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A couple of stories came to my attention today. One was the decision of California to require a verbal yes at every stage of sexual activity on their college campuses. And if that doesn’t work, they will toughen the law, requiring a “yes, oh yes!” at every stage of the proceedings.

Certain tropes are like indestructible viruses. What will it take to get a super-vaccine that will knock out the notion that liberals have even the slightest concern for personal liberty? They have said ad nauseam they want the government out of our bedrooms — all while regulating every detail of that bedroom’s set up, from the spacing of the sheetrock screws down to the unremovable mattress tag — and people have nonetheless come to believe that they want the government out of our bedrooms. Comes now Jerry Brown, sending his minions to fan out with clipboards, so that they may stand around dorm room beds to exhort the participants to speak up. They have a checklist to maintain.

They justify this foolishness because, they say, there is rape epidemic on campus. They say, also ad nauseam, that one in five women will be the victim of a sexual assault during her time at college. Now if that were even remotely true, how would it not be an argument for parents not to send their daughters to college? How would it not be an argument for daughters to refuse to go? Why has there not been a dramatic upsurge of enrollment in all-women colleges? The answer is that some people use statistics that rhyme with mogus, dogus, and pogus.

Liberals are coercion monkeys. But we have this trope that says they believe in personal freedom. Yeah, well. Anybody who believes that they actually do care about liberty has been a victim of the old trope-a-dope ploy.

The other story was about how an administrative judge (note we are dealing with an executive martinet, not a regular judge) determined that a Kentucky printer was not allowed to refuse business that was promoting gay pride.

Now look at what is happening here. Evangelical printers, cake bakers, florists, and photographers (and other professions to come) are being singled out and targeted because of convictions they have about sexual matters. They are being pressured, hectored, fined, put out of business, so that they will drop their sexual convictions and join the orgy porgy. Liberals don’t exhibit the slightest concern for this kind of thing at all because for them dropping your convictions is the necessary prelude to dropping your shorts.

They are consumed with lust and they are consumed with coercion. We have a name for that.

But in order to keep up the pretense that they actually care about things like sexual consent, they rally to the cause of some sorority girl who had four tequilas too many at a frat party and wound up in the wrong bed. That, my friends, is supposed to be part of the rape epidemic and so we now have a law in California that requires an amorous couple on campus to obtain and grant a verbal green light after the third wink and before the first leer.

We have played this out long enough. Liberals now have enough trope to hang themselves with.

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Robert
Robert
6 years ago

What that printer in KY should do is offer their services to every organization that gays hate, especially the crackpot groups and make sure that it is advertised. The gays are pretty likely to go away after that.

Bro. Steve
Bro. Steve
6 years ago

The liberal war on freedom reaches into places you’d never think about. I work in an industry where continuous surveillance of everyone and everything has become just a normal part of life. There are cameras everywhere. We don’t even think about it any more. As another example, I know a guy who is a 48-state truck driver. I was amazed at the degree of electronic surveillance those guys must endure, everything from electronic logs and GPS units to rollover alarms, radar controlled cruise controls, and e-mails that report them to their bosses every time they make a lane change without… Read more »

David Smith
David Smith
6 years ago

For liberals, morality = law, law = morality; and they regularly make it up as they go along. Genuine Law on the other hand is something they simply not tolerate, since it allows them no wiggle room for their promiscuous, arrogant pretensions.

Robert
Robert
6 years ago

Expect similar devices in you cars care of your insurance company

Jess R. Monnette
Jess R. Monnette
6 years ago

Doug –

Small correction, he isn’t called an administrative judge in his order, he is called a “hearing commissioner” for the “Lexington-Fayette Urban County Human Rights Commission.” His order can be found: http://www.adfmedia.org/files/HOOrecommendation.pdf

Sara
Sara
6 years ago

Just curious: Why do you (seem to) disbelieve the “one in five” statistic? Have you found sources that present contradictory statistics? Do you find the statistic suspect because you find liberals suspect?

RFB
RFB
6 years ago

I think that an even better title for the functionary in question is zampolit.

RFB
RFB
6 years ago

Not Pastor Wilson, but if my daughters or wife thought that they had a 20% chance of being raped if they went to the supermarket or gas station, they would defer the chore to me.

RFB
RFB
6 years ago

Here are some independent stats regarding sexual assault from the FBI for crime in schools and colleges for the indicate years. That does not seem to be 20% of the female school population nationwide.

2000 2001 2002 2003 2004 5-Year Total

Forcible Fondling
1,148 1,479 1,745 1,736 2,085 8,193

Forcible Rape
241 301 320 359 441 1,662

Forcible Sodomy
74 107 108 123 130 542

Sexual Assault With An Object
75 74 101 111 128 489

Statutory Rape
28 32 45 74 101 280

timothy
timothy
6 years ago

Hi @Sara.

Self professed feminist Christina Hoff Sommers debunks the myth.

Web:
http://www.aei.org/article/society-and-culture/race-and-gender/5-feminist-myths-that-will-not-die/

YouTube:

http://youtu.be/7nmr-64XyTw

God Bless.

t

bethyada
6 years ago

California: You are not allowed to proceed until they say yes.

Kentucky: And they are not allowed to say no.

holmegm
holmegm
6 years ago

I predict that your critics will quote only the second to last paragraph, omitting all context. Because that’s so honorable.

Matt
Matt
6 years ago

Actually, if we take the right seriously, this law should be a reason not to send your sons to college, lest they be preyed upon by the feminist succubi. But then maybe everyone is just nodding their heads there. While it’s always fun to get out our resentments about those liberal meanies, a google search reveals that there are rather few liberals actually supporting this law, with most of them making the expected criticisms. One I haven’t seen is that it won’t even work, as the problem with sexual assault on campus is that most of it goes unreported, and… Read more »

timothy
timothy
6 years ago

I look at these people who purport to rule us and think, “I am will not be ruled by such as this”.

By their nature, they cannot stop until mankind is bound and enslaved.

I look at Matt boasting of his chains and calling it freedom and think “this will come to war”.

David R
David R
6 years ago

” people aren’t allowed to exclude others from social or economic life.”

unless those others have Christian beliefs.

David Smith
David Smith
6 years ago

Timothy wrote: “. . . this will come to war.”

Sadly, tragically, I believe you are correct, sir! I hope we are both wrong!

RFB
RFB
6 years ago

Matt,

“…the problem with sexual assault on campus is that most of it goes unreported”

Then upon what do you base a conjecture that it happens. If it is not reported, how did you discover it?

RFB
RFB
6 years ago

These are the official numbers from the U. S. Bureau of Justice Statistics for the indicated years, for the entire population (not just schools and colleges) for the indicated years, with the behavior defined: 2010 2011 2012 2013 Rape/Sexual Assault 268,574 244,188 346,830 300,165 Rape—Unlawful penetration of a person against the will of the victim, with use or threatened use of force, or attempting such an act. Includes psychological coercion and physical force. Forced sexual intercourse means vaginal, anal, or oral penetration by the offender. Also includes incidents where penetration is from a foreign object, such as a bottle. Includes… Read more »

RFB
RFB
6 years ago

trying for better layout:

Rape/Sexual Assault

2010 268,574

2011 244,188

2012 346,830

2013 300,165

Matt
Matt
6 years ago

If it is not reported, how did you discover it?

Unreported to authorities does not mean unreported entirely.

RFB
RFB
6 years ago

Matt, Unless it is “reported to authorities”, which means the official sphere for adjudication, then there is no objective criteria upon which to base the soundness of a report. Just because something is anecdotal does not mean it is wrong; it does mean that it is inconsistent with any scientific method for generating statistics of such data. The first step in the reporting of any crime is a a determination of whether there is objective factual support for the existence of said crime, either in reasonable suspicion leading to further investigation, or probable cause (reviewed and found as such by… Read more »

Matt
Matt
6 years ago

The majority of crimes of any type go unreported, save for those that are very hard to hide like murder. Sexual crimes have an element of shame which makes it worse. You can disregard that if you want, but in that case there is nothing more to say.

Jane Dunsworth
Jane Dunsworth
6 years ago

In that case, we only know that rape accusations are made more often than rapes are reported, not that rapes occur more often, since there is no way to determine whether a rape has occurred if no one with the power to determine whether a crime has occurred, has been informed of it. The most we have is claims and accusations, there’s no such thing as a real statistic about real unreported rapes. This is not to say that all unreported rape claims are not to be believed, but that purported statistics about unreported rapes cannot be relied upon for… Read more »

Jane Dunsworth
Jane Dunsworth
6 years ago

Or make that, a society can’t determine whether “X rapes occurred that were never reported” is an accurate number.

Mike Bull
6 years ago

“They are consumed with lust and they are consumed with coercion. We have a name for that.”

Same principle as the first century Jewish rulers. They condemned the prostitutes and tax collectors, while their own institution was a harlot riding the Roman beast.

Matt
Matt
6 years ago

This is not to say that all unreported rape claims are not to be believed, but that purported statistics about unreported rapes cannot be relied upon for any practical purpose since they’re wholly unverifiable. Self-reports are actually a legitimate crime analysis tool, and the FBI runs a survey dedicated to collecting them. And it’s unwise, to say the least, to just dismiss everything we hear every time it runs afoul of our ideological loyalties. But what’s the goal? Say the rate of sexual assaults on college campuses is only 1 in 10, rather than 1 in 5. Victory? Nothing to… Read more »

timothy
timothy
6 years ago

I was struck, after watching William Lind’s video on the origins of Political Correctness http://youtu.be/EjaBpVzOohs at how Matt’s ideas and Mathew’s ideas in many ways epitomize the triumph of Gramsci’s long march.

Pick a subject : Global Warming, Gender, The Environment, Gay Marriage, Race and when you watch and listen to the passionate, reflexive response of these men, you see the fruit of the Frankfurt School.

Gramsci, Fromm, and Marcuse would be very proud of their handiw0rk.

David R
David R
6 years ago

” Do conservatives believe there is no problem, or do they have a different way to address it?” Conservatives have been addressing this issue for years. We have the solution. We have been screaming from the rooftops, but it falls on deaf ears. – Take personal responsibility. Don’t get stupid drunk. Dont put yourself in an environment that puts you at risk. Own a gun. – End the hookup culture. End it. – Raise your sons and daughters with a moral foundation, preferably Christian, that stresses character, honor, and respect. But whenever we mention these things, we are accused of… Read more »

Jane Dunsworth
Jane Dunsworth
6 years ago

“But what’s the goal? Say the rate of sexual assaults on college campuses is only 1 in 10, rather than 1 in 5. Victory? Nothing to see here? ”

Of course not. Why must you always come up with the most prejudicial possibility?

The goal is simply to say that if you’re going to address something, unreliable facts are not a good starting point. Is that really debatable?

Matt
Matt
6 years ago

Take personal responsibility. Don’t get stupid drunk. Dont put yourself in an environment that puts you at risk. Own a gun. Conservatives are accused of blaming the victim because while this is fine advice (save maybe for the gun, absent any qualifiers), it is not going to be followed all of the time by everyone, and sexual assault shouldn’t be the punishment for letting your guard down. As a policy to reduce sexual assaults, it’s not worth much. Conservatives tend to be far too interested in making sure everyone gets their punishments. Ending the hookup culture, if it actually exists,… Read more »

Matt
Matt
6 years ago

The goal is simply to say that if you’re going to address something, unreliable facts are not a good starting point.

Prejudicial eh? Reported rates of sexual assault are an unreliable fact, so what then?

Jane Dunsworth
Jane Dunsworth
6 years ago

Matt,

Come up with reliable ones using reliable means, I’m surprised that you lack the imagination to come up with that answer yourself, or have any reason to doubt that that would be mine.

Why do I have to convince you that I don’t care about rape? What have I done to give you the impression that I am a heartless and amoral monster? Because that’s what the implication that I’m trying to get everyone not to care about rape amounts to.

Jane Dunsworth
Jane Dunsworth
6 years ago

Sorry, that’s “Why do I have to convince you that I care about rape?”

Matt
Matt
6 years ago

Because that’s what the implication that I’m trying to get everyone not to care about rape amounts to.

Two things here. First is that I don’t know what you’re (or conservatives in general) trying to do here, which is why I’m asking. Second, disputing that there is a social problem of campus rape doesn’t mean you don’t care about rape, though some of the more excitable feminists might say so.

On the statistics, just come clean. What are, to you, the legitimate statistics and what do they tell us?

David R
David R
6 years ago

“Conservatives tend to be far too interested in making sure everyone gets their punishments.” Here is a prime example of declaring that I am blaming the victim. I am not. You seem to be interested in seeing the worst in those you disagree with. Where did I say that rape is punishment for not following certain steps. Stop with the strawmen and engage the argument. All the things I mentioned will reduce the incidents of sexual assault significantly. And when there are bad actors, and there always will be. Then you punish them (the rapists) to the fullest extent of… Read more »

David R
David R
6 years ago

“As a policy to reduce sexual assaults, it’s not worth much”

There is no policy that is worth more or will do more than that of prudence.

Matt
Matt
6 years ago

Let’s try this. Imagine there was a plague of highway robbery. Anytime you traveled, there was a good chance (10%?) that you would be accosted and robbed by thugs. No one would, in response to this, suggest as a public policy idea that travelers should arm themselves or just not travel at all. Those might be suggestions for coping with or mitigating the threat, but not policy to deal with the problem. If the authorities came out and said this as an official response, it would effectively be an admission that they had no control over the territory in question.… Read more »

JohnM
JohnM
6 years ago

Matt, actually the police do give advice regarding personal behavior when it comes to personal safety. It seems to me David R. was also giving advice rather than recommending a public policy. If everybody took the best part of that advice the question of public policy would be moot. Of course everybody will not, hence we want a public policy, but not one that misrepresents the nature and scope of the problem.

Jane Dunsworth
Jane Dunsworth
6 years ago

“Second, disputing that there is a social problem of campus rape doesn’t mean you don’t care about rape, though some of the more excitable feminists might say so.” Where did I dispute that there’s a social problem of rape? I still think that reading such a ridiculous notion into my questioning of one particular statistic and its methodology implies that you have an extremely jaundiced view of my thought processes, even if that is merely a function of lumping me together with other people who are presumably silly enough to think that this would be the one time in history… Read more »

RFB
RFB
6 years ago

Matt, “No one would, in response to this, suggest as a public policy idea that travelers should arm themselves or just not travel at all.” I will disagree, with more than 4 decades of public safety education, training and experience as a buttress to my disagreement. I (and numerous other public safety professionals that I know personally) have said these very things: a. that law enforcement cannot protect you b. that case law up to and including the SCOTUS has decided that law enforcement owes no duty to protect anyone, only to serve to provide a general level of order… Read more »

timothy
timothy
6 years ago

No one would, in response to this, suggest as a public policy idea that travelers should arm themselves or just not travel at all.

I would.

St. Lee
6 years ago

Matt said:

“Character, honor, and respect are great, but who actually disagrees with attempting to instill these in their children?”

Near as I can tell, at least half the population of the U.S.

David Anderson
6 years ago

the decision of California to require a verbal yes at every stage of sexual activity

For this to have meaning, there must be a government body somewhere that is drawing up a list of “stages”. Otherwise, the law would be nonsense.

Will they be indicating which ones can or can’t be left out? Will intercourse be unlawful if any actions are carried out in the wrong order? Is there a menu of government-approved options?

Is a regulator somewhere busy drawing up a list of body parts and sorting them into categories?

timothy
timothy
6 years ago

Is a regulator somewhere busy drawing up a list of body parts and sorting them into categories?

Yes.

And an earnest education major is holding meetings and think-ins on how to include this in common-core kindergarten classes.

Her defenders will be commenting soon.

timothy
timothy
6 years ago

Ann Barnhardt brought an aspect of Romans 1:32 I had not noticed before. Romans 1: 28-32 And as they liked not to have God in their knowledge, God delivered them up to a reprobate sense, to do those things which are not convenient; Being filled with all iniquity, malice, fornication, avarice, wickedness, full of envy, murder, contention, deceit, malignity, whisperers, Detractors, hateful to God, contumelious, proud, haughty, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, foolish, dissolute, without affection, without fidelity, without mercy. Who, having known the justice of God, did not understand that they who do such things, are worthy… Read more »

RFB
RFB
6 years ago

timothy,

Thought you might enjoy this.

timothy
timothy
6 years ago

Hi @RFB. Thank you for the link. I read it. I did not ‘enjoy’ it. I have never shared the pessimism of Eric Ericsonn’s Christianity (streiff’s article being a representative example). I intend to beat the bastards. The tendency of the Church to blow these guys up as some sort of super-men is pathetic. They are weak, mortal, faithless, Godless and God damned. This ticked me off: “I expect to die in bed, my successor will die in prison and his successor will die a martyr in the public square. His successor will pick up the shards of a ruined… Read more »