Picking a Basket of Novemberries

Sharing Options
Show Outline with Links

Crisis Approaching

My husband recently listened to a podcast discussing the book ‘White Knights and Reviling Wives’ being published by the Ogdens. Afterward, he stated that if I were to misbehave or break something in anger, he would physically hit me / ‘beat me down’. To be clear, I’m not suggesting it would be appropriate for me to break objects simply to test his resolve, but I’m questioning whether his stance is at all biblical. Is it ever acceptable to physically harm one’s spouse outside the context of self-defense?

AA

AA, no, that would not be appropriate, not at all. But to be fair to David Edgington (the gent who wrote an earlier book, The Abusive Wife, the problem being addressed is when the wife is the aggressor. So it sounds to me as though your husband might be taking away the wrong takeaways.
I’ve been heartened by your ministry. It is an encouraging thought to ponder 57 Doug Wilson’s in Christendom. As it relates to Deborah in the Book of Judges, I wonder if there is an important distinction between raising our daughters to intentionally aspire to leadership in government and to simply be prepared to accept that responsibility should it come to them in this fallen world? A Christian woman should not aspire to be a single mother (some women do so) but she should have some preparation to respond if that trial fell to her. We should raise our daughters to be more fond of and seek to replicate godly women like Hannah and the healthy maternal instinct of having babies not the perceived power/status of a Deborah. It’s recognized in rare situations a Christian woman can fulfill both responsibilties (Christian Finnish Politician Paivi Rasanen). However, the priority should be to nurture and fulfill the maternal instinct. On a side note, might you consider doing a “Doug Reacts” to Allie Beth Stuckey’s performance in “Jubilee” in which she is surrounded by and debates 20 liberal Christians on hot topic social issues?
Blessings,

Doug

Doug, yes. There should be a difference between what we aspire to and what God might providentially assign.

Sticking With the Tried and True Critiques

Recently came across an interaction between some folks who were running the good ol’ “Doug Wilson is a heretic who denies sola fide” schtick, and somewhere along the way they brought up your ordination (or rather, alleged lack thereof) as another point of contention. They asserted that you are self-ordained; I’m aware of your baptist congregational background, but I was wondering if, after moving into Presbyterianism, you did anything along the lines of having yourself examined by your session for ordination? Thanks in advance for satisfying my curiosity.

Luke

Luke, our church was planted by the EFree church in Pullman, WA, under their general oversight. As it was the seventies, it was kind of a Jesus people operation. I was elected to be an elder by the congregation, under the general oversight of the leaders of the EFree church, even though we never formally affiliated with that denomination. That was not because of any disagreements, but rather because it was the seventies. In the formation of the CREC, we are structured such that when churches come in, their ordinations are received and regularized as needed. But then, years later, after the CREC formed and the FV controversy broke, my theology was examined at presbytery.

Life Between the Sexes

This is in regard to 57 Deborahs. Helen Andrews recently published an article on the feminization of social institutions which is being talked about; I think your articles are parallel in many ways, while being aimed at different things and proceeding from different starting-points. I would be interested in your thoughts.
Meanwhile, I think that a crisis of manhood is always going to be also a crisis of womanhood and childhood, but in complementary and non-identical ways (since men and women are complementary and non-identical). Jesus must be the definition of authentic manhood, but the church mediates Jesus to Christians and its witness to what that is is not neutral. I read somewhere recently that new/returning women churchgoers flock to megachurches (emotion, servant leadership, affirmation) and new/returning men find the most trad place they can (transcendence, beauty, obedience). All of which is to say that even in the church, Biblical patriarchy is an incredibly marginalized, parochial take. How much less will the world (or “conservatism” more generally) listen—I don’t think Helen Andrews will carry the day. If women are militating against men everywhere, including the church, and winning, well then this is the source of Fuentes and his groypers.
When a good point is made (like all your points in this article), it can be petty to object “well, what about this other related thing you didn’t mention?” But I really don’t think it’s fair to take men’s holiness failures and sense of resentment to task without also taking women’s holiness failures and sense of resentment to task. The world is evil and is trying to destroy women just as much as men, but it is destroying women by means of elevation and promotion, and destroying men in the mode of enervation and belittlement. Any solution has to address both together.
Conservatism is going to need to find a way to say “men, you are good, and we affirm you and celebrate you” and mean it. I think that when it can say that, and the message hits the coalition and permeates it, that will start to channel the groyper sense of resentment into something constructive and healing for them, socially and politically, and begin to eviscerate the toxicity you mention. I think there needs to be an initiative of grace there somehow, though. Otherwise, just moralizing at groypers to just “be better” to earn a wife, or to stop using porn (when they know that people on the Epstein list still occupy the halls of power) will sound to them like Pelagius telling them to earn their salvation, and they, realizing the futility, will fall into deeper and deeper ressentiment.
Thank you for your time.

Matthew

Matthew, thank you. Many good points. And the Helen Andrews article was fantastic.

Lewis on Hymns

This question isn’t NQN related, but as I read through God in the Dock recently, I re-read some words of Lewis that always puzzle me: “I disliked very much their hymns, which I considered to be fifth-rate poems set to sixth-rate music.” Now he does qualify this and says he learned to appreciate them and the saints that honestly sang them, but it seems harsh to call Watts and Wesley fifth-rate poets and Bach a sixth-rate composer. Did he specifically have more saccharine hymns like “In The Garden” in mind? Has this bothered you as well, or what are your thoughts on why he had such a low view of the corporate gathering and hymnody?

Tim

Tim, I don’t know what hymns he was talking about, but have always assumed that he was talking about sentimentalist goo.

Application

This is not connected to a specific blogpost.
Thank you for your work, i am a student of theology in Germany.
I have a question concerning “real“ Applications.
You have sometimes talked about the modern fear of “real“ applications (Children should not go to the secular Kindergarten/school). I know and am convinced, that it was not like this in earlier times.
My question: How did past generations go about this? How can we do this, especially when our system is so radically different?
Thanks again!

Fred

Fred, my advice would be to start with the obvious areas that you already see. As you proceed, the whole thing will become clearer. Don’t wait until the whole picture is clear in your head. Start where you are. As MacDonald said, “obedience is the great opener of eyes.”

Point of Order

Re: The Grace of White Privilege
Yes and amen, and also Noooo.
A privilege is an additional legal right above and beyond what is general, such as the right to hunt in the king’s forest.
All the things you described as privileges are actually just advantages.

Jennifer

Jennifer, yes. You are, of course, quite right. However, what I was doing was riffing off their phrase. “You treat white privilege as a sin. But why should I treat it as sin?”

Lyric Request

So, having enjoyed every NQN, my curiosity just kicked in and I played the “Start a Fire” song that is in the background. I just can’t understand all the lyrics and a cursory Google (well, Duck-duck-go) search was unhelpful. Where might I find the lyrics?

David

David, the song is by one of our locals here, Aaron Rench. Here are the lyrics:

Here I am Lord send me, kiss his Son sing his Psalm if you be his prophet
Black swan with a boy’s sling, came alone bringing stones no fear about it
Skull and bones you better beware wash these sins so we fight like we don’t care
Praying for trouble making sparks and they fly on, water the alter but it’s still gonna light up
Gonna light this and start a fire
The scenery is meeting me
While the blazing greenery that speaks to me
But I rend my gold at Caesar’s feet
When Oak turned to serpents
And wood turned to glory
I’ve been a blank page
needed a new story
Tried to take hold but I was tired of losing
Heaven’s blood on these hands
Hell of a stain need removing
But the darkness is learning
That these embers won’t stop burning
Now I can see past the curtain
A strange testament for certain
Heya when you hear that sound the walls come down
Heya amazing grace how sweet the sound
Heya the Son came up now Satan’s bound
Heya I once was lost but now am found

Been There

When I read in “That Hideous Strength 10x” you mention if you’re faithful, “unattractive women hired by somebody will start showing up at your events” I had to laugh. After decades of following you I finally heard you in person at the Christ or Chaos DC event in September. I knew I was close to the venue but was assured when I saw “My Body My Choice” protesters out front. The next day it was the red dress ladies. I even found the parking garage by following more feminist signage. I guess it’d be called off-label use. Thank you for that conference. I loved every minute of it.

Elizabeth

Elizabeth, thank you, and thanks for coming.

Follow the Book Trail

I need your knowledgeable recommendation on the ‘next’ book for my almost 18 year old, HS senior grandson. As his grandmother, I have been praying for him-his personal walk with God, his choice of girls and how to choose the one, that God would make him to be a man after His own heart . . . There were girl problems in his life. I was shocked when his mother asked me what to do to help him. I ordered “Get the Girl” and hit send while we were talking. He has read the book. This is the text I received from his mom on his response “I’m almost done with the book meaux meaux got me, how do I get more?!” (Isn’t God amazing!) So I need a recommendation for the next book. He has accepted Jesus as His Savior and needs to know what a Godly man looks like. Please give me sequential recommendation for growth.
A side note: I “found” Blog & Mablog ” through a Spotify recommendation.
Kind regards,

Debbie

Debbie, thanks, and way to go, Spotify. I would recommend that he read Future Men next. And then Fidelity.

You Make a Good Point

The right is simping for Sydney Sweeney (again). It seems that “Playboy Philosophy” may need to be added to that immolated horse of yours.

Notashlans

Notashlans, yes. It shows how starved we are for encouragement and good news.

Horton and Hart

In your blog “That Hideous Strength 10X” near the end you have the following paragraph:
“But the go-along-get-along Christians remain adept with rationalizations. They can find academic dens and cubbies to hide away in, like Horton in Escondido or Hart at Hillsdale, and they will no doubt be up to the challenge of finding conservative Christians to be the actual threat.”
I know it is NQN, but I am genuinely curious who “Horton” and “Hart” are. Is that Michael Horton? I have found him to be excellent in the few things I have read from him. Is he up to no good now? I am not asking for a qualification in November, but maybe a link to something he has said/done/failed to do, etc. . . . Is there a beef with him I am not aware of? I do not know who “Hart” is at all, but would certainly be interested as well.

Tyler

Tyler, the reference was to Michael Horton and D.G. Hart. Both men have done good work in certain areas, but both are very much against the kind of cultural engagement we are pursuing. Horton represents the radical two-kingdom approach (R2K), and Hart wants the government to be secular.

An Interesting Dilemma

Long time reader, first time writer. I am wanting your advice on a matter and I’ll try to keep it short. I am a late 20s married man with 3 young children. Earlier this year we resigned membership at our (small country community) church of 14 years after the pastor resigned and the powers that be decided it was time to be egalitarian and let women read Scripture from the pulpit and teach adult Sunday school classes. We have been visiting a more urban, Calvinistic/reformed Baptist church for several months that I became acquainted with thru their biblical counseling ministry. In almost every respect we fit in well and have no significant doctrinal disagreements. The problem is many people (women) dress in a way that I would consider immodest. Is it too much to ask that the elders adult daughter’s shirt should meet her pants in the family photo? I am readily willing to admit that lust is one of my besetting sins that I am fully responsible for, but come on. My problem is compounded in that I am a farmer in a rural area so I can often go all week without seeing a woman at all unless she drives by on the road, only to go to church and be confronted by an immodest sister in Christ. My question is—how big of an issue is this? Should I get over it and stay? Should I or my wife talk to someone in the church about it, and if so, who? Should this be grounds to look for another church? There are other Reformed churches around, but require a further drive than our current 35 minutes. Also, it’s not like there are a majority of women who do this, and I recognize that it will always be a potential problem unless I go back to my German Baptist heritage with a dress code. It’s not like a dress code can force modesty of the heart either. Thanks for your help.

Confused and a Little Hopeless

CAALH, it all depends on how much of a distraction it is for you. If it is a stumbling block, you shouldn’t go to worship God in order to stumble. Go to another church, even though it is farther away. But if you can navigate it well, then stay with this church. I wouldn’t advise trying to fix things as soon as you arrive.

Stay Connected

Wondered if you had any insight on college and dating. My daughter will be going to Liberty University next year. She’s dated two guys in her teenage years, and the way we handled dating was that the boys would have to come and have dinner with our family if they wanted to see her, and they could talk on the phone on occasion. Now that she is going to college, obviously we can’t do that. So, I wondered if you had any insight on how to guide her. Thanks for your availability Doug!!

B Sim

B Sim, my advice to you would be that you should be a connected father. Not just when a boy shows up, but when the time for your weekly phone call arrives. Stay plugged into your daughter’s life. Dating will then be one natural subject among many.

Battling Unbelief

How can we battle unbelief? I’ve delved in presuppositional apologetics especially with Greg Bahnsen. I like to have answers to questions in case someone asks, but more so to answer my my own unbeliefs. I also am aware of your distinction between questions and doubts. A thought in my head is “What if God and Christianity are true, but God and us are a part of this overall simulation?” I’m sure there are other variations of this suggestion. I’m rattled by this suggestion. Is there a good answer to this, or would this be just considered a doubt and should be ignored?

Anon Anon

Anon Anon, the situation you describe is a doubt, not a question. It can be answered by “who is the God of the simulation? He is the true God, so worship Him.” You cannot grow your faith by worrying questions like this. Scripture says that faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the Word of God. My advice is that you set yourself to read the Bible clean through five times in the next five years.

Legal Disputes Between Christians

How should Christians solve legal disputes?
1) I’m an attorney who wants to apply 1 Corinthians 6 to my legal practice. I think one way of doing this is by having clients agree to “Christian Mediation/Conciliation” to resolve disputes. I know there are services like Relational Wisdom 360 associated Ken Sande which provide this type of service. Do you think Christians should use services like this?
2) Should the Church be creating an alternative legal system to our American system? Having recently read through the CREC’s Constitution, I see biblical principals being applied there around due process that are often lacking in our modern legal system, and I’ve heard to reference back to Old Testament law in a way I don’t know that Ken Sande would. Do you think it is proper for the Church, or a denomination (like the CREC, maybe) to provide services like this to Christians who want to resolve disputes according to a biblical system of justice (and I mean the whole Bible here)? If so, do you think Pastors or Elders should be the ones to resolve “civil” disputes? Or is this something Christians should be doing, but not under the banner of the Church?
Thoughts welcomed.

Ken

Ken, in response to your first question, yes, Christians should use services like this. I do believe that elders and pastors should be available to sort through legal disputes in order to keep them from being taken before unbelieving judges. It will be a gradual process, but I do believe we should build out an infrastructure that could do this. One thing that many Christian businesses do is that they write this kind of thing into their contracts. Virtually all of my book contracts (if not all) have this.

The Real Book to Look At

Thank you for being the evangelical equivalent of wasabi paste on a toothbrush. We all need it.
After this recent election everyone seems to be trying to figure out the root causes of “the way we are as a society.” I’ve seen blame laid at the feet of Vietnam draft dodgers and their fathers. Marx probably deserves a fair portion of the blame he gets. And the people who gave us the Scapegoat are unfairly maligned.
But, following your lead, I can see everything coming out of the song of Moses in Deuteronomy 32. So my question: What resources would you recommend for this study of that great book of Moses? I grew up thinking the book of Revelation was the interpreter of the times, but now I’m pretty sure it’s Deuteronomy.

John

John, I am with you. I think it is Deuteronomy also. Among modern commentaries, I like Craig’s. And, Lord willing, I will have a commentary on it in a few years—like three, maybe?

Giants and the Image of God

About your recent shot against the scary science egg stuff
Doug, were the Nephilim made in the image of God?
At what point is something not a human, and if ever, something to be detested…
I mean let’s just say at some point we have a real deal Minotaur scenario, as in with animals. plus grown in a lab with gene mods, and at this rate AI involved . . . what principles can we use as handles here. I’m afraid I’m 50 years I’m going to be missing your gentle cultural commentary.

Logan

Logan, this is an opinion, so I will not state it dogmatically, but I do not believe that the Nephilim bore the image of God. I think that is part of the reason that Israel was instructed to wage a campaign of extermination against the giants in the invasion of Canaan. But the church is going to have a controversy in the foreseeable future when a mixed species individual request baptism.

That Would be Great

You’ve been on quite a tour of the podcast circuit lately. We’ve been praying for Bari Weiss for years since she started her company and podcast. She was raised in a Jewish home by parents who used Dobson’s parenting book, and despite being in a mirage with a woman, has had so many people witness to her in public on her podcast over the years, the Spirit is clearly at work.
You’re also both in the coveted club of being secret Mossad agents. So when are we getting Man Rampant with Bari Weiss?

GJ

GJ, that would be a great idea.
How would you counsel a young father to inculcate masculinity in his sons when he lacks many of the traditional traits identified with masculinity?
My family of five lives in an apartment so I don’t have a property to cultivate and my father taught me very little about cars, building things, barbecuing, and whatever other manly stereotypes you can think of. I’ve never been in a real fight outside of quick scuffles on the playground quickly broken up. I often feel like a second-rate man because of it.
I know that is a superficial way to grade masculinity because the glad assumption of sacrificial responsibility is how you define it. However, the superficial aspects of manliness aren’t completely unimportant, right?
Can you help?

Keagan

Keagan, you are right. The center of it is the glad assumption of sacrificial responsibility. At the same time, the stereotypes are not meaningless. I would suggest that you pick something, and make it a “thing” in your household. An obvious thing would be a parks and rec sports program, where you register your boys, read up on what whatever sport it is, and volunteer to coach. That was the kind of thing my dad did.

The One True Church

I have been taught that scripture is clear and self-authenticating. I have recently encountered Eastern Orthodox people, however, and one of their counters to Protestantism is that history demonstrates interpretations of Scripture fracturing endlessly, with every new denomination asserting its own confession as the faithful interpreter. If a denomination’s authority rests only on the consent of its members, is that really an authority at all—or simply a temporary interpretive club? Meanwhile, Orthodoxy claims a continuous interpretive body that doesn’t reinvent itself with every dispute. How does sola Scriptura defend itself against infinite splintering without becoming an appeal to tradition by another name?

Rose

Rose, I would ask them how many Orthodox communions there are, and whether or not they are all in fellowship with each other.

Disqualifying Past?

I want to pick your mind on this. If a minister/pastor commits a sexual sin, he is disqualified from ministry, no surprise there.
My question is on one who might be called to ministry but is unsure. During his Christian journey, he has committed countless sexual sins. Does that alone disqualify him for ministry despite being only a potential pastor.
Thanks

Dionysus

Dionysus, it all depends. A man can have quite a raggedy past, like Augustine did, and become a great asset to the church. But a man can also kid himself about how thoroughly the sin has been dealt with. If he has been on a straight path for years, he shouldn’t disqualify himself. But if he has been clean for three weeks, that would not be the best time to enroll in seminary.

A Far Right Complaint

I have followed your content for years and have drawn great value from your writings. My family and I have been very blessed by you, especially your writing on family. I pray the Lord continues to give you many more fruitful years.
With all that said, your recent behavior has been confusing at best.
For one, I am struggling to fully understand the “Trojan horse” in your recent NQN video. The horse was named “respectability,” which I think we can all agree can indeed act as a Trojan horse. Many of the items listed on the side of the horse seem to follow this pattern—they appear respectable but are actually toxic (for example, the Hewlett Foundation or Hallmark movies).
That said, “far right fartulence” does not seem to fit this pattern. If by “far right fartulence” you mean the kind of patriarchy and antisemitism you critiqued in your first NQN article, these positions do not present themselves as “respectable” in the first place. The “respectable” thing to do would be to publicly distance yourself from these things, which you have done.
Even more ironic is your discussion of William Buckley in your Doug & Friends video. You mention that Buckley’s handling of Buchanan caused you to “lose some respect” for him. Yet Buckley’s approach seemed very much in the spirit of “respectability,” seemingly distancing himself from what he deemed “far right fartulence.” Again, is this not what you have done as well?

John

John, it should come as no surprise that I see it differently, but I think I can explain. I have said for years that there is always a ditch on both sides of the road. Respectability is one ditch, and a surly reaction to all things respectable is the other ditch. We want to avoid both ditches. And Buchanan and Sobran help to make another point. I want to distance myself from those far right folks who actually are rancid, but not from those people who are falsely slandered and accused of being rancid. Racism is not what the left says it is.

Yeah, It’s a Thing

I googled the author of the the ‘beast and the woman’ book, because at first I thought it had to be AI. Shocked to find it’s a real thing. This author has many books. In each book, the man is always a beast and the woman is still a woman. Why is this? Does this reveal something about how men vs women are both depraved, but differently? Also, is this different than old works like Beauty and the Beast?

Roger

Roger, there are some problems with the Beauty and the Beast set up, but it is not this one. The end of that fable is that the curse is undone, and the Beast is transformed back into a man. The problem would be teaching impressionable young girls that they can “fix” things they actually can’t. But this phenomenon is simply perversion.

Your Child Is In the Hands of God

Today I had something occur to me. I was listening to some music while working. The song “Every Now and Then” by Garth Brooks came on. While listening my mind went to a miscarriage my wife had between our first and second children. Neither of us was ready for that. A DNC was performed. I was not a mature enough man or husband to realize I should have been with my wife for the procedure. We both believe that child would have been our first son. We have no medical evidence for that as it was too early in the pregnancy to know.
My question to you, should we, as Christians, have funerals or burials for miscarried children?
I believe life begins at conception, both scripturally and scientifically. If that is true then where are my son’s remains? I believe he is in the presence of our LORD spiritually. Physically, however, I believe I have failed my son. Any counsel on this matter would be greatly appreciated. Thank You.
Very respectfully,

Austin

Austin, I believe that all human remains should be treated with dignity and respect, and by burial when possible and appropriate. At the same time, the nature of the case will frequently prevent that, and funerals for early miscarriages seem misplaced to me. Burial is the testimony we give concerning our faith in the resurrection. It is not a “helping hand” that we contribute toward the resurrection. So you will see your child again. Your child’s remains are in the same condition as those who die in a house fire, or who are lost at sea. God can and will restore everything.

Longing for Home

I have been married for over a decade and have a gaggle of little ones. I will be unspecific, but I have a job as the leader of an organization. I have had jobs on and off throughout my marriage, all of which I have taken, admittedly, to impress/submit to my husband who is much more delighted with me being a successful boss/business woman than being a homemaker. I have occasionally crashed out and wriggled out of jobs and had stints of staying home, and those times have been a delight beyond belief. I love homemaking and have a real heart for it. With the job I have now, I am frazzled at home, always behind, always messy, and barely hanging on. I am good at my job, and a natural leader, and this impresses my husband. He doesn’t mind a pizza brought home on a day I’ve been working hard, but I do. However, he does get agitated when I can’t help him with things on a whim because I’m busy doing my job. The expectation is for me to be available to him to help with his work, and to fit my job, child rearing, and my home keeping in the cracks. I am also the primary caregiver and expected to pick up the kids from school, help with their homework, and make supper all while working a full time job.
I miss my kids, who are at school during the day. I have to let them run amok when they’re home more than I would like so I can finish work tasks. I ache to work in my home and clean a bathroom without guilt that I’m missing a deadline. I want to be available to my husband and for him to see that the blessing lies there, and not in girl bossery. We do not have church leadership that could counsel us at this time. I’m stumped, and I am thoroughly wrung dry. Even reading my Bible gives me severe guilt, because there are 400 things I need to be doing at any given moment. As you can imagine, this strains romance and my patience . . . and I would love a minute to maybe go for a walk now and then!
I would love some very practical advice on how a wife can be in a position of submission and be a help meet, when the expectations are also for her to be a leader in business outside the home and her heart for home making is not respected as valuable in the way she would hope. How does one submit without bitterness in a situation that feels exploitative and leaves one with daily heartache and anxiety?

Home Sick

Home Sick, this might seem like an odd question, but how much of this “unrest” you experience does your husband know about? Have you told him all this, and he vetoed your desires and said, “No, I want you to work?” Or would he be surprised if someone showed him this letter and told him it was from you? Those situations are very different. If you have a good marriage generally, and you feel this way, I would encourage you to ask your husband straight up. “May I please come home?” If your marriage is challenging, or he is being dictatorial in any way about it, then you are in a 1 Pet. 3 situation, and should work toward the point where you could make the ask.

Additional Advice for Robert

Additional advice for Robert from the letters this week—he is pursuing a woman who respects him but “doesn’t have romantic feelings for him.” I would encourage him (or ask a trusted male friend) to honestly assess his own physical fitness and appearance. As a woman, her comments seem like a kind way of hinting perhaps he could improve his health or physical appearance, which isn’t necessarily an easy fix but definitely straightforward and achievable with effort.

Mrs. D

Mrs. D, you make a point worth considering.

On Making God Angry

Your statement [my paraphrase] if you had to sum up Christian Nationalism into what you called “one nugget:” “I want America to stop making God mad.” I agree with this, and I believe I understand what you’re saying. I come from a fundamental independent Baptist background and we said this all the time, calling it “patriotism” rather than “nationalism,” but I wondered what your response would be if the follow-up question was, “What about Divine impassibility?” (Btw, thanks for all the free books and content during NQN each year. They are tremendously appreciated.)

Bernard

Bernard, I do believe in divine impassibility, and the other attributes that the classical theologians teach us. But I don’t believe that we should allow their categories to negate or erase the way the Bible talks about God. And the Scriptures talk about the wrath of God being a terrible thing. And as the Scripture speaks this way, so may we.
Subscribe
Notify of
guest
28 Comments
Oldest
Newest
Inline Feedbacks
View all comments
Justin Parris
Justin Parris
20 days ago

“Luke, our church was planted by the EFree church in Pullman, WA, under their general oversight. As it was the seventies, it was kind of a Jesus people operation.”

 Oh I never knew that. My father was majorly involved with the Jesus people in the seventies, just a bit of a drive westward. Probably had some shared connections.

Jerry Everitt
Jerry Everitt
19 days ago
Reply to  Justin Parris

I’ve also heard the “not ordained” comment about Pastor Doug. I was happy to hear his answer. Great question by Luke.

Buster Keaton
Buster Keaton
19 days ago
Reply to  Jerry Everitt

His answer uses a lot of words to state that he has not been ordained. There is no biblical carveout for “the ’70s” that makes this requirement unnecessary in his case only. He is not the only person in Reformed Christianity to spend time in nondenom churches when younger. Most of the ones who wish to become Reformed pastors went to Seminary, instead of creating a denomination to market his publishing company. But Doug is special, the rules don’t apply to him. “Ordination” does not come from having been “examined” ex post (against charges of heresy, mind) by the men… Read more »

Justin Parris
Justin Parris
19 days ago
Reply to  Buster Keaton

If I considered formal approval by an institution of sinful fallen humans as a pre-requisite to saying correct things, this would be a dire criticism indeed. Since I don’t, it rings rather hollow. I don’t think an official label on the thing dictates the truth about that thing, and I’ve seen the pastors that get ordained through historical means. An unimpressive on the whole multitude to say the least. That said, I’m not going to disagree with you entirely. I’ve noted over the last decade of my skulking about the board that Doug is indeed loathe to offer serious resistance… Read more »

Buster Keaton
Buster Keaton
19 days ago
Reply to  Justin Parris

He has called Tucker a friend repeatedly, after Tucker explicitly endorsed replacement theory (a longstanding Nazi trope), and repeatedly refused to denounce red-pilled white men on the grounds that they share enemies. I would expect influential pastors to do quite a bit more than “not exactly defend” Nazi-promoters they call friends, but the reality is that Doug has spent decades seeking (and finding) his audience among neo-confederates and white nationalists of (nearly) every variant. He’s in too deep. He’s committed to “blood and soil nationalism”, and that ride has only ever had one destination. If Doug had been ordained, and… Read more »

Justin Parris
Justin Parris
19 days ago
Reply to  Buster Keaton

“He has called Tucker a friend repeatedly” I was obviously referring to post-Fuentes interview. “endorsed replacement theory (a longstanding Nazi trope)” This would be much more shocking if I hadn’t heard directly from the left that this was their specific plan for literal decades before they tried to retcon it into a weird right wing conspiracy theory. “but the reality is that Doug has spent decades seeking (and finding) his audience among neo-confederates and white nationalists of (nearly) every variant.” Far too ambiguous a complaint to address. You don’t say who these people are, or how you came to the… Read more »

Ken B
Ken B
19 days ago
Reply to  Buster Keaton

Does it matter if someone is ordained? I know elders were ‘appointed’ in the NT church, but I am not convinced the concept of ordination as commonly understood today is found in the bible.

There is no shortage of clergy in the Anglican church who are non-believing and unsaved, and conversely many who clearly have the requisite spiritual gifts who are effective without ordination, the title Rev and a dog collar!

Andrew Lohr
Andrew Lohr
19 days ago
Reply to  Ken B

Since the NT mentions elders and deacons I’m convinced God prefers that churches end up with them, men who are qualified (ITim/Titus) to oversee the churches. But saying they should oversee baptisms and Suppers doesn’t mean no one else can do the sacraments. Titus was to ordain elders in Crete; were the 1st-century Cretans waiting on elders for baptisms and Suppers, or getting by without? Give a new church time to see who needs to be overseeing. Jeffrey Meyers’ book “The Lord’s Service” (Canon) is mostly good, but on this issue (elders, maybe only TEs, for sacraments) most of his… Read more »

Ken B
Ken B
18 days ago
Reply to  Andrew Lohr

Thanks for the comment. A long time ago I baptised a number of believers, but without ordination. Needless to say I carefully checked the NT to ensure that this was in order. There is nothing to say only elders may baptise – indeed no qualifications are listed except perhaps on the assumption one Ananias baptised Paul he was ‘devout and well spoken of’. The baptiser is the least important person involved. The reformers imo did not get away enough from the medieval Catholic priest, and the non-catholic pastor took on some of his characteristics. Communion, if done decently and in… Read more »

Buster Keaton
Buster Keaton
18 days ago
Reply to  Ken B

If Doug wishes to claim the authority of historical Reformed Presbyterianism then yes, it is essential not just to be examined by a unbiased group but to be accountable to them in perpetuity. This is what presbyterianism means, it’s not just a set of beliefs but a set of practices related to checking authority. If he just wants to be another non-denominational megachurch pastor, generating controversy as a marketing device for his products (which is what he *actually* is), then it is not essential. But he cannot have it both ways. He cannot claim the historical authority of Reformed Presbyterianism… Read more »

The Commenter Formerly Known As fp
The Commenter Formerly Known As fp
15 days ago
Reply to  Buster Keaton

Buster Keaton* hyperventilated: “…then call Christian women “c*nts” for the crime of disagreeing with him.

I’ll take things that didn’t happen for $1,000, Alex.

*Not the real Buster Keaton. The real one shuffled off this mortal coil long ago and has been voting Democrat since.

David Anderson
18 days ago
Reply to  Jerry Everitt

I’m a Reformed Baptist; I don’t believe that it’s biblically necessary to be ordained by a presbytery of elders of several churches that is part of a Presbyterian hierarchy (whether 2 or 3 level, depending on your brand of Presbyterianism), who then at the *Presbytery* level hold your ordination licence and can revoke it if they decide to (even if your local church disagrees). I believe that elders or missionaries or others commissioned to particular works should be recognised/sent by and accountable their own local churches. Hence, if a Presbyterian asks me “are you ordained”, and they mean “in a… Read more »

Last edited 18 days ago by David Anderson
David Anderson
18 days ago
Reply to  David Anderson

Eventually with some Googling I found the link: https://blindtheology.blogspot.com/2025/07/the-rule-of-men-basic-flaw-in-crec.html

He (an advocate) argues “That central problem—and I believe it is the problem behind a lot of the more obvious issues in the CREC—is that the denomination is fundamentally characterized by the rule of men and not the rule of law”, clarifying that: “The criticisms leveled in this essay are not born from interpretations of individual actions or personal anecdotes. They arise from a plain reading of the CREC’s own governing documents.”

Buster Keaton
Buster Keaton
18 days ago
Reply to  David Anderson

But pretending it’s the same thing as Presbyterianism? Why? Because the CREC’s growth model is poaching disaffected Presbyterians. Convincing them that they are not joining a heretical sect is good for business. Also, you can’t very well run a “classical” education business on the authority of one Dorothy Sayers essay, esp if your claim is that women should not lead anything ever. Instead, you must invent a historical legacy for marketing purposes. Hence “New Saint Andrews”. The old Saint Andrews is still there, and has nothing whatsoever to do with NSA or the CREC, but stolen valor is a tried-and-true… Read more »

john K
john K
15 days ago
Reply to  David Anderson

This attorney is comparing the CREC to ill-informed understandings of Presbyterianism. A CREC “presbytery cannot fine the church, remove its officers, or seize its assets”? NAPARC presbyteries can’t do those things either. At most, a minister can be removed after a presbytery trial. Presbytery can deal with elders and deacons only on appeal.

Presbyterian church courts also have the option to go secret, called “executive” session.

David Anderson
13 days ago
Reply to  john K

In the context of that quote, it isn’t directly claimed that a Presbytery can do those things. In context, his point is correct. A Presbytery can assume original jurisdiction over a session, including replacing all its members, which is de facto (de jure?) to take control over the church and all to do with it. In the CREC, a Presbytery can do nothing of the kind; members of the local session have no real accountability to the session except that the session can expel their church from the Presbytery. Note that I’m not arguing that one of these systems is… Read more »

J P
J P
20 days ago

Keagan, couple ideas. Chesterton said before you learn how to do something well you have to learn how to do it badly. So don’t be afraid to try to learn how to be more handy – learn by doing. Find guys who know what you wish you knew and have them teach you. Then you teach your boys. Also, let your boys outside and enjoy God’s creation – take up hiking, fishing, hunting, camping, canoeing/kayaking or all three. Exploring and hunting/gathering are very much masculine hobbies. If God gives you the opportunity, move out to the country and buy an… Read more »

d ww
d ww
20 days ago

Is there a glitch in the giveaway? Shouldn’t Black And Tan kindle book be free for nqn?

Jim
Jim
20 days ago

Home Sick’s husband might be struggling with not believing he can handle the burden alone of providing/standing publicly in his own accomplishment and not as part of a “power couple.” Ultimately, that’s a faith issue-faith in God’s provision accountability to make him enough for his family. I know I struggled with that greatly when my wife was finally able to quit work to stay home with our children, even though she was a very accomplished and respected trial attorney. For years, I struggled with the pressure of having to provide and in believing God would come through for us, even… Read more »

Farmer Seth
Farmer Seth
19 days ago

Confused and a Little Hopeless

As fellow farmer in the same stage of life. I totally get where you’re coming from. There are many weeks that I don’t see a woman that I’m not directly related to at any point except at church. I have found Doug’s work on nuisance lust helpful with this. You also might find Joe Rigneys book More Than a Battle (available on Canon + on audio for those long days of tractor driving) very helpful as well.

Jake
Jake
19 days ago

Keagan. Become a ham radio operator with your sons. It is a predominantly male hobby and you do not have to be especially athletic. Go to arrl.org for information on how to get started.

Ken B
Ken B
19 days ago
Reply to  Jake

You think that might send the right signal?

I’ll see myself out …

Jake
Jake
19 days ago
Reply to  Ken B

73s. In ham radio parlance, that means have a nice day.

Last edited 19 days ago by Jake
Ken B
Ken B
18 days ago
Reply to  Jake

I hope you have a nice day too!

I remember (dating myself) when Mrs Thatcher got rid of the red tape surrounding radio hams and citizen band radio, and for a while some of the jargon became common parlance.

I imagine the Internet and smart phone have to some extent made radio haming redundant, but I could still understand the attraction of it as a hobby.

Jake J
Jake J
19 days ago
Reply to  Jake

Wow. This is wild. I’m a Jake also, and recently got into ham radio with two of my sons. It has been fun to do with them.

John Middleton
John Middleton
19 days ago

Since Mrs. D brought it up in a LTR: Robert said “I do not get along with women generally”. Well, Robert, why is that? That might be the thing you want to ask yourself. Whatever it is, it might be the reason the “rare exception” is in the end not all that exceptional in her response toward you. I’m not trying to be mean, it’s just, you (though no idea if you, Robert will actually read this) are the one who indicated you have a problem.

Chris8647
Chris8647
18 days ago

How close is Grok to the incoming statement from Doug about the latest Epstein Trump emails? Thought for The Epstein Emails: Much Ado About a Dead Man’s Gossip By Doug Wilson Well, here we go again. The House Oversight Committee, in a parting shot that reeks of the kind of partisan theater only Washington could script, has dumped another tranche of Jeffrey Epstein’s emails into the public square. And wouldn’t you know it, the headlines are ablaze with the usual suspects clutching their pearls over Donald Trump’s name appearing in the mix. “Epstein Could Take Down Trump!” screams one. “Secret… Read more »