Tacky Trump Tape

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I will have more to say about this, probably Monday, but I did want to take a moment to tell everyone something important. With the release of this TackyTrumpTape, we all ought to sit down, compose ourselves, and on the count of three, put on our surprised face.

What about this did anyone find surprising? What about this did all the Republicans who endorsed Trump find to be unexpected? And if they found it unexpected, why should we trust any of their political calculations ever again?

And who finds it disconcerting that the banner of “respect for women” will be carried at the debate tomorrow by Hillary “the Enabler” Clinton? As my son just tweeted, either way we go, degradation of women is coming to the White House. And degradation of women will come to the White House because, in just a few weeks, we the people are all going to make it happen.

FDR once glibbed, “We owe it to ourselves!” We can top that — “We did it to ourselves.”

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Blake Baker
Blake Baker
5 years ago

Sorry Nate, it’s not ‘coming’- The degradation of women has LONG been in the White House….

RandMan
RandMan
5 years ago

False Equivalency.

D. D. Douglas
D. D. Douglas
5 years ago
Reply to  RandMan

You are both absolutely correct and missing the point.

Dunsworth
Dunsworth
5 years ago
Reply to  RandMan

What is?

Christian Histo
Christian Histo
5 years ago
Reply to  RandMan

What is false equivalency?

Both Trump and Clinton are anti-women. Clinton might be worse (she sure likes to murder more baby girls).

ashv
ashv
5 years ago

What do you mean “we”?

There are certainly people who did this to themselves. Problem is, they did it to the rest of us too.

Christian Histo
Christian Histo
5 years ago
Reply to  ashv

I think by “we” he means people like you that post pictures of Trump and issue statements of support.

ashv
ashv
5 years ago

It’s not that I particularly like Trump, he’s just better at attacking my enemies than anyone else this year.

Christian Histo
Christian Histo
5 years ago
Reply to  ashv

Better? He is losing worse than anyone could have imagined. Hillary is the worst candidate on the planet and he is getting killed. Haha.

Anyone on the planet could have run a better campaign.

ashv
ashv
5 years ago

I’m not talking about Hillary.

BooneCtyBeek
BooneCtyBeek
5 years ago

There’s nothing new here. Those who have been #NeverTrump understood him early on. It seems that those who voted for him were giving the iconic middle finger to the Republican leadership who betrayed them again and again and again.

Romanized
Romanized
5 years ago
Reply to  BooneCtyBeek

You say this as if the middle finger is just a natural and adult form of communication. A more respectable response to this so-called betrayal may have been to foster a legitimate third party threat.

ashv
ashv
5 years ago
Reply to  Romanized

The era of “respectability” in American politics died about the same time as Jefferson, if not earlier.

jillybean
jillybean
5 years ago
Reply to  ashv

Hamilton had affairs, I have learned from listening to the soundtrack. Over and over again.

Christian Histo
Christian Histo
5 years ago
Reply to  jillybean

I think there was only one documented affair.

ashv
ashv
5 years ago
Reply to  jillybean

Oh dear. I hope you have good counselling available for that degree of trauma.

jillybean
jillybean
5 years ago
Reply to  ashv

I can endure it only for the King George song which I love.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6E_w1yoAb2k&list=PLKhd4xXHagmqPx0dRACeub6y6EKJvAQGw&index=7

Christopher Casey
Christopher Casey
5 years ago
Reply to  jillybean
ashv
ashv
5 years ago

Wouldn’t surprise me if that was the inspiration. Coulton did it better. “It won’t mean half as much to me if I don’t have you here.”

RandMan
RandMan
5 years ago
Reply to  jillybean

That was one of the greatest musicals I have ever seen. Thrilling- top to bottom.

jillybean
jillybean
5 years ago
Reply to  RandMan

The Special Snowflake is going to NYC this month to see it. She bought her ticket nearly a year ago. But the original cast has changed.

RandMan
RandMan
5 years ago
Reply to  jillybean

It will still be great w/o Lin Miranda. His replacement may be even ‘better’ in a sense of allowing himself to inhabit the character w/o the genius playwright baggage. The real loss though is Daveed Diggs who plays LaFayette and Jefferson. He really tore it up and you couldn’t keep your eyes off him. Oozing talent and natural charisma.

jillybean
jillybean
5 years ago
Reply to  RandMan

You know after the opening dum da da dum da da dum , there is that squeaky noise? He got that from the sound of a door creaking on its hinges. This is the trivia with which the Snowflake deluges me. A priest once told me that hearing nuns’ confessions is like being pelted by snowballs. A constant diet of Hamilton trivia is similar. But what happened to poor Peggy?

Ian Miller
5 years ago
Reply to  jillybean

I quite like that song. But I also like most of the rest of the musical – not as great art, but a fun pop musical with its own biases, but also a lot of talent.

tionico
tionico
5 years ago
Reply to  Romanized

to do that, we’d have to identify and promote a DECENT candidate. So far, that one has either been missing, is non-existent, or has been ignored. When some Third Party fields a DECENT candidate, that one will bet my vote. Ron Paul, flawed though he is, got my last Third Party vote.. the pair on offer from the establishment hacks (same despicable clowns are still running the show and using this bit of locker room fantasy from Trump to make him out to be worse than any candidate ever….. I think Ike Eisenhower was the last president we’ve had who… Read more »

BooneCtyBeek
BooneCtyBeek
5 years ago
Reply to  Romanized

In the current cultural climate I would say, sadly, it is a natural and adult form of communication. It appears that Trump voters did not have the intellectual or moral capacity to see this man for whom he was. Early on it was quite obvious he was a vacuous and empty candidate.

ME
ME
5 years ago

“….degradation of women will come to the White House because, in just a few weeks, we the people are all going to make it happen.”

Fortunately I never get invited to the white house.

"A" dad
"A" dad
5 years ago

Q: How would a Trump presidency compare with a Clinton presidency?

A: Close but no cigar.

????

ME
ME
5 years ago
Reply to  "A" dad

Ha!

I dislike all the feigned outrage, the indignation about how we’ve never heard such language before. It’s the height of hypocrisy. Even the most sheltered among us spent a decade hearing cigar jokes about the oval office.

jillybean
jillybean
5 years ago
Reply to  ME

Had most of us known how vulgar and immoral Clinton would turn out to be, he would probably not have got a first let alone a second term. The difference is that this time we know going in that here is a candidate with zero respect for women. I have heard all that language before. I have not heard it from people I am willing to interact with. And it is not merely the language. It is the sniggering, foul attitude toward women in general that I object to. That a woman’s only function in this world is to satisfy… Read more »

Melody
Melody
5 years ago
Reply to  jillybean

You must not have been born yet when Bill Clinton was first elected. Everyone knew about his pecadillos and women whom he had raped – before the first election. He was impeached over the Monica Lewinsky affair before the second election. Everyone knew, despite the fact that there was no internet yet. But when money is coming your way you can easily wink at sin. The reason folks are upset at Trump is because money and power are potentially in danger if he gets elected. I don’t like him – didn’t before all this. I do find it curious that… Read more »

Dunsworth
Dunsworth
5 years ago
Reply to  Melody

Melody, that’s not quite right. The impeachment didn’t take place until 1998, two years into his second term. And while knowledge of Clinton’s adulteries was well-known at the time of his first election, I don’t think the rape and sexual harassment allegations were public until at least after the first election. If they were out there, they weren’t common knowledge the way they became later.

jillybean
jillybean
5 years ago
Reply to  Melody

Actually I am so old that Truman was president the year I was born! I knew almost nothing about Bill Clinton, and in fact had never heard of him till he got the nomination. I wasn’t following politics at all except for reading the front page of the LA Times. The first negative thing I ever heard was I was when a lady sitting next to me on a plane said she was from Arkansas, and I asked her what she thought of him as governor. What she had to say took up the next couple of hours! By then… Read more »

RandMan
RandMan
5 years ago
Reply to  ME

This is about assault. Not sex talk.

ME
ME
5 years ago
Reply to  RandMan

How depressing that we have become so hysterical we now automatically equate male sexuality with assault.

RandMan
RandMan
5 years ago
Reply to  ME

I as a man equate ‘grabbing someone’s p***y’ with assault yes.

ME
ME
5 years ago
Reply to  RandMan

Well now, I don’t wish to be indelicate here, but millions of married people have been doing such things to one another for centuries, consensually even.

RandMan
RandMan
5 years ago
Reply to  ME

He was not talking about consensual activity.

ME
ME
5 years ago
Reply to  RandMan

Well actually, I believe he was talking about consensual activity. He clearly indicated that many women tend to respond positively to such advances from the rich and famous. He’s not wrong there nor does he have have a record of sexual assault, so I think it’s wrong to accuse him of a crime, especially without a complaining witness.

Romanized
Romanized
5 years ago
Reply to  ME

Actually Trump has been accused of assaulting a minor. And just because some women would consent to being assaulted by a billionaire, not all would.

ME
ME
5 years ago
Reply to  Romanized

“….just because some women would consent to being assaulted by a billionaire..”

Can I ask why you are equating sex with assault? It seems to me that if someone consented to having sex with a billionaire, that is not an assault.

Romanized
Romanized
5 years ago
Reply to  ME

Sure. The part where he talks about walking up to strange women and grabbing them in the genitalia. That is assault.

ME
ME
5 years ago
Reply to  Romanized

That is only assault if it is unwanted sexual contact. In Trump’s long and lengthy career in lewdness, he has never engendered a sexual assault charge. Therefore, we must conclude that he is just a braggart making stuff up, or else all his sexual contacts have been consensual.

Romanized
Romanized
5 years ago
Reply to  ME

I’m just commenting on what he said. If he sees a beautiful women he just goes up and grabs them in the genitalia. If your so inclined, sometimes you might “get lucky” and she sleeps with you. Sometimes you might get lucky and she nervously freezes up and just doesn’t respond. Sometimes she calls the cops. As a billionaire I’m sure he’s had more success with this strategy than most. We won’t get far as a society if we have to cast a glance backwards in time to see if an action is criminal. Given a basic definition of the… Read more »

ME
ME
5 years ago
Reply to  Romanized

“If your so inclined, sometimes you might “get lucky” and she sleeps with you.”

If we are still couching this in terms of “getting lucky,” than that implies it is also possible to get unlucky, which indicates a recognition of consent.

“As a billionaire I’m sure he’s had more success with this strategy than most.”

Which seems to indicate that women can be sexually attracted to billionaires, invested in “getting lucky” themselves.

So why than are we automatically presuming assault and criminality?

Romanized
Romanized
5 years ago
Reply to  ME

I addressed the possibility of getting unlucky and said society must define criminality on a set of facts and not the relative “whorishness” of the women Trump associates with. Having grabbed nine successfully, if the tenth is your wife, I don’t expect you to say “Now don’t go assuming criminality folks, maybe my wife’s feeling frisky today.”

ME
ME
5 years ago
Reply to  Romanized

The whorishness of the women Trump associates with? So what are we doing here, slut shaming or defending alleged female virtue?

You have now spun criminality, alleged assault, non consent, all without a complaining witness, based on this set of facts you claim to have. I find that really chilling, because it abandons the law, throws logic out the window and condemns a man based on imaginary victims we have just dreamed up.

Romanized
Romanized
5 years ago
Reply to  ME

“So what are we doing here, slut shaming or defending alleged female virtue?”
Both. And Trump is the chief slut.

“All without a complaining witness.”
Trump was the witness. It’s called a confession.

“I find that really chilling.”
When you dance with the devil even the hottest of takes will seem “chilling.”

ashv
ashv
5 years ago
Reply to  Romanized

There’s a reason women get called sluts and men don’t.

Ilion
Ilion
5 years ago
Reply to  ashv

There’s a reason women get called sluts and men don’t.

The reason is because men (generally) disapprove of sluttish behavior and women (generally) don’t.

Doug Wright
Doug Wright
5 years ago
Reply to  ME

Many of these guys are wasting valuable time keyboarding when they could be monitoring the local club for assault on the dance floor/a nightly thing in that logic; so take ur sjw cape anc do some good it for sure will not affect the role as president. But you may help the Hill by giving this to her. Oh, and if you cant convince any club girl to press charges, dont worry afterall the molestation is only the physical kind

jillybean
jillybean
5 years ago
Reply to  ME

Read what Romanized said, and try to picture this. Trump said he goes up to beautiful women and grabs them in the genitalia. You say this is fine if he first got consent. Are you seriously suggesting he goes up to some attractive woman and says, “Hi, I’m Donald. May I grab your pudenda?” Because if he doesn’t, it is sexual assault.

ME
ME
5 years ago
Reply to  jillybean

“Are you seriously suggesting he goes up to some attractive woman and says, “Hi, I’m Donald. May I grab your pudenda?”

Yes,as a matter of fact, I think that’s quite plausible. Women have been throwing themselves at Trump for some time. He’s actually had to fend women off.

Ever been to rock concert, Jilly? Seen George Clooney? Some of those guys actually have body guards to protect them from women.

jillybean
jillybean
5 years ago
Reply to  ME

Many rock concerts, where I have never been molested. Even back in my Deadhead days. Yes, there are women who throw themselves at celebrities. That is not the issue here. The fact that some women happily consent to sex with strangers does not vitiate sexual assault laws. The fact that some deranged soul might want Trump to grab her crotch doesn’t make it okay for him to do that to women in general. If he needs a platoon of body guards to keep him safe from women grabbing him, he is still guilty of assault if he tries that trick… Read more »

RandMan
RandMan
5 years ago
Reply to  jillybean

Jilly, the seriousness of the current subject matter aside, I never would have taken you for a GDead fan! I have many hours (that I cannot ever get back) invested in seeing that band even though Jerry and Co. were never my thing. Many close friends would drag me to shows from the south, to new england, all the way to Oregon (w Bob Dylan sitting in.) I could never really stomach their rambling, noodle-y, diatonic music but one night I took a hit of lsd (with MC Escher printed on it) in the parking lot. A few hours later… Read more »

jillybean
jillybean
5 years ago
Reply to  RandMan

Just the beginning of “Uncle John’s Band” brings back waves of contentment.

And that was without acid which I was always too much of a scaredy-cat to try. Working on a crisis line in my early twenties was enough to frighten me off!

JL
JL
5 years ago
Reply to  jillybean

Jilly! Bobby spit on me.

I thought I was the only straight person at the shows.

"A" dad
"A" dad
5 years ago
Reply to  RandMan

Old joke:

What did the two hippies say when they ran out of pot?

Hey! This music s_cks.

tionico
tionico
5 years ago
Reply to  ME

on the other hand, we have a known track record of Clinton Willie and some pretty rauhcny behaviour with various females, much of it forced or coerced… actual encoutners, and his “wife”, now seeking the position he once held, has worked hard at making life miserable and dangerous (even terminated) for those females who were assaulted, some repeatedly, by her husband.. in other words, she did a fine job of “upholding” the value of the women her “husband” used to satisfy his own perversions. So this gutter talk of Trump’s is worse than Clinton He’s sexual conduct, including assaults and… Read more »

mkt
mkt
5 years ago
Reply to  tionico

Yep. I recently listened to a non-political podcast by a young author who slept with two women who had also slept with Slick Willie. Both of them even described him in bed the same way. There’s no telling how many affairs he’s had, and I wouldn’t doubt some of it was forced. He’s certainly been accused of it.

Jonathan
Jonathan
5 years ago
Reply to  ME

He’s been accused of sexual assault at least five times. By at least two Miss Universe contestants, a NYT reporter, his own ex-wife, and, most recently, a minor.

mkt
mkt
5 years ago
Reply to  Jonathan

Were their names Juanita Broaddrick, Kathleen Willey, Paula Jones and Eileen Wellstone? Oh wait, we can’t talk about that guy…

Dunsworth
Dunsworth
5 years ago
Reply to  mkt

We don’t need to talk about that guy because nobody in this room is defending him. We all know what he is.

Ilion
Ilion
5 years ago
Reply to  Dunsworth

And we know what his wife, the candidate, is

mkt
mkt
5 years ago
Reply to  Dunsworth

Au contraire. Though he denies it, Jonathan often defends Hillary and Obama here. He may criticize them occasionally, but gives them every benefit of the doubt, while believing every tabloid story about Trump. He claims what Bill did 20 years ago is irrelevant. Of course, Bill is probably still philandering, and his wife will probably be elected our next president soon. If Trump’s past and locker room talk is such an issue, then the Clintons moving back to the White House is as well. And for the record, I’ve heard similar talk to Trump’s in locker rooms, the military and… Read more »

Jonathan
Jonathan
5 years ago
Reply to  mkt

though he denies it, Jonathan often defends Hillary and Obama here. I deny it because it’s not true. I “often” defend Clinton/Obama here? First off, we’re talking on the issue of Bill’s serial adultery, something I have certainly never, ever defended here. Second of all, I have a hard time remembering if I have ever spoken about Hillary positively, even in context. If someone put out a straight lie or a ridiculous conspiracy theory, I might have corrected it. (Like I did in extreme detail for Bush recently on the whole 9/11 conspiracy trash.) But where have I “defended” her?… Read more »

Jonathan
Jonathan
5 years ago
Reply to  mkt

Well, “that guy” hasn’t had an election in 20 years, so you can talk about him all you want but it isn’t very relevant. He’s been roundly criticized by Christians quite a bit already. The idea that, “I’ll just deflect from Donald Trump because someone else is a deplorable sinner” is nonsensical.

mkt
mkt
5 years ago
Reply to  Jonathan

Oh, so the fact that Hillary’s husband is a serial adulterer, who’s been accused of rape and assault, is totally irrelevant? Only if you have a completely warped view of sin and family.

Really, dude. Just stop the posturing and admit you’re an Obama/Hillary apologist.

Jonathan
Jonathan
5 years ago
Reply to  mkt

Yes, Hillary’s husband’s actions are entirely irrelevant to Trump’s actions. As is Obama – no idea where you’re bringing that it from. And I’ve condemned Clinton plenty and won’t support her.

But none of that has anything to do with Trump. Trump’s actions are relevant to Trump’s actions, and not anyone else’s.

What kind of warped view of “sin and family” do you have where Bill Clinton’s practice of adultery justifies support of Donald Trump’s practice of serial adultery, the chasing of married women, the justification of the sexual assault of women, and his general lust and objectification of women?

Jonathan
Jonathan
5 years ago
Reply to  Jonathan

And now also a People magazine reporter, a women whose business did work with his, a woman who sat next to him during a plane flight, a woman working with a photographer on his premises, and a Miss USA contestant.

Not to mention the report from four Miss Teen USA contestants that he walked in on them as they were changing. He has already publicly admitted to walking in on Miss USA contestants as they were changing, because he “owned the place.”

jillybean
jillybean
5 years ago
Reply to  ME

It’s really rather simple. If you are married to someone, you can have whatever kind of sex the two of you agree on. If you are not married to someone, the law strongly discourages you grabbing his or her sexual organs unless they explicitly consent. Stating the desire out loud, even if you don’t intend to carry it out, is considered by virtually everyone to be ungentlemanly at the very least.

I don”t equate male sexuality, which I tend to approve of and enjoy, with a universal desire to assault good-looking strangers.

Doug Wright
Doug Wright
5 years ago
Reply to  ME

Deplorable

jillybean
jillybean
5 years ago
Reply to  RandMan

Around here you can still go to jail for it!

Doug Wright
Doug Wright
5 years ago
Reply to  RandMan

Yes, one should never do that, icky women have that/what do you call it-oh yeah “p***y”

RandMan
RandMan
5 years ago
Reply to  Doug Wright

Ok Doug.

jillybean
jillybean
5 years ago
Reply to  ME

Have you gone over to the Dark Side? Will we find you on the alt-right sites you used to find so disgusting?

ME
ME
5 years ago
Reply to  jillybean

It’s rather challenging to respond to you Jilly, since you have instructed me not to respond to you.

Somewhat funny, but now that I think about it, I think that’s a dilemma many men face with women.

jillybean
jillybean
5 years ago
Reply to  ME

What is the dilemma? Wanting to grab p***y belonging to total strangers? Is that what men are like where you like? Men are men and sheep are nervous?

ME
ME
5 years ago
Reply to  jillybean

LOL! Oh good grief, your indignation is downright comical, Jilly.

Actually, yes in my neck of the woods the men are men but the sheep do not run scared. Neither do the women.

This faux outrage, this virtue signaling, this portrayal of sexuality as something shameful, only involving predators and prey is really foreign to me. It’s like another world.

RandMan
RandMan
5 years ago
Reply to  ME

You are being purposefully obtuse and ignoring the facts here. Trolling does not become you.

ME
ME
5 years ago
Reply to  RandMan

“You are being purposefully obtuse and ignoring the facts here.”

Okay. But you are being a patronizing simpleton who seems to believe that women must be instructed in the facts regarding our own alleged victimization and should we fail to comply with your instruction we are being “obtuse.”

RandMan
RandMan
5 years ago
Reply to  ME

Pointing out that you are ignoring an important distinction is hardly patronizing. Trump himself implied as much in the transcript. ‘She was asking for it’ in so many words. ‘Who cares what means yes, I’m famous and rich.’ Her wishes are nil. This a guy who assaults women. Trump: Yeah, that’s her. With the gold. I better use some Tic Tacs just in case I start kissing her. You know, I’m automatically attracted to beautiful — I just start kissing them. It’s like a magnet. Just kiss. I don’t even wait. And when you’re a star, they let you do… Read more »

jillybean
jillybean
5 years ago
Reply to  ME

Well, if you are amused by it, that is nice for you and doesn’t hurt me. I am absolutely unable to understand why you, of all people, find nothing wrong with Trump’s behavior on the tape. You have told us repeatedly how disgusted you have been by alt-right sites that view women as sluts, as brainless little sluts who are good for only one thing. I took you seriously. I have agreed, in the past, with some of your statements about the foulness of such attitudes towards women. But now you appear to be defending Trump’s attitude as normal male… Read more »

ME
ME
5 years ago
Reply to  jillybean

“There is something shameful in sexual assault. Are you really unable to make this distinction?”

We have no complaining witness, we have no criminal complaint and yet you would what, place someone on a sex offender registry simply because you find their behavior to be crass?

It’s ironic, the only people who seem to be able to do sex in the socially acceptable way these days seem to be homosexuals. Us heterosexuals are all potential criminals whose very sexuality is shameful, oppressive.

jillybean
jillybean
5 years ago
Reply to  ME

If you can refrain from grabbing strangers’ sexual organs, you need have no fear of being viewed as a criminal. You are posing a false alternative: either heterosexuals should be free to hit on the unwilling, or else they are being shamed and oppressed. By the way, even gays are expected to observe the nicety of getting consent before initiating sex. Where did I mention a sex offender registry? But, in my opinion, a certain level of crassness directed toward women is a very good reason not to vote for someone. But you still haven’t explained why you hate this… Read more »

ashv
ashv
5 years ago
Reply to  jillybean

If you can refrain from grabbing strangers’ sexual organs, you need have no fear of being viewed as a criminal.

I, uh, can’t really think of a good way to explain how wrong this is, so I’m going to just stick with “Bless your heart”.

ME
ME
5 years ago
Reply to  jillybean

“You are posing a false alternative: either heterosexuals should be free to hit on the unwilling..”

Why do you insist on declaring every woman is unwilling?

“….you still haven’t explained why you hate this attitude on PUA sites…”

First off, I was complaining about the alt right, not pua’s but specifically the rampant racism, the outright violent fantasies towards women, the way they are radicalizing young men. If I remember correctly, you attempted to defend that quarter several times.

So apparently your indignation and offense is somewhat selective.

jillybean
jillybean
5 years ago
Reply to  ME

I must have have learned it from you. I am saying that I don’t believe there are many women who are willing to have their crotch grabbed by strangers, even rich and powerful strangers. This is not rocket science. So now we know you don’t have an issue with PUAs and you don’t have a problem with men grabbing strange women by the crotch. Only with men who might have violent fantasies or racist thoughts at the time. Do you have any sympathy for the woman who might not like having her crotch grabbed by a total stranger? Or is… Read more »

ME
ME
5 years ago
Reply to  jillybean

“I am saying that I don’t believe there are many women who are willing to have their crotch grabbed by strangers, even rich and powerful strangers.” You also told me you didn’t believe the sexual abuse of children was much of a problem in Hollywood. So I am supposed to ignore outright racism, disregard violent sexual fantasies, ignore a political movement misappropriating scripture and negatively influencing our election, and instead just zero in on some consensual heterosexual indignation and offense perpetuated by the rich and famous? Perhaps you’re right. It sounds like a lot more fun. I shall clutch my… Read more »

jillybean
jillybean
5 years ago
Reply to  ME

I told you the last time you made that statement that you were in error. If you repeat it, then you are lying. I said that during my considerable time on Hollywood sets supervising a minor child, I saw no sexual abuse of children. I also explained, as I recall, the elaborate precautions taken to ensure their safety on the set. I stand by that statement.

I guess we all have different standards of crassness, lewdness, and vulgarity. Mine don’t make me want to faint. They make me want to avoid people who are crass, lewd, and vulgar.

Doug Wright
Doug Wright
5 years ago
Reply to  jillybean

‘You can do it’ means you DID do it? In what worlds?…aaaand if you did and ‘can’ then he could and thus no assault/buuut its just bravado genius

RandMan
RandMan
5 years ago
Reply to  Doug Wright

This is a presidential candidate explaining exactly why it is okay for him to assault women and specifically how he will do it.

Doug Wright
Doug Wright
5 years ago
Reply to  RandMan

Iyou cant assault the willing, be real

Doug Wright
Doug Wright
5 years ago
Reply to  RandMan

Theres a test for low testoterone, symptoms are perfume overspray and purse toting too near the bodoir

jillybean
jillybean
5 years ago
Reply to  Doug Wright

Men who disapprove of sexual assault suffer from low T? Really? I have always wondered about this. I suppose you must have some female relative you have affection for. Would it bother you if a guy assaulted her sexually, or do you think that’s just what she was put on earth for, so to speak? To accommodate all the guys with high T.

Doug Wright
Doug Wright
5 years ago
Reply to  jillybean

Slander is a far more destructive kind of talk

Doug Wright
Doug Wright
5 years ago
Reply to  RandMan

No if isnt

Doug Wright
Doug Wright
5 years ago
Reply to  ME

All the outraged , p ryans are just hurt no one is on their p_y

Rob Steele
Rob Steele
5 years ago

Not surprised, not even disappointed. Still voting for him. H is *that* bad.

"A" dad
"A" dad
5 years ago
Reply to  Rob Steele

John f. Kennedy was:

A. Mr. Clean?

B. A lounge Lizard?

C. Another of Harvard’s finest?

D. An average democrat?

???? ????

ashv
ashv
5 years ago
Reply to  "A" dad

E: Papist.

Rob Steele
Rob Steele
5 years ago
Reply to  "A" dad

B, C, & uber Democrat, though he’d be to the right of Trump.

"A" dad
"A" dad
5 years ago
Reply to  Rob Steele

JFK reinvented the “Monroe” doctrine as well, at least with regard to Marylyn!
????

jillybean
jillybean
5 years ago
Reply to  "A" dad

It’s not just morality, it is manners and class. Do you have any trouble imagining Trump calling Princess Kate a nice piece of #$% he’d like to #$$^?

Jonathan
Jonathan
5 years ago
Reply to  jillybean

He already said that about Princess Diana a few years back…even repeated it after her death.

"A" dad
"A" dad
5 years ago
Reply to  jillybean

Jilly, I am not defending the Donald , I am for the equal application of “alleged outrage”.
My implication is that Trump is almost as sketchy as a Clinton, aka,

“Close but no cigar.” ????

The two choices are no Ronald Reagan.

Ilion
Ilion
5 years ago
Reply to  jillybean

Well, Kate *is* a slut, after all.

ArwenB
ArwenB
5 years ago
Reply to  jillybean

Sorry, Jillybean, TPTB have declared manners and class racist, sexist, and an artifact of an oppressive patriarchy, so no appeal to such outmoded concepts will be accepted.

Please make your appeal to the appropriate Politically Correct Standard of Behavior and Language, as defined in the IngSoc newSpeak Dictionary

RandMan
RandMan
5 years ago
Reply to  "A" dad

Irrelevant. JFK may have had affairs, but he was not recorded boasting about using his celebrity to get away with sexually assaulting coworkers.

ashv
ashv
5 years ago
Reply to  RandMan

Nobody here cares what behaviour you approve or disapprove of.

RandMan
RandMan
5 years ago
Reply to  ashv

Says the guy with a wooden cross and can of gas in the back of his truck.

ashv
ashv
5 years ago
Reply to  RandMan

It’s adaptive to my environment.

"A" dad
"A" dad
5 years ago
Reply to  RandMan

Hey randi, hope things are evolving on your end!????
Just so you know, I am interested in the Comic equivalency of this issue!

My thought is that actions speak louder than words.

I just hope the Clintons don’t abuse more cigars with this issue.

Defenseless cigars are some of the innocent victims here!????

"A" dad
"A" dad
5 years ago
Reply to  RandMan

On the other hand, MLK was recorded in the act of his affair, then the FBI sent the audio to Mrs. King. That was cold, not to mention illegal. I could be wrong, but JFK and RFK may have “presided” over that move. Also, JFK’s intern mistresses have written books about their times as white house concubines, so JFK’s conquests or predations are on record. Now is a good time to re-iterate that everything everyone has said is being recorded, and we will all have to face the Just Judge about our “record”. In heaven, there is only one good… Read more »

Jonathan
Jonathan
5 years ago
Reply to  "A" dad

Yes, that all happened back in the day when sexual affairs were things to be ashamed of which could destroy a person’s image and career, a stigma that Trump supporters are doing everything they can to remove right now.

I’m not sure about JFK presiding over that move and I’m almost certain RFK didn’t. J. Edgar Hoover’s feelings about the Civil Rights Movement were often at odds with his presidents’, and sometimes he acted as a lone wolf. Not to say, of course, that JFK didn’t have horrible sexual ethics.

mkt
mkt
5 years ago
Reply to  Jonathan

“Not to say, of course, that JFK didn’t have horrible sexual ethics.”

As did MLK.

Jonathan
Jonathan
5 years ago
Reply to  mkt

I’m not certain about MLK. He definitely had horrible sexual practice. I haven’t read enough, but I got the impression that it was something he knew was sin, but kept falling into (due to long trips on the road under extreme stress and his personal weakness in that area) even though he knew he couldn’t justify it.

I’m not 100% on that, it’s just my impression. But there’s certainly a difference between an addict who knows what he’s doing is wrong, and a peddler who justifies himself in his own eyes and others as not a sinner at all.

jillybean
jillybean
5 years ago
Reply to  mkt

Yes, they both did, sad to say.

jillybean
jillybean
5 years ago
Reply to  Jonathan

From what I’ve read, Hoover got RFK as AG to agree to the bugging because he kept claiming MLK was a national security threat. I don’t think either Kennedy had anything to do with sending the tapes to Mrs. King.

"A" dad
"A" dad
5 years ago
Reply to  Jonathan

Not to worry J’, if you or I ever went “lounge lizard”, our Heavenly Father would chasten us. Seems likely that John, Martin, Bill and Don have been chastened as well. Sin will always be sin, with Grace, repentance and redemption the only cure.

Nathan Brunaugh
Nathan Brunaugh
5 years ago

I wonder if Pastor Wilson had this post pre-written. The Donald’s behavior toward women over the years is such that this type of thing was bound to happen. In fact, this was so sure to happen, Trump supporters should have pre-written their responses…I’m thinking some did.

jillybean
jillybean
5 years ago

I am wondering if there are other tapes waiting to drop.

Jonathan
Jonathan
5 years ago

As horrible as the tapes are, anyone who is pretending that they didn’t already know this about Trump is either uniformed, lying, or lying to themselves. Some of us have been calling it for what it is for months.

denise njim
denise njim
5 years ago

Well, I would be embarrassed about things I said and did when I wasn’t saved yet! Which one of you wants to throw that first stone?These were statements from 12 years ago. Trump has responded with repenting, apology and a promise to become a better man… something I would expect to see happen from a new convert, which he does claim to be! The DNC however, is the party of perpetual guilt, anyone who is guilty of anything…ever, will never see grace, restoration or pardon from any of them. And the DNC seems to have given Obama, Weiner and both… Read more »

jillybean
jillybean
5 years ago
Reply to  denise njim

I think there is a huge difference between throwing the first stone and evaluating some’s fitness for public office. I have not seen in Trump’s discourse during this campaign very much evidence of humility, charity, or grace. It’s not for me to doubt his conversion, but even if he is incredibly sincere as a new Christian, it would be nice if he learned some self-awareness, self-knowledge, and self-control before taking office. What has Mrs. Clinton said that is equally sexual and crass?

Jonathan
Jonathan
5 years ago
Reply to  denise njim

Trump has claimed to have been a Christian since childhood. When are you claiming that Trump wasn’t “saved” then or that he’s a new convert? Because he hasn’t claimed that himself. We also don’t have the slightest evidence that his behavior has changed since then.

And it continues to sicken me that “crass words” seem to be the thing so many Christians are focusing on here. There isn’t the slightest evidence that Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama has ever done anything remotely like this, and Bill Clinton never had another election after the real evidence about him came out.

Doug Wright
Doug Wright
5 years ago

do you know what is far more tacky? Then all the tapes I won’t listen to? And all the. Fraud and traitor work- The lying wars distruction to men and their families and children? It’s that the church would fall over itself in competition with feminism so that it’s only purpose is to control men’s behavior for everything else it has become completely irrelevant

Doug Wright
Doug Wright
5 years ago

Joke, why no prosecution? Totlly unrelated

Matt
Matt
5 years ago

I watched the video, and honestly…not that bad. I was expecting something worse, but this is more or less what I would have expected from any famous person. It would have been a story if he had been a gentleman and a scholar behind closed doors, but he isn’t even one with open doors, so yeah. The media is going on about sexual assault, but Trump doesn’t talk about it that way–“can do anything” seems to refer more to what women will let you do–and his story of the failed seduction implies otherwise. I don’t know, someone who gets the… Read more »

Rob Steele
Rob Steele
5 years ago
Reply to  Matt

Wasn’t the point of his remarks that he had failed? And how uncharacteristic that was? My impression having not seen or heard it is that he was surprised and wanted to compare notes.

Jonathan
Jonathan
5 years ago
Reply to  Matt

Christian culture has really fallen when the justification of sin can get this high.

Matt
Matt
5 years ago
Reply to  Jonathan

I’m pretty far from a booster of Christian culture, but what sins are being justified?

Jonathan
Jonathan
5 years ago
Reply to  Matt

Lust, most of all.

Matt
Matt
5 years ago
Reply to  Jonathan

Not necessarily. Again, I read the media’s hysterical take first, so when I watched the actual video I expected Trump to give a first hand account of raping someone. But instead he just talks about being an ass, and we already knew that about him.

Given, the Christian “family values” crowd, if they wish to preserve what credibility remains to them, probably ought to get off the bus now.

Duells Quimby
Duells Quimby
5 years ago

Yes, one wants to say they’re ‘shocked, SHOCKED”!

ashv
ashv
5 years ago

So Trump put out an apology for this. “I’ve never said I’m a perfect person, nor pretended to be someone that I’m not. I’ve said and done things I regret. I said it, it was wrong, and I apologize.” Any of y’all going to revise those statements about him never admitting fault or showing any humility?

Rob Steele
Rob Steele
5 years ago
Reply to  ashv

I think admitting that he failed with a woman he really put the moves on was more humble.

Jonathan
Jonathan
5 years ago
Reply to  ashv

Yes, this was the closest thing to an apology we’ve ever seen from Trump. Obviously, his campaign made him do it, as he hadn’t apologized to anyone (including his wife) for it in the previous 11 years. The thing that shocked me is that he apologized for “I said it”, rather than, you know, cheating on his wife or sexually assaulting women or objectifying women or trying to move in on a married woman.

ArwenB
ArwenB
5 years ago
Reply to  Jonathan

As apologies go that’s actually a pretty good one.

Much better than “I’m sorry you were offended” or “I’m sorry that this came out.”

And, Jonathan, everyone spouting outrage is spouting it about what he said, not what he did, so of course he’s only going to apologise for saying it.

Jonathan
Jonathan
5 years ago
Reply to  ArwenB

That’s simply false. Anderson Cooper directly addressed during the debate that what he DID – bragging about going after women before even getting their consent – was at issue. Not to mention TRYING to interfere with other people’s marriages and openly mocking your own marriage vows. And that’s just on the “what he did” and “what he said” scale. But there’s also “what he thought” – and all the evidence not only from this video, but from the rest of his life, is that he doesn’t think of women as people so much as sexual objects to be judged and… Read more »

ArwenB
ArwenB
5 years ago
Reply to  Jonathan

Not to mention TRYING to interfere with other people’s marriages and openly mocking your own marriage vows.

No one but Christians actually cares about this. If they did we wouldn’t have no-fault divorce, polyamory, and all of the other sexual and familial pathologies of a dying society.

he doesn’t think of women as people so much as sexual objects to be judged and conquered.

So?

Jonathan
Jonathan
5 years ago
Reply to  ArwenB

Here is from Trump’s own Faith Advisory Council who makes the point well: Mr. Trump’s comments released yesterday—though 10 years ago (he was 60)—are not just sophomoric or locker room banter. They are truly the kind of misogynistic trash that reveals a man to be lecherous and worthless—not the guy who gets politely ignored, but the guy who gets a punch in the head from worthy men who hear him talk that way about women. I have a wife of 33 years, a daughter, and 2 daughters in law. I am not able to offer my time any further without… Read more »

Matt
Matt
5 years ago
Reply to  ashv

The apology is interesting. Trump isn’t actually sorry about anything, nor does anyone attacking Trump want him to be sorry about anything. The actual object-level behavior is irrelevant, it’s just a proxy for “Trump is evil and needs to go away”.

jigawatt
jigawatt
5 years ago

Not trying to justify or support Trump, but this sort of thing would be ho-hum and yawn if it was Hillary.

Why is it that with two absolutely terrible candidates, only one has his party turning on him? While in reality they might be near equals, Hillary’s known failings should be far more devastating to someone seeking the nation’s highest office.

Yes, I am #NeverHillary and #NeverTrump. Just like I was a year ago.

jillybean
jillybean
5 years ago
Reply to  jigawatt

I think that if Hillary was caught bragging about grabbing people’s crotches, nobody would be yawning. It would be She did what? Whose?

Jonathan
Jonathan
5 years ago
Reply to  jillybean

If this was Hillary Clinton, you’re right that people would be shocked, and her campaign would obviously be over. The fake imagined moral equivalence to justify sickening behavior is disgusting.

jigawatt
jigawatt
5 years ago
Reply to  Jonathan

It might be true that her campaign would be over, but it would be yet another illogical move by the left. Illogical only because her party hasn’t turned on her for the stuff she’s already done. I’m not at all trying to make a moral equivalence between what Hillary has done to what Trump has said. Her actions are far worse.

And, as I said above, I’m not justifying Trump. His words were, how should I put it, … deplorable.

St. Lee
5 years ago
Reply to  Jonathan

Quote: “If this was Hillary Clinton, you’re right that people would be shocked, and her campaign would obviously be over”

That is hilarious. The party of anti morality dumping Hillary for something immoral? Yup, just like they deserted her husband when all of his sexual escapades came to light years ago.

Who knew Jonathan was such a comedian?

Matt
Matt
5 years ago
Reply to  jillybean

Hillary doing such things would definitely be newsworthy solely from a man bites dog perspective. Women typically don’t behave this way.

Doug Wright
Doug Wright
5 years ago

Im really shocked that WE have let a reality (facilitated?) that doesnt welcome men home eternally with their ‘business’, but the world is thus/thank YOU btw!
Yes confidence and agressiveness might be counterintuitive. BUT it works-so there you go Billy…. Trust me if your confident/ perhaps good looking or rich you can get away with forwardness, glad its in the past for me, but loniliness aint, so thanks again sjw ‘christians.

Doug Wright
Doug Wright
5 years ago

Kill em right in the p$$y
-Hillary

Frank_in_Spokane
Frank_in_Spokane
5 years ago

Just waded through scores of posts, articles and comments on Facebook that essentially say the only thing Trump was guilty of in that tape was “having a potty mouth” or “using naughty language.”

One such comment: “Only pussies are offended at what Trump said.” Another: “If what Trump said in 2005 offends you, you never would have survived 241 years of Marine language.”

What kind of Marine would tolerate Trump moving on” his wife or daughter “like a bitch”?

Jonathan
Jonathan
5 years ago

It’s completely shocking to me that some sort of “Christian culture” has gotten to the point where offensive language is somehow worse than objectifying women, sexually assaulting women, using your power to take advantage of women sexually, committing adultery, and trying to coerce a woman into cheating on her husband.

JohnM
JohnM
5 years ago
Reply to  Jonathan

There is a connection between offensive language and offensive behavior. They both start from within, they both reveal the person. When a man is a habitually foul talker there is no reason to be surprised when we find he is foul in his behavior.

Jonathan
Jonathan
5 years ago
Reply to  JohnM

This is true, but it’s the opposite of what his defenders are saying right now.

jillybean
jillybean
5 years ago

Or the new tapes from CNN when Trump told Stern that Stern could call Trump’s daughter a great piece of ass. I can’t imagine a Marine (or a Christian or a dad or anyone who is marginally conscious) tolerating that, either.

Ilion
Ilion
5 years ago

The some sort of Marine who promotes a culture in which women in general are sluts. Which is to say, *most* Marines.

Qodesmith
Qodesmith
5 years ago

Only politicians get applauded for their over-abundant naivety – which isn’t naivety at all, just a bunch of grandstanding. If you have a pulse / breath in the lungs, then you know that these court jesters we call politicians have to start juggling when the “music” of some decade old tape showing someone saying something offensive starts playing. If you don’t juggle, it’s off with your head via the all supreme politically correct “we-the-people”. Thank God I’m not a politician. I would’ve lost my head before the show even began.

Doug Wright
Doug Wright
5 years ago

I hope all the aborted children. Guys who lose jobs to her “open boarders” or kids that are taken by the state given advisement uder Clinton will receive an apology from you.

ME
ME
5 years ago

Not that anyone cares, but I am most annoyed with the culture, with the evangelical response to Trump, the odd values expressed there. So we have a man with some shady business dealings,who never pays taxes, full of bluster and bravado, but other wise completely unqualified,who has 3 times now, declared that he does not believe in the need for forgiveness redemption, or sin, or the cross……and yet many people have held him up or propped him up, declaring him to be the Christian candidate, how he is a good man, how he will save the country. Trump could do… Read more »

David
David
5 years ago

Doug is actually right about Trump blowing up the GOP. I thought the GOPers would go along with Trump. Would Lincoln himself support Trump as the Republican candidate?

Melody
Melody
5 years ago

Ah, the sexual revolution was supposed to free us all to “live and let live” or “if it feels good, do it.” That worked for Bill Clinton and JFK. Not so good for the Donald.

Joshua Lister
Joshua Lister
5 years ago

Trump thinks women ought to be slaves and Clinton thinks women ought to be men.

mkt
mkt
5 years ago

That fly landing on Hillary during the debate.,,what could be more fitting?!

jigawatt
jigawatt
5 years ago
Reply to  mkt

I don’t know why Trump didn’t bring up Kathy Shelton again when Hillary said she worked for the Children’s Defense Fund.

Jonathan
Jonathan
5 years ago
Reply to  jigawatt

Well, as a “strategy” it might work. As the truth, Clinton never wanted to take that case and asked at least once to be removed from it before the case started. That’s not a defense of Clinton’s ethics in general, but to attack a defense lawyer for the “ethics” of defending a client she has been assigned to is a weak attack.

jigawatt
jigawatt
5 years ago
Reply to  Jonathan

This new article needs to be noted in this discussion. I suggest anyone interested would read it in its entirety. http://thefederalist.com/2016/11/01/hillary-clinton-learned-manipulate-law-defending-child-rapist/ Particularly of interest: Whether or not Hillary was “court-appointed,” it was still fully her decision to voluntarily accept the case knowing the savagely beaten and raped victim was a young girl. This decision goes against Hillary’s proclamations of being a champion for women and defender of children. and When an attorney agrees to defend a client—even a guilty client—she still has complete control over whether to employ defense strategies that qualify as unethical, immoral, or illegal. The anti-feminist, blame-the-rape-victim… Read more »

"A" dad
"A" dad
5 years ago
Reply to  mkt

Drawing flies is one thing, drawing endictments is quite another.

HRC drawing several endictments would be much more fitting. ; – )

Doug Wright
Doug Wright
5 years ago

When is the sjw bible coming out-you know where even if she doesnt cry out shes ‘protected'(after the fact of course)?

mkt
mkt
5 years ago
Reply to  Doug Wright

Her smug, smiling grandmom routine is plain revolting.

Doug Wright
Doug Wright
5 years ago
Reply to  mkt

Tell me all py shes grabbed was with affirmative consent

"A" dad
"A" dad
5 years ago
Reply to  mkt

How dare you!
That fly’s in the face of…….

Oh, wait……????

(I think that fly is now for sale on eBay!)

Ilion
Ilion
5 years ago
Reply to  "A" dad

Hmmmm … is this now a “thing” with Democrats? Recall the fly checking out the Obamanation’s mouth at some public venue?

Ilion
Ilion
5 years ago

Douglas Wilson:the banner of “respect for women”

When American women, in general, are worthy of respect, then maybe I’ll be upset that Trump spoke of sluts as though they were sluts.

Doug Wright
Doug Wright
5 years ago

“I know Hills bad too…,’ never talk about it though/shes a woman afterall https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_B6XSmI4JY&app=desktop

timothy
timothy
5 years ago

Here are two contributing authors from American Greatness (nee The Journal of American Greatness) who, without using the “P-word” which drives American Christendom to the fainting couch, make the point I so inadequately conveyed (now made even more inadequate by the fact it is invisible! having been removed ). Many of the comments, unlike this site (which I love) are measured, mature and clear-eyed and do not faint at the sight of a word, or flee at the fact that men sin. They see more than many here do. I especially enjoy the women who have more brass in their… Read more »

LittleRedMachine
LittleRedMachine
5 years ago

no one that I know is surprised.

I’m also not surprised that the GOPe and DNC are abject satanists.

Doug Wright
Doug Wright
5 years ago

Did lot vote for the lesser of two evils?