We have some good news on the Stickergate front that we now in a position to share. Here is a link to an update on the latest developments, which you will get if you click on “read more” at Update #3. And here is that same link to the place where you can contribute to the legal costs of all this, which have been significant.
This fight has been costly, and we really appreciate those who have contributed. Thank you. The only reason we are willing to solicit funds like this is that the battle over our eroding constitutional rights is an everyman battle. Thank you for joining with us, shoulder to shoulder.
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Would love to read Seamus’s paper!
Didn’t the situation (before sticker-gate) present a good opportunity to turn the other cheek rather than go through the streets posting a lot of mocking, smart-aleck stickers everywhere? Given that these stickers were directed primarily at unbelievers, how do you justify this kind of arrogant behavior in light of Scripture? It’s hard to imagine Jesus endorsing such behavior, or the apostle Paul running through the streets of Athens with a roll of stickers. I think the conclusion is obvious: like father, like son, like grandson . . . You should pay for your own mess. This is your problem. Not anyone else’s.
Grifters are going to grift. The love of money is the root of all evil. That pretty much sums up Douglas Wilson.
Yeah, I can’t believe that Jesus would provoke the establishment like he did. He should have been more kind and loving. Then they wouldn’t have crucified Him. I mean, did he really have to call them a brood of vipers or drive out the money changers?
And to think he even had a money box and a treasurer! The shame!
You guys are insufferable. You hate Mr. Wilson, and have the gall to come into his house and spit on him. It is shameful.
We are to do what Jesus taught, not necessarily what he did. We don’t have that kind of authority. Your responses are very similar to Mr. Wilson’s. They offer a lame and convoluted justification for disregarding the clear teachings of Scripture. I don’t hate Doug Wilson or his son(s), but he is clearly wrong here, and should set a better example.
Donna, I think you should be looking forward to the release of Seamus’s paper also. This is about small town corruption and abuse of power and authority. It is not about skylarking—it is deadly serious.
Whatever you say.
Are we not to do as Jesus did, the works of the Father? (John 10:37)
Is standing up to corruption not the works of the Father? Did not Jesus do this? Are we not to model ourselves after Him?
Donna: Churchlady Karen
Pastor Wilson, I am grateful for your ministry. God has used it both to challenge and to grow me over the past year. It is refreshing to see Christians with courage and conviction push back against the evil at work in our nation. It’s a bonus to see it done with the same cutting wit and righteous sarcasm Elijah used when he confronted the false profits of Ba’al! “Where is your god? Is he on the toilet”? Great stuff! I know, I know…that was the OLD testament, right? It just can’t compete with the self-idolatry of cowardly “Nice-ism”! After all,… Read more »
Pastor Wilson should pay for his own blunders. Not because he failed to be a nice cowardly liberal, but because he failed to be an obedient Christian (there are rules). Your money would be better spent educating little Billy properly. Douglas Wilson’s chickens have finally come home to roost, and these particular chickens happen to be very expensive (and needlessly so).
I wasn’t referring to liberals, dear. I was addressing the heavy-lidded blob of Evangelical Squish that pontificates from on high and repeatedly does absolutely nothing to oppose any evil. They will ascribe to any heresy so long as they can attach the word “love” onto it. These Christian’s despise any other Christian who does what they lack courage and/or conviction to do themselves. They will attack a fellow Christian they believe has been “mean” or “sarcastic” in defense of the faith, with as much vitriol and sarcasm as they can muster, never seeing the mote for the beam involved in… Read more »
Donna: “They [disregard] the clear teachings of Scripture.”
There’s a clear teaching in Scripture against running through the streets with a roll of stickers?
I see. You are equating Doug with the Son of God. That’s not the least bit surprising. Please keep sending him your hard earned $$$.
“Son” of God, Will? How dare you make such claims if you’re not a biologist? Be consistent with your party and your people.
Will may not actually be a biologist.
Could he be a self made rocket scientist?😉
Any way, I do have to wonder if Donna Smith is an alias for Andie Soyboy? 🤔
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That’s weak even for you. So we’re not to imitate Christ now, and claiming that His works and manner of life set a good example is to claim to be Him?
Are you sure, Will? Absolutely sure? Will you be willing to say this to the face of Christ at the seat of judgement? Inquiring minds want to know?
Or the Lord could throw over the tables of the oppressor. You know…Jesus style. It’s important to read the whole Bible
Isn’t that just what all of conservatism has been doing for the last 70 years? If it’s not “turn the other cheek”, it’s “this isn’t the hill to die on”, and it’s “it’s not soon enough to fight”, then “Oh it’s too late to fight, just get used to the new normal.” When is the time to fight for our God-given, Constitutionally-guaranteed rights? Now, when they are under attack yet again by a bunch of petty (in all senses of the word) tyrants? Or after they’ve been rendered into myth and legend by the passage of time? Do you ever… Read more »
I am genuinely interested in knowing what situation was a “good opportunity to turn the other cheek”. I am not from Moscow, I’m not even an American. So all the info I’ve heard is what Doug has said and posted. Should they have turned the other cheek when members of their congregation had been arrested on false grounds? Or am I missing something? The stickers were a peaceful act of protest against the authorities that had overstepped their legal boundaries and violated the freedom of the people they swore to protect. When authorities are crossing the line, then protests and… Read more »
My understanding is that they admitted their mistake and let them go. This was a perfect opportunity for turning the other cheek, not to escalate a situation needlessly.
“Like a muddied spring or a polluted well are the righteous who give way to the wicked.” Proverbs 25:26 Donna, the City of Moscow did not admit any mistake in illegally arresting the Psalm Singers. The City falsely said it was arguable in court and that it was in the best interest of all involved to dismiss charges. The City did not expect the resulting push from Christians across America to their illegal actions here. The City broke not only Moscow City Code but violated the Idaho Constitution and Idaho laws and will not back off their illegal stance. As… Read more »
“Donna, the City of Moscow did not admit any mistake in illegally arresting the Psalm Singers. The City falsely said it was arguable in court and that it was in the best interest of all involved to dismiss charges.” This is close enough to admitting to at least the possibility of a mistake. Even if you don’t see it that way, it should have sufficed. It should have ended there. The apostle Paul was also once falsely arrested but pursued no case or retaliation against anyone (as a Roman citizen he easily could have). For the sake of the gospel… Read more »
Paul didn’t exactly turn the other cheek in Acts 22:25-29. And he actively evaded authorities at other times (2 Cor. 11:33). He also lived in the Roman Empire, not a constitutional republic where one is allowed (at least should be allowed) to redress issues quite differently, especially if peaceable assembly and free speech are potentially violated.
“So those who were about to examine him withdrew from him immediately, and the tribune also was afraid, for he realized that Paul was a Roman citizen and that he had bound him.”
They were afraid of the possible legal retaliation of Paul. But Paul refrained. Why did he do this?
Why did Paul say “Is it legal for you to flog a Roman citizen who hasn’t even been found guilty?” He could’ve played Mr. Meek and just taken his beating. He also used his citizenship to appeal a trial to Caesar (Acts 25:7-12) and gain release from detention (Acts 16:37-39). The bottom line is we don’t know why he refrained from further action in Acts 22. He was on a special mission and refrained from many other things as well, including marriage. But he had no problem using his rights as a Roman citizen–which were far fewer than we have as… Read more »
“He could’ve played Mr. Meek and just taken his beating.” This would be more like playing Mr. Self-defeating. Given the context, it’s pretty obvious that Paul desired an audience for the sake of the gospel more than he wanted to pursue his own petty grievances. He also prevented his own beating for that same reason. He could hardly secure an audience after a severe flogging. Also, I don’t believe that it is a mere coincidence, or questionable happenstance, that Paul’s actions perfectly meet with the teachings of Jesus. I believe these are some of the “timeless truths for all Christians… Read more »
Your straw-grasping is right up there with your pearl-clutching. Take that however you want, but you’ve missed the point too many times to continue debating. Ciao.
The representation of Christ was when Christians sang Psalms on September 23rd, September 25th, and October 7th, 2020. The City of Moscow through illegal maneuvering destroyed lives, shuttered businesses and forced residents out of work. The Psalm Singing wasn’t a nice show for Christ Church, it was Christians standing against a tyrannical city government which deliberately and willfully violated Idaho laws for their own amusement. That amusement damaged not just Christians, but everyone in Moscow except those working for the government. Are you going to repay the restaurant servers, workers in businesses, the business owners and others who lost jobs… Read more »
It doesn’t matter if all Hell is breaking loose. There are guidelines for proper Christian engagement. You cannot reinvent, or redefine, when it is time to stand, and when it is time to turn the other cheek, at your convenience. You can’t get so caught up in the moment that you forget how to function as a Christian should. Let the chips fall where they may. It is God’s world. Whether they are deliberately moving against us or not, we should go down blameless. Even if it means dying. This is the way Christians won the day in the past,… Read more »
It’s worth considering that, when Paul was unjustly arrested and imprisoned in Philippi, he made a deliberate point of using his Roman citizenship to publicly disgrace the city magistrates for their illegal behavior. Why did he not simply leaving the city quietly and meekly as they politely requested him to when they were “admitting to at least the possibility of a mistake” in arresting him the day before? Why did he force them to walk it back all the way in public, out to the city limits? I think it’s clear that in some contexts, humiliating civil authorities for their… Read more »
I rule it as ungodly only within the proper context. I agree there are times the civil magistrates should be exposed, held accountable, and face the consequences of their actions. In fact, there are times when it is our solemn duty to call them to task. In Philippi, Paul wasn’t just falsely arrested and released, he was arrested, publicly beaten, and imprisoned. If the Moscow singers had not been released and were subjected to unlawful fines and incarceration, it would be a different story. Even if they received multiple apologies, there would still be a civic obligation for the good… Read more »
Paul was arrested, beaten, imprisoned, then quickly released. The psalm singers in Moscow were arrested, imprisoned, then quickly released. Then, some time later, after trivial provocation, the Wilson boys were arrested and threatened with unjust longer-term imprisonment, which they are still being threatened with as part of the same overall situation. It’s true that there was no initial police brutality (which is much less acceptable in this millennium), but the fact that the city reacted in such an over-aggressive way to the trivial provocation of the stickers cannot be fully separated from earlier events. Also, why is it OK to… Read more »
Donna, there are Bible rules to stand against evil tyrants. There is no reinventing here. It takes courage and strength to stand against a City breaking Idaho laws and the very illegal law they passed a few months before the Psalm Sing arrests. I am sorry that you don’t want to see through the smoke and mirrors but want to stick to incorrect interpretations of what went on. Did you and your church obey the Bible rules for worship or the government rules? -Did your church close its doors during the SARS CoV-2 panic? -Did your church demand that worshipers… Read more »
Why don’t you just admit you don’t like Pastor Wilson and his family…and apologize to them. I have learned so much from them, and I have learned about how to be a person…a Christian more and more.
Perhaps you should pay better attention to what you are actually learning.
Donna, I think Doug’s grandson has a sticker he would like to give you.
I’m going to guess Donna won’t meet up because she’s either
MSM/government/pop culture/academiaI mean Bible says we’re supposed to do.Any chance we might get read Seamus’ paper? I would enjoy it thoroughly.
Barbara and Ralph, it will be available in due time.
Glad to chip in……go get ’em.
You can tell a lot about a person by looking at their friends. Sometimes you learn even more by looking at their enemies.
My donation is on its way, Doug.
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