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Ethnic Harmony

Re the article “The Joy Juice of Democracy” Nov 6, 2023, and other work on Christian nationalism—I get the sense that you believe multi-ethnic/racial partnership in Christ is prohibitively difficult. Is that right? Why do you think this is not an ideal to be worked towards? Happy to have a call at some time to chat and further understand how you and your circle view things. I believe that your kind of resilience in standing against this crazy obsession with DEI is correct, but at the same time I think witness of the body of Christ would be made stronger in this age when people across ethnicities stand on the same firm foundation of the Scriptures, redeeming people to biblically-founded Christian ethics, and not some kind of simplistic racial harmony.

Gerald

Gerald, actually I think it is a very good thing to work toward, as the occasion demands. But I don’t think it is a one-size-fits all ideal. I don’t believe Japanese churches should strive for the “ideal” of having the requisite Hispanic cohort in the pews. But when the situation is cosmopolitan, I believe that churches can not only be cosmopolitan, they can be models for showing the only real basis for multi-ethnic harmony. So I don’t believe it is “prohibitively difficult” for reasons of tension. I believe it is prohibitively difficult for Laplanders to find enough Chinese. Our church here in Moscow, a university town, is multi-ethnic, happily so.

Sabbath Observance

On Sabbath rest, and those durn Puritans,

I’m a young husband and soon-to-be father. I finished Gary North’s “Sinai Strategy,” and the chapter and appendix on the Sabbath raised questions I hope you could shed some light on.

1. God commanded the Israelites not to pick up sticks on the Sabbath. Does this preclude us from using lights, cookware, central heating, etc? Of course we ought not to execute our electric company public employees because they “picked up sticks” for us! And, if this command was aimed at a pre-industrial agrarian society, how is this command fulfilled in Christ and applied today? Should future Christian lawmakers be permitted to regulate businesses on Sunday? And, does the pre-industrial Westminster answer this question?

2. North derides the Puritans and Scots Presbyterians for their strict regulation of the Sabbath, with no taverns, sports, and even Sunday schools allowed. You oft quoting Lewis where he says quite the opposite about the joy of the Puritan Christians. I presume there probably were Pharisaical Puritans out there, but were they really that bad? Or were sports games the moral equivalent to our pride parades today?

Thanks Pastor, God bless you.

Best,

Sean

Sean, good questions. The prohibition of firing up the forge at the smithy on the Sabbath gradually morphed into elevators that stop at every floor in Brooklyn on the Sabbath, such that no one has to ignite a spark by pushing a button. Which in my mind is the kind of fastidious observance that Jesus condemned. He didn’t mind His disciples “harvesting” on the Sabbath by eating a few heads of grain. On your second question, it is a mixed bag. I recommend Ryken’s The Worldly Saints as a good book to address the broad question. But as time went on, the Puritan garden did find itself with some fusser weeds in it.

Yes. Yes, I Would

Would you ever consider performing a wedding for two nonbelievers? And, would it make a difference if they were co-habitating?

Thanks,

CB+

CB+, yes, I would be happy to. So long as they didn’t mind me speaking from the Scriptures, I would be delighted. The thing I couldn’t do is marry a believer to an unbeliever. But if the couple were in the same spiritual place, there is no problem. If they were living together, the marriage would not be making anything worse, as it would be with a believer and unbeliever. It would be making things better. Even though they are unbelievers, it would be removing ongoing fornication from their lives.

Another Country Heard From

On “Things That Go Bump in the Night” or “Angels in the Outfield” Given that Christians (Ken Hamm, et al) have done a fabulous job of debunking evolutionary theory in the realm of biology, geology, and the fossil record, I long for a set of smart AND Biblical Christians to make similar hay of evolution in the sphere of astronomy. We sheep are lulled into complacency by the lofty sounds of Carbon-14 dating, erosion strata, reptilian dinosaurs that weren’t dragons, and etc. rolling off the honeyed tongues of pontificators in white lab coats. But we also swallow string theory, galaxies, black holes, light-years in the billions and heliocentrism like warm porridge. Where is the healthy skepticism of those eggheaded Darwinists when Scripture plainly says the stars are messengers/angels placed in the sky for signs? I look at Orion and ask myself “Why did God put you there?” And I’d like to know.

I don’t accept, for instance, the scientism that says stars are billions of light years away, for to see them, they would have to be unfathomably enormous, and our Sun, which I also don’t accept is merely another star, would be this tiny pinprick of a thing in comparison. Ever-expanding universe because 17.5 trillion years ago it all went ka-boom? I don’t think so, and I think “red-light shifts” are just the astronomers’ version of Carbon-14 dating. They built something that gives the “evidence” they need to make us all sit back and wonder . . . not at God’s fantastic creation, but at their inventive genius.

Hogwash.

Do things go bump in the night? Yep. My wife’s piano gave off a loud crack a couple of nights ago because it’s 130 years old and not accustomed to cold, dry Idahoan winters. Do “supernatural” things bump around? Sure thing. There definitely are flying objects that haven’t been identified, and various sightings are routinely reported around the world. Are there angels in the outfield? Absolutely. Billions and billions of them, all marching around our world in perfect formation, giving us signs that we’ve forgotten how to read.

Perhaps one day we can talk through this a bit more. I would enjoy that.

Andy

Andy, think of it this way. What will astronomers a thousand years from now think of our current astronomy textbooks?

My son has visited your schools because he has a friend who’s daughter and son attended them. (I think they graduated now) Anyway, we would like to look into starting a charter or alternate school here in P_______. He said you may be able to help with a type of blueprint of what is involved. This of course is under the radar right now, since the public schools would be in horror of such a thing. Anyway, may you be able to help?

Thank you for taking the time to read this,

Maureen

Maureen, thanks. There are a number of charter schools around the country that are following the classical model, and a lot of Christians are involved in them. Unfortunately, the fact that they are still public means that the most important aspect of a classical Christian education has to be left out—which would be Christ. I would put you in touch with something, but I don’t have any contacts in that line.

Women in the Ministry?

I have some questions about women in the home and ministry. I’m from Australia and part of a Pentecostal church, where women preachers and pastors is usual. In my personal studies, I have come to be concerned about this and would love some guidance on this. At the same time, my husband is not very interested in Scripture so I find it hard to get an educated opinion from him on this. I understand your view is complementarian. Is this the right place/way to get your thoughts on this?

Kind regards,

Allison

Allison, thanks for writing. The short form is that I believe that ordaining women to the ministry is simply a convoluted form of disobedience. What I would recommend is that you get my little book on the subject, entitled Why Ministers Must Be Men.

Lawful Taxation?

In Chapter 2 of Mere Christendom, you discuss the question of lawful taxation. However, you don’t seem to spend much ink on the passages calling us to pay taxes to whom they are due, i.e. “Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and to God the things that are God’s” (Mark 12:17). Given how the Jews chafed under the Roman Empire, I assume the Roman taxes were considered oppressive in many of the same ways we would talk about our government’s taxation of us. Yet Jesus calls the Jews to pay those taxes—to render to Caesar what is owed him (even if it is oppressive). Jesus does not indicate that Caesar is stealing, otherwise the Jews wouldn’t be rendering what was “his.”

How can we reconcile this with your discussion of taxation as theft?

Caleb

Caleb, the central problem the Jews had concerned the implicit idolatry involved—coins with Caesar’s image. Jesus answered that by saying that if it had his image, it could be rendered to him. But that which had God’s image on it (as we have) must not be rendered to him, but only to God. And if taxation is kept within scriptural bounds, I don’t believe that it is theft at all (Rom. 13:7)—to whom it is due. But those boundaries must be diligently honored.

Worship in the Treasure Valley

I so enjoyed your conversation with Andrew Klavan this week! Nice to hear from a believer in Idaho that hasn’t forsaken the gospel or hope for humanity (seems like it’s one or the other with most people these days).

Can you recommend a church in the Treasure Valley? I’m in Nampa and haven’t had a community for some time (beyond online).

It’s hard to identify a church that hasn’t twisted the gospel to fit nihilistic ideology or that plugs their ears and closes their eyes when it comes to science, philosophy and culture.

Thank you for what you do!

Aaron

Aaron, thanks. And check out The King’s Congregation.

Continuing Gifts?

I watched your recent discussion with the Remnant Radio pastors, and I think before the theological debate there’s a semantic debate. Let me see if this correctly sums up the situation:

Just like there’s “Apostles” and “apostles” but the latter term is too confusing in most circumstances for usage, perhaps there’s room for “Prophecy” and “prophecy.” It seems everyone is in agreement that big-P Prophecy—the kind that writes Scripture—is done. And everyone in this discussion agrees that the Holy Spirit actively moves and does miracles (although I’ve met cessationists who do not). It seems there’s a category of miracle where God tells someone to tell someone else a specific Scripture. There’s no new word of God being said, just a reiteration/reapplication of existing Scripture. The Remnant radio people would call this a type of prophecy, and I think you would agree the Spirit can move like this but likely avoid the term just for the confusion, correct?

The theological debate comes in when the claim is something beyond a Scripture quotation. They would claim they see the Spirit move and say things like to wear a coat on Tuesday, and your point in the debate is that if God is saying things that aren’t written in the Bible, then that’s approaching big “P” Prophecy. Is that also correct?

Ian

Ian, yes. You have summarized the situation well. It seems to me that responsible charismatics, those not off the deep end, want to acknowledge the uniqueness of Scripture, but want to still get the emotional charge from the fact that “God is still speaking today.”

Thanks for the Cartoon

Regarding the “Well, then, we succeeded” comic post on January 12, 2024, here is a modern proverb you may appreciate: “Meetings are where the minutes are kept and the hours are lost.” Blessings to you in 2024.

John

John, that is a good one.

The Just Shall Live By Faith

I have a question that I can’t seem to wrap my head around; hoping you could help!

What is the connection between alive, saving faith and good works? How does saving faith lead to good works?

Grace and peace,

Giuseppe

Giuseppe, living faith, which is to say, saving faith, submits to God. Whatever God wants, faith wants that same thing. When God wants the sinner to look to Christ for justification, saving faith wants to do just that. When God wants us to walk in newness of life, faith wants to that. It is important not to over-engineer it. Faith breathes because it is alive.

A Rant That Fell Short

Re: An Old Coot Rants a Bit

I can’t believe there’s not a single remorseful comment about Dolly Parton’s stacks or Trump’s two Corinthians. What indeed is the world coming to?

Grateful for the serrated edge, Ol’ Coot style.

Doc

Doc, thanks. I think.

Realism? Pessimism?

I’ve just recently come across your writings and video content over maybe the last year or so. I’m a bit of a new follower of Jesus Christ, with a proclivity towards what I call realism (while my wife calls it pessimism). In the years since my awakening, I’ve read through the Bible cover to cover twice—and the narrative of especially the NT and Revelation seemed to fit into my “pessimistic” worldview that things are falling apart at a continuing rapid pace and will continue to deteriorate rapidly until Jesus returns to “fix” everything. That is until I came across post-millennialism and preterism, and then I read Heaven Misplaced (as well as digesting much of your other content). This feels like the exact antidote I needed to believe that the viewpoint I previously held was flawed, and that there is much more hope and optimism in what a transformative set of events Christ’s earthly life, death and resurrection and 70AD, etc really were.

I state all of that to say that as a person whose occupation is an engineer (problem solver), and a mindset of “figuring things out,” I feel as though I have a million questions about the whole thing. I know it doesn’t change the main message of the Bible and what we are commanded to do, it’s just not my personality to brush what seem like major details aside. Because it feels as though those narratives frame how we view our current place and time, and without knowing it feels a bit like floating in the wind. But perhaps that is my biggest flaw and I’m overthinking it. I apologize this has gotten so long winded without really asking a specific question. I appreciate your content and your sense of humor, and I will continue to try to catch up so I can follow along with perhaps a bit more understanding of where you’re coming from. Thank you,

Mark

Mark, there are other good books on postmill, like Mathison’s Postmillennialism and Gentry’s He Shall Have Dominion. But the next book I would encourage you to read is not really a book of theology at all. It is Herman’s The Idea of Decline in Western History.

Unanimity?

I was curious regarding your thoughts on how a board, either church elders or corporate, should talk about internal disagreements over policy (meaning no specific people are involved, so confidentiality is not at issue) when discussing it with the people under their care. Most groups I’ve dealt with at both church and work take the position that “even if we disagree, we will not openly do so and we will present ourselves as unanimous, even if we are not” as opposed to “if we disagree, we will be open with those under our care and be clear that even though we do see things differently, we have gone in a particular direction and will do so decently and in order.” Over the last few years, I had a church elder openly say things to me I know he didn’t believe so that the elder board could be seen as unanimous (even though they clearly weren’t). I’ve had the same thing happen at work, and this has hung more than a few employees out to dry as they make decisions based on what they know their manager wants, but then the manager won’t support them, because to do so wouldn’t seem a betrayal of decisions made by the group of managers.

I know that we should value unity, but my read on this is that it to not be honest in this instance is just plain cowardice. Is that too harsh? I personally wouldn’t mind if my elder said “I think this, but was voted down, so the church is going this way. Let’s help the church, pray, and come to me if you need to talk more. I’m here.” How is that a bad thing? All I can revert to is asking myself, “If my elder is lying to me about this, what else is he not being truthful about?”

I think that there is a conflation of unity and unanimity for the sake of not having to defend a controversial decision. A board can be unified even if they disagree, but isn’t it untruthful to say to one’s churchgoer “I agree” when one, in actuality, does not? What is the best way for a board to address disagreements of opinion to those outside the inner circle?

I’ve been struggling with this concept for the last few years and was interested to read your input.

God bless.

David

David, you are right there is a danger of dishonesty in this. But going the other way creates the danger of subversion and politicking. I think the best policy is the Trumpkin approach. “I know the difference between giving advice and taking orders. You’ve had my advice, and now’s the time for orders.” If an elder were to say to you that he had voted against a decision, but that he was going to cheerfully submit to it, and do his level best to make that decision a successful one, that would be fine. It is also very rare.

Bible Stories?

Hi Doug! Tonight I find myself searching and scrolling the internet looking for a Story Bible fit for our one and two year old boys. My husband and I subscribe to Cannon plus and listen to your content daily. Because of this, you were the first person that popped into my mind while searching. I knew you would have a recommendation that we would be able to trust. We are currently using a fantastic app on our iPad that has several Bible stories thoughtfully rewritten, but I am tired of sticking an iPad in his face before bed. I have tried reading him the Bible. Simple. He quickly loses interest and responds better to books with pictures. He’s 2. I can understand why. Your feedback is greatly appreciated. Thank you for your time.

Shane and Lindsay

Shane and Lindsay, I would recommend The Biggest Story.

When. Elections Are Squeakers

You wrote, “When I was but a callow youth, and election time came around the way it always did, everybody went to the polls, and marked their selection in the wet clay of the cuneiform tablets, and the votes were all tallied up and announced by eleven o’clock that evening, and that was even allowing for the time it took for the clay to be run through the kilns.”

That’s not true. The speed of national election outcomes is mostly related to how close the race is. Most of the time, the votes are disparate enough that a winner can be projected/announced well before all the votes have been counted. That was certainly the case for most of the elections of your youth. Most of them were historic landslides, with a notable exception being 1976. The media didn’t start calling the race for Carter until 3:00 the next morning, and it wasn’t until later that morning that Ford officially conceded.

As is typical, he didn’t concede because the votes were all counted and the tallies final. He conceded when the results that were in at that moment made it clear that it was impossible or extremely unlikely for the tide to turn.

Ken

Ken, yes. That is certainly true with some elections. They are a photo finish, like Bush/Gore in Florida that time. But we are also living in a time when squeakers can be arranged.

A Future in Education

Thank you very much for your Blog and Mablog posts. They have been encouraging in a time that seems pitch-dark to me. I have a question that has been laying heavily on me for the past several months. Any advice or prayers would be greatly appreciated.

I am a woman, single, and will be beginning my last semester at my local community college in a week. I want to teach young people about language, books, or history and I do not know where to go to finish my education. Over the winter break, I read John Milton’s “On Education,” Dorothy Sayers’ “The Lost Tools of Learning,” and your books “Recovering the Lost Tools of Education” and “The Case for Classical Christian Education.”

I have also been studying 1 Corinthians 7 this week, and verse 20 stood out to me: “Let every man abide in the same calling wherein he was called.” There is no doubt in my mind that completing my education is the work that God has called me to, but I just can’t see the “where” part. Please ask God to open the right doors and that I would be wise enough to follow His lead.

Ariel

Ariel, thank you for writing. I would urge you to contact the Association of Classical and Christian Schools. They have ways of connecting teachers to schools. Plug into their services. In addition, I would encourage you to attend their big national conference, in Atlanta this year. It will give you a really good grasp of how much is going on, and how many teaching opportunities there are.

Yes and No

Should I read Bible commentaries written by women?

Matt

Matt, I would say yes, no, and it depends. There is a difference between a woman usurping the role of a man, on the one hand, and a man learning from a woman, on the other. I would stay away from commentaries written by a woman who calls herself a “theologian,” has three MDivs, and who teaches homiletics at Compromise Seminary. Something is obviously off somewhere. But neither should we be fussers. If Nancy is addressing a room full of women from the Word, and the guy up in the sound booth learns something, that’s just great. I myself I have learned a great deal from Mary, Hannah, and Deborah. Priscilla and Aquila (Acts 18:26) took Apollos aside in the church parking lot, and the verb makes it plain that they both set him straight. Women must not set themselves up as instructors of men. Men must not be too conceited to learn from a woman.

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Jo
Jo
11 months ago

Andy,
Check out creation.com – use the search function. Check out Jason Lisle. Someday we’ll get to where you’re suggesting we go. Not tomorrow, but someday.

TedR
TedR
11 months ago

It was good to see the post from Mark (the engineer) and your subsequent book recommendations. I too am an engineer and sometimes our training, to always look for the problems, bleeds over into the rest of life in not always productive ways. I am fully post mil and overall optimistic. I believe in the promises God has made, but, that doesn’t mean I don’t have bouts of pessimism, especially in our current time of God hating.

Rob
Rob
11 months ago
Reply to  TedR

TedR, I would be unable to convince you that post mil is wrong in such a short space, but maybe I can encourage you to not be too quick to hang up your pessimism just yet. It’s there for good reason. ll Tim. 3 has to mean something more than the post-mil folks are willing to admit. At least wait until after 2024 and re-examine at that point!

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Dave
Dave
11 months ago
Reply to  Rob

In Texarkana, Texas there was an individual who kept holding signs that the rapture was to be in 1966. When that didn’t happen, he stepped off the street corner for a few years and came back with another prediction that also flopped. 2024 is going to be a tough year for everyone. On Christmas Eve and Christmas Day, almost 200 Nigerian Christians were murdered and their houses, churches and villages destroyed. More than 300 were injured and the death toll keeps rising. In America, there is a distinct anti-Christian movement. American Christians have it easy. Don’t turn into a pessimistic… Read more »

Rob
Rob
11 months ago
Reply to  Dave

Dave, Please see my reply to TedR’s reply to me. On the contrary, it’s not my pessimism that caused me to reply to TedR, but his. My expectations for what I believe the Word teaches is right on schedule. My faith increases when I can line up the Word and the events on the ground. I was only suggesting that TedR’s pessimism might get him to consider a different christian world view.

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Jack O'neal Hanley
Jack O'neal Hanley
11 months ago
Reply to  Dave

What happened in Texarkana, Texas in 1966 has to do with 2024 being a tough year for everyone is beyond me? Can you please explain why you are under the impression that 2024 will be a tough year for everyone? I am certainly grieved to hear what happened to Nigerian Christians on Christmas eve, and Christmas day, but I am not sure what this has to do with there being a “distinct anti-Christian movement” in America? Can you please explain to us what this “distinct anti-Christian movement” in America is exactly? Are you suggesting that there is a distinct movement… Read more »

TedR
TedR
11 months ago
Reply to  Rob

Rob, thanks for the reply. I am not certain this is your argument but if I need to wait until the end of 2024 (or any other time period) to know what the Bible says, I think I would be doing it wrong. Furthermore, the comment about “it’s there for a good reason”, my pessimism that is, I don’t find as a compelling argument. We all have impulses we should mortify and impulses we should recognize as guards against errors. The existence of an impulse itself doesn’t prove anything. It could be good, it could be bad but the “there… Read more »

Rob
Rob
11 months ago
Reply to  TedR

The post-mil argument, if wrong, will only serve to discourage many in times like these. I even wonder if putting our hope in a post-mil christian world view will be partly the cause of the great falling away (ll Thess 2:3) when our expectations do not line up with what is going on in the world. Your bouts of pessimism suggests such discouragement. If Christ must return to set things in order then my expectations will not be disappointed. We both believe in the return of Christ, we just differ on the order of events. One belief system will disappoint,… Read more »

Jeff
Jeff
11 months ago

Questions on for whom you will perform a ceremony. For the unbelievers do you use vows which reference God? The question is why do desire a marriage by a representative of God and not someone more in line with your values like a judge? Doesn’t this devalue the holiness of the marriage covenant? For two believers living in sin, do you really think marriage ‘fixes’ this sin? Doesn’t this communicate to those in attendance and to the couple that fornication really isn’t a big deal. Hey, we can sin so God’s grace can abound! I’m sure with the years you… Read more »

John Middleton
John Middleton
11 months ago
Reply to  Jeff

For two believers living in sin, what do you think should be the alternative to getting married? Is it, first acknowledge the sin (to whom?) and stop living together (for how long?), then get married? Or is it they can never marry because they fornicated?

Jeff
Jeff
11 months ago
Reply to  John Middleton

Thanks for the response and questions. Repentance would be stopping the fornicating and living separately until the marriage. The living arrangements may be difficult. The church should step in with compassion and assist with this if needed. This presents a gospel testimony to a watching world. Marriage is not the repentance plan for ongoing fornication. They acknowledge the sin to each other, seek forgiveness and stay chaste. The church should have had them under discipline, especially since it is a public sin bring ill repute to the claim of the gospel. I understand it is a difficult and sensitive issue… Read more »

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John Middleton
John Middleton
11 months ago
Reply to  Jeff

Ok. I will always ask the question when someone says they would not marry a couple that has been shacking up, or questions if it should be done. Regarding performing the marriage ceremony for unbelievers, if I more or less agree with you. If I were a Pastor I would ask “Why do you want me to officiate, and why do you want your ceremony to take place in a church?” Of course the pastor might also take advantage of an opportunity to evangelize. Regarding repentance, you are correct, only I would add that true repentance includes sincerely admitting the… Read more »

Jeff
Jeff
11 months ago
Reply to  John Middleton

I would put it this way in speaking to them (Cliff Notes version). This is what God says about sexual relations and holy matrimony. Take some time to talk about it and if it really is your desire to do things God’s way and seek His blessing on your marriage. If this is something you want, I’ll be happy to perform the ceremony. If it is not, then you’ve clarified something about your values. God desires you to be married whether or not you acknowledge Him. There are a number of people who can do the ceremony. Please let me… Read more »

Andrew Lohr
Andrew Lohr
11 months ago

Doug re Ian: (1) non-cessationists may well value the “emotional charge” of experiencing God doing or saying something in our lives, but far more than that is God earning glory and advancing His Kingdom. If He wanted Dave Wilkerson to reach out to gangs and drug addicts, in ways that wouldn’t have occurred to Dave, ain’t it great of Him to tell Dave so? If Jackie Pullenger-To needed, for the Kingdom’s sake, to know which of the zillion high rises in Hong Kong the person she needed to contact lived in, wasn’t it great of God to tell her where… Read more »

J.F. Martin
J.F. Martin
11 months ago
Reply to  Andrew Lohr

Andrew, as I’m involved in Christian recovery ministry, David Wilkerson is the epitome of following the promptings of God. The Switchblade and the Cross (and Teen Challenge) is an amazing tale of God working through fallible men. However, when I started my recovery journey, I was attending an AOG church…and what they don’t have is a good track record of (at minimum) telling people to stop when their small ‘p’ prophecies don’t come to pass. God told me doesn’t seem very far from ‘Thus saith the Lord’ in modern vernacular…and I would say the words pronounced to me directly had… Read more »

katecho
katecho
11 months ago
Reply to  Andrew Lohr

If we’re talking about the idea of continuing revelation, as if there are still some theological gaps that need to be filled in (that Jesus somehow overlooked), then I trust we’re all cessationists. Nothing more needs to be revealed by a latter day prophet, and anyone claiming otherwise needs to be confronted. On the idea of a prophetic voice, we should pray for more prophets of this kind, who will proclaim the revealed truths of Scripture, authoritatively, over our culture, calling for submission to Christ. I’m not cessationist in this sense. But the heart of the debate over prophecy centers… Read more »

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Mike Freeman
Mike Freeman
11 months ago
Reply to  katecho

I would consider myself a cessationist with one caveat: There is nothing in Scripture that actually says that the canon is closed or that there will be no further revelation. You can get there indirectly by making inferences, but since human interpretation is always going to be imperfect, we need to remember that our inferences may not always be spot on. What we have, rather than a direct statement that the canon is closed, is the word of a church council convened by the pope. I don’t think there will be any further revelation or additions to the canon, but… Read more »

Jack O'neal Hanley
Jack O'neal Hanley
11 months ago

In the letter above which Doug has entitled, “When Elections Are Squeakers” Doug says, “we are also living in a time when squeakers can be arranged”. Does this mean “squeakers” in the past could not be arranged? Next, do we know of any “squeakers” in our time which have been arranged? We used to live in a time when politicians understood that it was better to do what was best for the country rather than for themselves. You know like, they would have never did anything at all to cause the citizens of the nation to lose faith in the… Read more »

The Commenter Formerly Known As fp
The Commenter Formerly Known As fp
11 months ago

Jack O’broken Record: “We used to live in a time when politicians understood that it was better to do what was best for the country rather than for themselves.”

Just like we used to live in a time when unicorns roamed the countryside, excreting Skittles.

Now that we’ve all had a good laugh, you’ll remember that Marbury vs. Madison, where the Supreme Court arrogated to itself power not granted it by the Constitution, was decided a mere 15 years after the Constitution was ratified. We’ve been living with their Constitutional fiction ever since — and this is only one example.

Mike Freeman
Mike Freeman
11 months ago

But in any system there will be disputes about what the law is, and a need for someone to have the authority to decide, with finality, the answer to any given dispute. So if you don’t want the courts to have that authority, whom would you give it to instead? I don’t see *not* resolving disputes about what the law is to be a workable solution. If someone thinks the Constitution requires that abortion be legal, and someone else thinks it requires that abortion be forbidden, and a third person who thinks the Constitution is silent on the question, who… Read more »

The Commenter Formerly Known As fp
The Commenter Formerly Known As fp
11 months ago
Reply to  Mike Freeman

If someone thinks the Constitution requires that murder be legal?? What’s next, someone thinking the Constitution should require men to become women?

Criminy, what is it with you and your Democrat talking points? Or is it a Party requirement to attempt to derail the conversation into giving airtime to your indefensible worldview?

Mike Freeman
Mike Freeman
11 months ago

What a great question dodge. The fact that you think there is only one obviously right answer does not mean that everyone (or for that matter anyone) agrees with you. So perhaps you could answer my question: When there is a dispute as to what the law is, who gets to resolve it?

Jack O'neal Hanley
Jack O'neal Hanley
11 months ago
Reply to  Mike Freeman

Mike,

It really was not a “a great question dodge” at all. Rather, the fact that he avoids the question you asked speaks volumes. As far as your question, “When there is a dispute as to what the law is, who gets to resolve it?” You silly rabbit, of course it will be the theonomists, theocrats, dominionists, Christian reconstructionists, and Christian nationalists, who will resolve the dispute. You need to get with the program.

The Commenter Formerly Known As fp
The Commenter Formerly Known As fp
11 months ago
Reply to  Mike Freeman

Ever consider that your question is irrelevant? The fact that you think trying to hijack the thread for your own partisan ends is hunky dory because you can’t tell the difference between an example and the point does not mean that everyone (or for that matter anyone) supports you, nor does it obligate me to humor you.

Mike Freeman
Mike Freeman
11 months ago

OK so you have no answer to the question. You don’t want the courts to resolve it, and you have no real alternative.

As for hijacking, you’re the one who brought up Marbury v Madison. I was simply responding to your comment.

The Commenter Formerly Known As fp
The Commenter Formerly Known As fp
11 months ago
Reply to  Mike Freeman

Silly Democrat. You go on believing your presumptuous fiction since it makes you feel better. After all, you, like your Affirmative Action hire Jumanji Jackson Brown, don’t know what a woman is, so why would I expect you to know what it looks like when I exercise my freedom of choice in not indulging your ghoulish obsession with infanticide? Now, if you’d like to make the case that there was a time when politicians, as a class, prioritized the best interests of the country above their own, then feel free. That might be an interesting debate since people tend to… Read more »

Mike Freeman
Mike Freeman
11 months ago

The best way to demonstrate that someone’s view is nonsense is to ask simple questions about the details of how to implement it, which is what I’m doing. Your position is complete nonsense as evidenced by the fact that you don’t have a simple answer to the question of who gets to decide. So instead you’re handwaving and table pounding and tossing insults and what abouting.

Maybe, for once, you could be an adult instead of a petulant child. One can always hope. Grownups know how to answer simple questions.

Jack O'neal Hanley
Jack O'neal Hanley
11 months ago

How in the world Marbury vs. Madison has anything to do with what I had to say is beyond my ability to comprehend. With this being the case allow us to get back to the questions I asked. Since Doug tells us, “we are also living in a time when squeakers can be arranged”, does this mean “squeakers” in the past could not be arranged? Next, do we know of any “squeakers” in our time which have been arranged? I can certainly understand why there would be those who would want to avoid these questions, but the fact that you… Read more »

Mike Freeman
Mike Freeman
11 months ago

Jack, in answer to your question, I suspect there has always been election hanky panky since the founding of the republic, but in a different form. Violence and voter intimidation are not unknown to our history. Secret ballots are of relatively recent vintage; it used to be that everyone knew whom everyone else had voted for, and your candidate was not locally popular you risked a beating or worse. Minorities were excluded from voting completely. And of course there was outright fraud at times; Richard Nixon probably should have won the 1960 election. So the fact that people cheat is… Read more »

The Commenter Formerly Known As fp
The Commenter Formerly Known As fp
11 months ago

If you honestly think that our historical norm is politicians holding hands, singing Kumbaya around the campfire, then you are historically illiterate. And that’s putting it nicely.

¿Comprende?

Mike Freeman
Mike Freeman
11 months ago

OK, so you don’t have any answers to his simple questions either. Noted.

Jack O'neal Hanley
Jack O'neal Hanley
11 months ago

I have not said a word about “politicians holding hands, singing Kumbaya around the campfire”. Rather, since Doug has assured us that “squeakers in our time can be arranged” my question is, do we know of any elections which have been arranged in the last few years? As you can see, I have narrowed it down to one single question in order to see if you can answer just one? So again, do we know of any elections which have been arranged in the last few years? Allow me to tell you what I know. We have had those who… Read more »

Mike Freeman
Mike Freeman
10 months ago

Jack, here’s the dynamic. Trump supporters are like a 15-year-old girl who is dating a high school dropout with a substance abuse problem for no reason other than that her parents hate him. She knows, inside, that he’s nothing but trouble. However, being a rebellious teenager, spiting her parents is more important to her. So, someday she’ll come home from a date with a black eye, or call her parents from jail, or find out that he’s sleeping with five other women, and the relationship will be over. One hopes he won’t get her pregnant first. It’s the exact dynamic… Read more »

Jack O'neal Hanley
Jack O'neal Hanley
10 months ago
Reply to  Mike Freeman

Mike, I understand exactly what you are saying. In fact, the reason I voted for Trump in 2016 is exactly because you had those in the GOP establishment like Ted Cruz, Marco Rubio, and Linsey Graham insisting they would not allow Trump to win the nomination. I was like what? What exactly are you going to do about it? So then, while I understand what you are saying, I am not convinced it is the whole of the picture. I am concerned more with the fact that we have Christians who are claiming Trump has been sent by God, and… Read more »

Cherrera
Cherrera
10 months ago
Reply to  Mike Freeman

Seriously? From defending Sam “I steal women’s clothes” Brinton to making some of the worst arguments I’ve ever read trying to deny the overrepresentation of trans mass shooters (and there have been more since you did that), you’ve been the queen of takes of that age horribly. The fact you’re now tag teaming with pathological liar Jack is quite fitting. And there’s no reason bother with cessation when you deny God’s clear word on most every issue. You’re still this guy until you repent.

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Mike Freeman
Mike Freeman
10 months ago
Reply to  Cherrera

OK, so you also don’t have a response to the question of who gets to decide if not the courts. Noted.

Mike Freeman
Mike Freeman
10 months ago
Reply to  Cherrera

And since you’re so fond of rehashing stuff from earlier threads, you were recently called out as a liar for having falsely claimed someone said something that they didn’t. From: The Moral Obligation of Knowing What the Heck Is Going On | Blog & Mablog (dougwils.com) Cherrera: Keep in mind, Kathleen tried to justify the real insurrection: 6+ months of burning, looting, murder, assaults, shutting down interstates & attacking cars, to the tune of over $2 billion in damage, over 30 deaths and hundreds of injured police officers. Kathleen: Oh really. When did I justify the Floyd riots? I don’t… Read more »

Jennifer Mugrage
11 months ago

Gerald, as someone who spent a total of 6 years working with other Christians in SE Asia, cross-cultural relationships do take a ton of energy and, even after years, there can be hurt feelings among people who would not be considered fragile in their own cultures. If the parties involved are not Christians, there does seem to be a natural shelf life of the relationship. Usually, the stage that is most fun is the first one. It gets harder, not easier, from there. Of course, spiritual warfare is involved in this too. But on the whole, cross-cultural friendship, marriage, etc.… Read more »

Zeph
11 months ago

I have noticed that as well. When the cross cultural relationships aren’t among Christians, the shelf life tends to be the length of the job or the length of time your kids are on the same sports team. Exceptions, but that tends to be the rule.

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Anonymous
Anonymous
10 months ago

My experience has been the opposite. My university was mostly international students, and most of my friends were from other countries, and most weren’t Christian. There can be misunderstandings, but if you put a little effort in to learn about the culture and try to be kind, and they do the same, the cultural differences aren’t really an issue. Lots of my life long friends are from various places across the world, and the friendships didn’t have a shelf life of just while I was in school. I think you just have to be culturally sensitive and self aware, and… Read more »

Anonymous
Anonymous
10 months ago
Reply to  Anonymous

To clarify, I understand that cross cultural ministry is way harder than what I’m talking about, but ministry is harder than other things in general. But I think friendships or marriages or whatever get easier over time and aren’t too big of deal, ministry I can imagine being harder

Kristina
Kristina
11 months ago

We don’t see the stars themselves, we see the light from them. And the light we see tonight ‘left’ the stars long ago.

Tom Sheppard
Tom Sheppard
11 months ago

Andy,

I want to comment on your question about creationist astronomy. Look at the biblicalscienceinstitute.com. Dr. Jason Lisle. Creationist astronomer. Has also written on logic, the Scriptures, and the ultimate proof of creation. Look him up on YouTube and then invite him to come to your church.

Zeph
11 months ago

The most famous cosmic event in the last thousand years was the explosion of the Crab Nebula. You could see it for three months in the daytime and three years at night. It was like Earth had two moons. It was the inspiration for William the conqueror to invade England

agb
agb
11 months ago

Most of the time, the votes are disparate enough that a winner can be projected/announced well before all the votes have been counted.”

Even if that is true, it doesn’t excuse the media practice of calling the winner they like best before the polls have even closed in half the country.

All that is is a transparent attempt to discourage everyone west of the Mississippi from even getting a say.

De Bok
De Bok
11 months ago

I’m reading from The Biggest Story for my 4yo. It is great. It might be to much for a 2yo in my opinion.
The coolest thing about The Biggest Story is that Kevin DeYoung focuses on how each story fits into the big story, and he does it in a way that is accessible to small children.
It is also a fun read, many children bible-story books take themselves too seriously. The Biggest Story skips over many details, and has many jokes sprinkled in for good measure.

Dave
Dave
11 months ago
Reply to  De Bok

I’ve been reading Carine McKenzie’s “365 Great Bible Stories” to my 1yo at night. Its strengths are that it covers the whole narrative portions thoroughly, not shying away from some of the more difficult events; it does not have any purported images of Christ, and there’s a small application at the end of each page. The only drawback I’ve seen is that it calls anger per se a sin in a passage on a wisdom book; I’ve needed to edit that. Remember, Bible story books are books about Scripture, they are not Scripture.

Andrew Lohr
Andrew Lohr
11 months ago

Bible story books? I like “The Hosanna Bible.” It does not shy from miracles. (A different book turns the Bible’s “God told Paul” into “Paul had a feeling this was so.”) Not deep. Some turns of phrase: Cain’s “Am I my brother’s keeper?” into “Is it my job to take care of him?”; Jonah “The big fish near Tarshish.” My kids before they learned to take care of books wore one copy out.

David J.
David J.
10 months ago

Aaron: Maybe also check out Christ Reformed Church in Nampa. We’d love to have you!