within those constraints. When Nathan rebuked David for his adultery (2 Sam. 12:7), he included in the rebuke the observation that God had given Saul’s wives to him (2 Sam. 12:8). I conclude that polygamy is a cultural sin, but is not the individual sin of adultery.

General Revelation and Our Grasp of the Truth

What are your views on general revelation and how it applies to the world’s discoveries of humans and other things? I find a resistance in the conservative church to the idea of using secular therapies in a Biblical Counseling sections. Things like EMDR therapy which are supposed to help with PTSD. I’ve always thought that the Lord has plundered the riches of the world to make his kingdom, I mean, that’s what he did with the Tabernacle.
It was almost entirely made out of plundered Egyptian material, even down to the Ark of the Covenant and other precious metal objects in the Holy of Holies. So if God is willing to let worldly resources be sanctified and put into his dwelling place, his throne on earth effectively, then should we not allow sanctified and consecrated worldly plunders near us and to affect us as well?

Kenneth

Kenneth, yes. A lot of Egyptian gold went into the construction of the Tabernacle. But a bunch of it also went into the Golden Calf. The trick is to distinguish what general revelation actually tells us (i.e. that the sun rises in the east) from what compromised Christians tell us that general revelation tells us (i.e. that the earth is billions of years old). All truth is God’s truth, but not all the devil’s lies are God’s truth.

EO Question

You might’ve already answered questions on this topic because it appears to be more trendy than I initially realized, but do you have an opinion on Eastern Orthodoxy?
I haven’t researched it much, and I don’t like a lot of aspects of Catholicism . . . but there are a few parts of Catholicism that I appreciate (some of the traditions, the beauty of the architecture which seem to honor God, etc.?). Is EO potentially a denomination that honors God through certain good traditions, beautiful visuals, and hymns while avoiding things like praying to saints, worshiping Mary and the pope, etc? Or would you put EO and Catholicism in the same basket?
Thanks,

Justin

Justin, I would put them generally in the same basket. EO would be closer to us on the papacy than Rome would, obviously, but Rome is closer to us in some other ways. But many of the central problems are the same.

Duly Noted

Ok. Hear me out. This would be great. Ride Sally Ride vol II. A pastor who gets converted and gradually becomes Reformed by the AI software he’s using to write his sermons . . .

Devin

Devin, okay, I heard you out. Your idea is not totally without merit . . .

An Interesting Question

Good evening! I hope you’re doing well. I was curious, do you think John the baptizer baptized infants? If not, do you think the people whom he baptized baptized their infants later?

ON

ON, great question. I don’t believe he baptized infants. His baptism was not Christian baptism, but was rather a Jewish baptism that was a repentant preparation for the Messiah. I believe it corresponded to someone making a guilt offering at the Temple. And I believe that adults who received John’s baptism received Christian baptism later, along with their children.

Vaccine Follow Up

In response to your answer to my letter regarding your blog on Vaccines from 2015, I would just like to say you have my respect. Well, you already had it. But even more so now.

Kyle

Kyle, thank you.

Piper’s Phrase

I know this is Piper’s phrase, but I’m curious what you think…
If God is “most glorified in us when we are most satisfied in him,” then is the following statement also true, “God is least glorified in us when we are least satisfied in him?”
If that’s true, can you talk about how that can be squared with 1.) the notion that God does everything for his glory and 2.) God unconditionally elects some to salvation for his glory?

Caleb

Caleb, I think it is a matter of where the glory lands. Christ was greatly glorified in His crucifixion, and the betrayal of Judas was part of that. But the betrayal of Jesus was not a glorification of Jesus in the heart of Judas. It was the opposite for him.

Address It Everywhere Else

I would like to thank the Lord for you and for your ministry! You have been a huge blessing to my wife and myself. Over that last couple years my wife and I have been making sure the convictions we have are based on Scripture and not just tradition. This has led to a massive paradigm shift that we praise the Lord for. For example we have come to embrace, and love a postmil view of Scripture and also have become Presbyterian. We both grew up Baptist and dispensational premil so very different change. This has led to some issues with my wife’s family. My mother-in-law has been very spiteful and divisive about all of this. Do you have any advice for how I should deal with this lovingly And help my family understand we can still have fellowship with disagreements. Thank you!

Hunter

Hunter, what I would suggest is to love her in every other area you can think of. Live in such a way as that she says to herself (perhaps at 2 in the morning) that “I don’t hold with this Presbyterian nonsense at all, but it sure has made a difference in how they honor me.”

A Corporate Responsibility

In the letters last week, a question was asked about personal evangelism. Your answer, if I understood you correctly, was that not all individuals within the Church are obligated to evangelize unbelievers. Do you mind elaborating further? Have you written about this before?

Shelton

Shelton, I believe I have have written on this somewhere in Mother Kirk. Perhaps one of our readers out there might help? I believe that the Body of Christ is an evangelistic body, just as a submarine is a torpedo-shooting vessel. But not all the crew are torpedo men.

Schlock or Merch?

I have followed your ministry for more than 30 years and have been greatly blessed by your teaching and leadership. I also have had many a laugh over the years (and perhaps this means I need further sanctification) as you have displayed “the Moscow Mood” over the years. I’m going to be leading a study on worship on Wednesday evenings at our church and dug out my old copy of A PRIMER ON WORSHIP AND REFORMATION that you wrote as one of the sources for shaping the study. I was freshly struck by Chapter 1 where you wrote about the Christian Schlock and the triviality of much so called Christian merchandise. I have noticed that some of that seems to be creeping into more serious Christian groups and even a bit in your own store with mugs and T shirts, etc. I’ve attended two of the Fight, Laugh, Feast conferences (and have enjoyed and been blessed to be among like-minded people!) and while I realize that is not directly your organization there was more than a little schlock available there as well. I am all for the promotion of books and videos that help us grow in grace but when I received emails after the last conference promoting Christian cigars it seemed a little much. (And I don’t have a problem with cigars!) I would hate to see good Reformed folks follow the Zondervan road and try and monetize everything under the sun as we move forward. Again, and I mean this with the utmost sincerity, thank you for your ministry and I pray that God grants you many more years to serve us and Him. I’m the same age as you and so I understand the pace that you have kept over the years may need to be reduced a bit but I hope that God has much more to say through you.
Providential Blessings,

Mike

Mike, thanks for the feedback. I still have the same views I have always had about Lame Schlock for Jesus, and you are right that we do have some merch available. And I would anticipate agreement that the line between the two can sometimes be a bit blurry. But speaking for myself, I have every intention of staying a good fifty feet on this side of that line.
My wife and I are in our early 70s, we were converted from the old order Amish church 40 years ago. We now live in Western Washington, and have been without a home church ever since COVID. The church we were a part of we quit, because of their response to the COVID issue. We have been attending a Baptist Church for a while now, and are considering membership. But we discovered that they will not accept our baptism by pouring, that happened after we became Christians in 1984. They require us to be baptized by immersion. I have confidence that our baptism in the Flathead River, by pouring, was a valid baptism. Do you have any advice for us? Thank you very much!

Allen

Allen, yes. Your baptism was absolutely valid. Peter calls what happened on Pentecost a baptism of the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit fell on the household of Cornelius in the same way (Acts 10:44). They were then baptized because of that (Acts 10:47-48). Peter calls this a baptism (Acts 11:15-16), and equates it with what happened to them in Acts 2. So the baptism of the Holy Spirit in Acts 2 and in Acts 10 was a baptism by pouring (Acts 2:17). So if I were you, I would stick to my guns. Attend with them, and worship with them, but don’t get baptized again.

Lewis the Calvinist?

I understand that I am a little late to the party, but I encountered some work of yours from years ago called Undragoned: C.S. Lewis on the Gift of Salvation, where you argue that C.S. Lewis was sympathetic to Calvinism, with the chief evidence being from English Literature in the 16th Century. Now I regard Lewis with the same regard Lewis viewed MacDonald, and without the influence of his work I highly doubt I would be a Christian. So I thought the claim was worth investigating.
I had read most of his work but I had not read English Literature. Because you called it his magnum opus, so I picked up. As I am reading it through I am confused and would like to ask you a little more about why you think he had Calvinist sympathies. It seems like he regarded John Calvin as a Marx/Lenin type of figure and that the theology presented in the Institutes is outright demonic.
“Many surrendered to, all were influenced by, the dazzling figure of Calvin. It ought to be easier for us than for the nineteenth century to understand his attraction. He was a man born to be the idol of revolutionary intellectuals; an unhesitating doctrinaire, ruthless and efficient in putting his doctrine into practice. Though bred as a lawyer, he found time before he was thirty to produce the first text of the Institutio (1536) and never made any serious modification of its theory.
By 1537 he was already at Geneva and the citizens were being paraded before him in bodies of ten to swear to a system of doctrine. Sumptuary legislation and the banishment of the dissenters Caroli made it plain that here was the man of the new order who really meant business. He was driven out of Geneva but returned to new triumphs in 1540, successfully maintaining his theocracy both against civil magistrates who wished to govern a little more, and private citizens who wished to be governed a good deal less, than Calvin would permit. The banishment of Bolsec (1551) and the burning of Servetus (1553) were among its achievements. The moral severity of his rule laid the foundations of the meaning which the word ‘puritan’ has since acquired.”
And later
“To guard against worse misconceptions, it may be useful to compare the influence of Calvin on that age with the influence of Marx on our own; or even of Marx and Lenin in one, for Calvin had both expounded the new system in theory and set it going in practice.”
One more for good measure,
“In it [Institutes] Calvin goes on from the original Protestant experience to build a system, to extrapolate, to raise all the dark questions and give without flinching the dark answers. It is, however, a masterpiece of literary form; and we may suspect that those who read it with most approval were troubled by the fate of predestined vessels of wrath just about as much as young Marxists in our own age are troubled by the approaching liquidation of the bourgeoisie. Had the word ‘sentimentality’ been known to them, Elizabethan Calvinists would certainly have used it of any who attacked the Institutio as morally repulsive.”
And last of all,
“… is another way of saying that good would still be good if stripped of all power. It is the extreme opposite of the Calvinist view which comes near to saying that omnipotence must be worshipped even if it is evil, that power is venerable when stripped of all good; and it is no doubt incomparably less dangerous to theism. But Calvin was more in tune with the spirit of his age: everyone can see that the difference between Hooker’s God and Calvin’s is very like that between Bracton’s king and Aeneas Sylvius’ emperor.
Pardon me, but the assertion that Lewis is sympathetic in any way to Calvinism in light of his “magnum opus” seems outright absurd to me when he condemned it in such strong terms. He is explicitly comparing Calvin and Calvinists to some of the worst monsters of the 20th century and is stopping only (possibly) short of condemning Calvinism as devil worship. A sympathy with Hooker, Luther, Wycliffe or Tyndale is not, in Lewis’ mind, the same thing as a sympathy with Calvin.
If English Literature is Lewis at his most mature thought he is most certainly Protestant and holds to predestination. But it seems like he outright detests all that is specifically Calvinist and the entire systemic doctrine of Calvin. Am I misreading anything in Lewis?
Best,

Jeff

Jeff, yes, I think so. Don’t be distracted by his sociological observations, and look straight at what he concedes doctrinally. For example, Hooker and Calvin were much alike in their doctrine of God . . . and Hooker was Lewis’s favorite theologian. And if you have a moment, go through my Undragoned piece again, and simply look at what he grants to the Calvinists on doctrinal grounds. Not all, but much, and the doctrines he explicitly denies are doctrines where he is misunderstanding the actual Calvinist position. And compare his treatment of More and Tyndale. And look especially at the quote that contains the phrase “all the Protestant doctrines originally sprang.” But although I believe that Lewis was a Calvinist in principle, I also think he could at times be a muddled one.
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Allen
Allen
11 hours ago

Devins idea for a sequel to Ride Sally Ride is awesome. Do it!

Jake
11 hours ago

Nathanael, I have always understood polygamy as places where it is law. Mostly this is going to be Islamic countries. If a man should divorce his second or third wife, this is a legal divorce. Those children are not suddenly bastards. They are from a covenantal marriage that should not have been made. That being said, The Lord hates divorce, Both the new Christian man and the woman should stay in polygamous marriages if they can do so. Raise your children Christian and the sin won’t go to the next generation.

Jake
11 hours ago

Doug brought up the 18-20 issue yesterday. Why are we as Americans so obsessed with 21? It is not biblical. The Bible says biblical age for a man is 20.

Dave
Dave
9 hours ago
Reply to  Jake

To the best of my knowledge, the age of majority, 21, was carried into America by common law from England, Ireland and Scotland long before the colonies broke from England. In 1971, after calls of old enough to fight, old enough to vote, Congress changed the federal voting law to 18. Most states followed with declarations that the age of majority was also 18.

Andrew Trauger
Andrew Trauger
7 hours ago
Reply to  Dave

If only they could also drink…

Jake
5 hours ago
Reply to  Andrew Trauger

The issue isn’t drinking but employment discrimination. I almost became homeless because I was 20 and couldn’t get a job because I couldn’t get a full time job to support myself because the low skill jobs required one to be 21. Most foster kids experience this. Most low skill jobs often require the ability to sell alcohol. Saying they are of age to fight and to be thrown out of foster care is nothing but acceptable child abuse.

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David Anderson
10 hours ago

There is a mountain of documented evidence that vastly exceeds the Biblical standard for anyone who wishes to know about the shocking depravity of Ravi Zacharias. That evidence is available readily at hand for anyone and everyone who does prefer wilful ignorance. Edit: since the contrast displayed in the comments section isn’t great, here it is as a URL: https://www.courthousenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/zacharias-report.pdf “We confirmed one of the three accounts described in the Christianity Today article and found significant evidence of sexual misconduct involving additional massage therapists. We also reviewed Mr. Zacharias’s electronic devices and found evidence of text- and email-based relationships with… Read more »

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David Anderson
10 hours ago

Non-alcoholic contents in the cup at the Lord’s Supper are a *sin*? That is pure and outrageous adding to the word of God. Every Biblical passage that mentions the elements communion meal speaks either of “the cup”, and/or of “the fruit of the vine” (which is to say “grape juice”) – 1 Corinthians 11:11-26, Matthew 26:26-30, Mark 14:22-26, Luke 22:14-19). To argue that if the grape juice has not been fermented (to what degree, please tell us – and do you measure this each time you partake to involve being complicit in error?) then the Lord’s Supper has been desecrated… Read more »

Jane
Jane
8 hours ago
Reply to  David Anderson

The fruit of the vine is idiomatically wine in the original language.It is certainly not idiomatically the “grape juice” that will inevitably become wine in short order prior to the invention of pasteurization. I could see saying that the ambiguity could allow for either, but it’s simply incorrect to say that it means grape juice in particular.

Grape juice was a thing that existed for about 24 hours after the annual harvest.

However I agree with not being schismatic over the difference (either way).

David Anderson
8 hours ago
Reply to  Jane

There are/were words available in Greek for wine, words which are used in the New Testament (e.g. John 2:3, 1 Timothy 5:23, amongst many others). Someone could argue that there is no particular intention in the Holy Spirit not having used those words in any of the passages describing the Lord’s Supper, but even then it’s an abuse to argue that we should nevertheless both read them identically as if they did, and then build from that conclusions about brothers in sin, and recommend people leave churches. That’s appalling and I’m staggered when people who appear to love the gospel… Read more »

Nathan
Nathan
3 hours ago
Reply to  David Anderson

the sort that can be drunk at a wedding feast for several days and still leave you not yet inebriated It sounds like you perhaps haven’t had a great deal of experience with drinking? Even at a drink per hour, assuming you are eating normally (a feast assumes this) and don’t have issues metabolizing alcohol, you would have a hard time getting drunk on wine, however long the wedding went. Alcohol’s half-life in the body is only a few hours. Before pasteurization (or freezing refrigeration), all grape juice would ferment to meaningful, not-close-to-zero alcohol content rather well before Passover. Low… Read more »

John Middleton
John Middleton
5 hours ago
Reply to  Jane

I remember from some years ago a Baptist pastor who insisted on the grape juice theory. He acknowledged references to fermented fruit of the vine but said context tells us when it is a fermented drink and when not. What is the context? Spoken of positively, it is grape juice. Negatively, wine. Rather circular in his reasoning, he really didn’t even convince his at least partially teetotaling congregation.

I also assume the reference is to wine, and you are right about not being schismatic over it. One can be a Pharisee on the subject in either direction.

Jane
Jane
3 hours ago
Reply to  John Middleton

However you come down on it the relative necessity of either choice in a given situation, I don’t understand how an intellectually honest person who knows ANYTHING about what happens to grape juice when it sits around can claim “it was unfermented” in the original instance. Passover was in spring. The grape harvest was summer/autumn. Grape juice couldn’t even have existed at that moment in time, let alone been Jesus’ choice for His last supper.

Nathan
Nathan
8 hours ago
Reply to  David Anderson

I would argue that the motive for choosing grape juice over wine is critical here. If they provide grape juice because they see it as no different from wine biblically, a sort of “pasteurized wine” that does not tempt alcoholics and is healthier for the kids, then i would not worry much over it. Push for reform on this, but be patient, slow to leave fellowship. If, however, they are teetotalers who would consider wine at communion to be unbiblical and inappropriate for the table, then i would have serious concerns, as this shows a clear disrespect for both Scripture… Read more »

John Middleton
John Middleton
5 hours ago
Reply to  Nathan

I think your first paragraph identifies the original motive and the second what it has become in some people’s minds. If a church has a long standing tradition of using unfermented fruit of the vine, there is no particular reason to change it any more than if a church never changed from using wine. If we truly are taking the cup in remembrance of Him and proclaiming His death until He comes, what enters the stomach does not defile.

Nathan
Nathan
3 hours ago
Reply to  John Middleton

I agree with your assessment of the history, in part. There’s much to be said about the Second Great Awakening, tent revivals, and the temperance movement of the late 1800s pushing the neglect of sacraments, ecclesial authority, and so on.

As for no reason to change, well, semper reformanda, brother.

PPM
PPM
7 hours ago
Reply to  David Anderson

The people forcing grape juice aren’t choosing it as simply one of the equally valid options allowed by vague language in scripture. They think it is in fact more pleasing than wine. Then they accuse wine people of pharasaism, even though they also have strong opinions on what the cup should be–grape juice! The real reason is “our first-wave feminist wives wouldn’t have sex with us back in the 1800s unless we banned alcohol.” Then this kind of argumentation comes along to retroactively justify it, and the rest of us get in trouble for noticing. If grape juice never was… Read more »