“Here’s a thought experiment for you. Take a couple of princes from the seventeenth century, one Catholic and one Protestant, and both of them experienced soldiers. Show them, in a vision, the battle of the Somme, the bombing of Dresden, the battle of Midway, the Great Leap Forward, the gulags of communism, and the two atomic bombs dropped on Japan. These men would be, in turns, appalled, thrilled, horrified, and appalled some more. But they wouldn’t laugh at you until you mentioned that all this was a small price to pay for the deliverance from blood that it was providing for us. Why do we believe things like the ludicrous memes that teach us that secularism delivered us from bloodshed?” (Empires of Dirt, p. 161).
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