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Civil Courts?

Regarding 1 Corinthians 6 and “Whose Ox is Being sued” The text of 1 Corinthians 6 is straightforward enough in its prohibition of Christians taking one another to an unbelieving court to settle civil matters. That said, does Jesus not implicitly turn at least some civil matters over to the courts in Luke 12:13-14? By my reading, his words explicitly reject jurisdiction over the matter the brother brings to him, and implicitly turns it over to a court.

I realize the bigger point Jesus is making is about greed, as made clear by verse 15. But how do you read the Luke and 1 Corinthians passages next to each other?

Thanks

Nathan

Nathan, the problem is not with civil courts, but with believers settling their differences before unbelieving civil courts. In a Christian republic, I would think that two brothers in a dispute should settle their differences in civil court. And that is the kind of situation I think the Lord was assuming.

Negative Connotations

Re: Hardly the Charge of the Light Brigade Curious why you cede the word “sexist” to the other side in the battle over who controls the dictionary. Given its negative connotation, shouldn’t Christians pick another term to describe themselves? It seems traditionalist or even complementarian would be preferable alternatives.

Reed

Reed, right. But where did the negative connotation come from? Who gave it that connotation? It is the same people who want to call me a climate denier for thinking they shouldn’t be in charge of the weather.

Electoral Tricksiness

I live in South Carolina and am planning to vote for President Trump in the general election. If I vote for Bernie Sanders in the Democrat primary, would that be the moral equivalent of deceiving an enemy in battle?

Amanda

Amanda, I like the thinkery involved, but I think it best that we not go subtle on this one.

Good Idea, Actually

I would like to recommend the addition of “What in Tarnation?” to the categories or tags for your blogs. Several items would fit the bill, but this one might take the cake.

The title, “Sex Robots May Cause Psychological Damage”, might be more accurate if changed to “Sex Robots Will Worsen Spiritual Damage.” Of course, there might be a few who think all is kosher given the fact that St Paul neglected to mention robots in the last half of Romans 1.

On second thought, “What in Tarnation?” might not be strong enough language.

John

John, and yet, “what in tarnation?” is descriptive.

Jail Bait

What are your thoughts on a just-turned 15 year old girl at our church who also happens to live with her family across the street from us, who frequently invites our 22-year-old son to do social activities with her and her two older brothers? She might suggest a hike or board games at their house. It is obvious the two like each other, although the girl’s father has said she is too young to court. My question is, “do you think her initiation of these activities is appropriate?”

Susan

No. And it is not appropriate no matter who initiates. Whenever this happens, your son needs to make a point of being on the other side of town.

What Gives?

I appreciate the sharp observation and commentary, and the optimism, but I have a question about the optimism. What is the source of your estimate of “three to five years” more of progressive madness before the corrective “lurch”? Seems pretty quick-like; I hope it’s true. Thanks for the work.

Jason

Jason, I say that because I see certain genuine signs of restiveness already.

Memorial Homilies

I recently read Bone of My Bones and Flesh of My Flesh and benefited from them a great deal and have taken to rereading them with my wife. I was wondering if you have ever considered gathering and publishing your funeral homilies — Dust Unto Dust, perhaps.

Todd

Todd, thank you. I have been collecting them, but I don’t have enough yet. When I do . . .

So Then

130: Pete Buttigieg

Please will you pronounce it “Butt – I – Gig”

That seems appropriate, and may inform certain Iowa voters.

Also, it was great to see a President with many wives give a high honor to R. Limbuagh, who is currently on wife #4. This is the impotence of our options in 2020

Ron

Ron, you are exactly right. This does represent the impotence of our options.

I Love It When People Recommend Books

You should check out a novel by Scott Johnston, Campusland. It’s a satire about the craziness occurring on campuses. Funny and very entertaining. I think you would like it.

Brent

Brent, already bought it, and started in. It seems promising.

Totalitumtum?

Just a personal note to appreciate and support you. That you even have to explain the “why and how” of it to fellow Christians illustrates just HOW sad the way is.

Reaching over to your original post on topic, while “totalitantrum” is good, I vote we keep looking for the new word but use that word in the meantime. “Totali…” is the right beginning.

Press on, brother! And thank you

John

John, totalitotalled?

Books and More

I’m a big fan of your blog and have recently been quite inspired by your content (and that of others) to grow a backbone. I have just started a one year course in the philosophy of the humanities, and I hope to bring theology into the game. Would you be willing to point me in the direction of some resources pertinent to this?

Would be much appreciated!

Best regards,

Simeon

Simeon, start with Idols for Destruction by Schlossberg and We Become Like What We Worship by Beale.

Trump and Some Canadian Head Scratching

You and your family have been a source of encouragement to my wife and me for almost two years. Not uncommonly we find your blog to be a source of humour, insight, and wisdom; my wife reads Rachael’s books, my kids watch Hello Ninja. We want to send them to NSA if we can someday. We trust your perspective because you continually ground it in Scripture and its end is never for self-glorification. But (yes, here comes the challenge) I’m usually at odds with you on Trump. It’s a stumbling block between you and me though you don’t know it. I’m Canadian and so it might be said at the outset that my perspective isn’t valid because I don’t have to vote in 2020. We are, however, both believers and that will provide some common ground between us. I would also wager that you have readers just like me who are perhaps puzzled by your positions on politics (though I know you have thoroughly explained how you arrive where you do) but keep coming back because we know that this webpage yields good and not evil.

For an as-short-as-possible background (to give you some perspective where I’m coming from) I, for a long time, tried to reconcile ‘progressive’ beliefs with Christian ones. I knew some American Republicans at my Canadian university and at the time I found their devotion to the Party repugnant. It didn’t seem to matter what was said or done — if it was done by a Republican, it was OK’d; if it was done by a Democrat, it was heinous. The reverse never happened. It seemed so obvious that policy didn’t matter; it was just a sports arena, a battle of the bands. This particular feeling was only intensified by the pagan artists I followed and by the Liberals I knew who construed Republicans as racist Christian homophobes who were trying to ensure that hatred and poverty thrived throughout the land. I know that’s not true, I also know there are likely Democrats, Christian or not, who have fallen in line with awful policy in order to avoid being lumped in with the ‘Christian fascists’. Because I’m typically a genial and well-meaning guy I was able to associate with either ‘side’ without being cast into a mold.

A more faithful reading of Scripture helped me realize the glaring idiosyncrasies between my political beliefs and my Christian ones. That however, once resolved, presented further problems. In Canada, there is no major party where a Christian can faithfully cast a vote. We have 2-3 different iterations of liberal and 1 major conservative party that, for lack of a better term, could be described as Conservative nihilism. They foist some conservative fiscal policies but keep social policy as far away as possible. They appeal to the religious vote but have absolutely no intentions of seeking policy for them. What I’m trying to demonstrate is that the political situation in Canada presents some sticky issues to the conscientious Christian voter. And yet they are not nearly as difficult (I would think) as whether or not to cast a vote for Donald Trump. I question how you can, by voting for Trump, have “the sensation of doing something [you] believe to be righteous, in the first instance, and in the second, [that you feel will also be] very, very naughty.” Is this not the same man who said he said he could stand on New York’s Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody and still not lose voters? Who was recorded as saying:

“I better use some Tic Tacs just in case I start kissing her. You know I’m automatically attracted to beautiful—I just start kissing them. It’s like a magnet. Just kiss. I don’t even wait. And when you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. Grab ’em by the pussy. You can do anything.”

Who promised to build a Mexican-financed wall along your southern border? Who said he would tear up NAFTA and instead re-negotiated it? Who has advocated for the torture of military prisoners?

I get it. You have said his character issues are not in question by anyone. And that we need to have grace for the faults of others. That we need to look not at what he has said but what he has done (were the high places torn down?). But are you ever worried that the well has been poisoned? That you drink because the West has become a political desert and we’ve just arrived at the first well in a long while? That you ran a battery of tests on that well and they showed no concerns but you ignored the fat chunk of lead at the very bottom?

If you had said something to the effect of “this is hard for me, but it’s a strategic vote,” I probably would sympathize but your tone in the last six months has changed from cautious to cautiously optimistic. I’m not advocating for a democratic candidate; I’m not a republican either: God Save the Queen. I’m wondering if my observation from years ago remains – Republican = good, Democrat = bad. You compared Trump to Ahab, I’ll compare him to Nebuchadnezzar in that I hope he is humbled the same way. That’s how it looks from up here (straight north from Moscow actually).

Jordan

Jordan, I don’t think we are as far apart as you might think. Just the other day I recorded a Plodcast where I argued that Trump was cruising for the Nebuchadnezzar bovine award. But I do remain grateful (and surprised) at the reprieve that God is giving us. An entirely undeserved reprieve, I might add.

The Central Issue With Slavery

I want to begin by saying that I have been greatly blessed by your ministry over the past several years since I started listening to your sermons and your podcasts, as well a reading your blog and several of your books. I consider you to be one of the most competent and faithful ministers of the gospel currently active and I thank God for you.

That said, it seems to me that you did not deal with the foundational reason ante-bellum slavery was so offensive to God and, thus, incurred His wrath the way it did. To take a human being, made in the image of the living God, and turn that human being and his or her progeny into chattels, in perpetuity, is according to Scripture, not only a sin, but also capital crime. And, this is true no matter how well, or poorly you treat your slaves once you have robbed them of their freedom and the fruits of their labor.

While it is possible to compound the sin of man stealing by treating slaves harshly, it is not possible to justify that sin by treating slaves kindly. To illustrate: if I decided to grab you off the street and lock you in my basement, it wouldn’t matter how well I treated you, I simply don’t get to do that. You, as an image bearer of the living God, belong to Him, not me, and it would be the height of presumption for me to think I have the right to turn you into a piece of my property.

I would submit to you that the reason God visited the most destructive war in US history on the nation was not because many slaves were treated harshly, but because they were made slaves at all.

Paul

Paul, it is true that kidnapping for purposes of slave trading was a capital offense. But it is also true that the New Testament is filled with instructions on how to be a godly slave owner. That bare fact has to be dealt with in an exegetically responsible way.

Conflict is Interesting

Hardly the Charge of the Light Brigade The strategic method you refer to in this post is something I have recognized in the life of Jesus and his Apostles, and it’s interesting. Jesus did not have a publicity manager and the primary media outlets in that age were live public displays and word of mouth, yet a major component of the mission is to get wide spread distribution of the message. The method for this distribution seems to be that the controversial nature of the message is its own publicity. Take the message to the most public places where ideas are shared and preach and defend it, particularly when you know it’s going to cause a public outrage. The outrage over the message will carry the message. The Apostles were coached on the fact that they would follow the same method of publicity as Jesus (Matthew 10:18-28) (John 21:19) (Acts 9:15) and as the reformer said, “It’s a feature, not a flaw.”

Who God is and His economics are an offense to all flesh. A God centered worldview is going to obliterate the senses of those who are of the seed of the serpent (Luke 4:22-30) and their offended senses are going to stir the pot and thus draw the attention of the public and thus more hearers, and among these hearers are the elect. The hype of haters only further serves the purposes of God, most notably seen in the providence of the crucifixion of the Son of God. The more they stir, the more they thicken the cream. The purposes of God cannot be thwarted, even by the most disobedient of men (Psalm 2:1-5). Their disobedience obeys Him.

God and his Apostles seem to support a Trump-esque “all publicity is good publicity” type approach when it comes to the truth of God (Philippians 1:15-18). I also think this method is why, at least in part, Jesus during His short ministry intentionally unqualified some hard statements. He knew some, without warrant, would not be charitable in their interpretation of what was said and the controversy of these malicious misinterpretations would only serve to spread the word about Himself. “Did you hear about this cannibalistic religion that’s going around? You have to eat the leader’s flesh and drink his blood to gain eternal life? You’re also required to hate your father and mother and brothers and sisters?” Good news spreads fast, but bad news travels even faster. I think your ministry and your No Quarter November campaigns are built in this vain and I think it is a good thing. “Did you hear about the pastor who told all Christians to burn down all the schools? I also heard he said that Sexism is Good. I’ll send you the link.” Even though the other team has to force the declaration into the worst possible interpretation, this only further serves the purposes of God in spreading the message (Ecclesiastes 2:26).

Many pastors and evangellyfish need to get over the fact that if we just phrase it rightly enough and qualify it enough, then the world will come around to be able to appreciate it. The truth is always going to be unappreciated in a fallen world no matter how much you try to sweeten it (as if it the sweetest possible news could be made any sweeter). I think I heard you provide the following advice to pastors facing challenges in trying to change culture both in and out of the church, “Don’t try to solve the problem. Be the problem.” Just say what the Bible says and show how it says it (2 Timothy 4:2) and welcome all the resistance that comes with open arms. 1. State the positions of God. 2. both the positions and you will be hated. 3. The hatred will draw attention through intrigue so be prepared with the defense from scripture. 4. The soundness of the defense will be appreciated by those who have ears to hear (Mathew 13:12-14). 5. Those who appreciate it will serve the cause. Don’t necessarily get hung up on everyone who doesn’t have ears.

I thank God for all the pastors who do not shrink back from teaching the whole counsel of God. I wouldn’t have the relationship with God and freedom from sin that I have today without them.

Rope

Rope, thanks.

Storms, Piper, and Burk

As you have a vested interest in this topic (as evidenced by your frequent addressing of topics similar), I would very much like to see your take on this friendly discussion involving Sam Storms, John Piper, and Denny Burk.

Smith

Smith, I appreciate the friendliness in the exchange, and am much closer to Piper and Burk on this one.

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Sam
Sam
4 years ago

Thanks so much for “Not that Simple.” It’s a welcome clarification on some of the controversies with “Southern Slavery.” This definitely belongs in the Controversy Library. Whether it might stop the screeching from your detractors might be a big ask, but it can’t hurt.

Bro. Steve
Bro. Steve
4 years ago

I asked the kids in my Sunday School what they’d do with a Powerball win. One kid wanted an F-16 (fairly good choice), and another wanted a Ford GT. I suggested that with a great big pile of money like that, they could all buy slaves (pregnant pause) and set them free. It’s one of the few times I’ve ever given kids a thought so new that their mouths dropped open and they all got quiet for a moment. If a guy owned a bunch of slaves in a society that still practiced that sort of thing, a really Christlike… Read more »

Jsm
Jsm
4 years ago
Reply to  Bro. Steve

You could set a few free until you run out of money or you could set up a way for them to earn their freedom. This would allow you to continue the process making it likely for many more slaves to be set free

Bro. Steve
Bro. Steve
4 years ago
Reply to  Bro. Steve

DCL,

In that case, we might consider doing a second thing and help a slave get on his feet financially. If a farm needed slaves, then it definitely needed workers. Why couldn’t freed slaves be paid workers instead?

All the too-exacting, exegetical hubbub about slavery is missing something really important. Being freed from slavery is everywhere represented as a good thing (e.g., “redeemed from the house of bondage…” Dt 13:5, “but if thou mayest be made free, use it rather…” 1 Co 7:21). Why would a Christian not wish to pull in the direction of liberty?

Malachi
Malachi
4 years ago

On Electoral Tricksiness: I wonder if there aren’t more people actively engaging in that sort of deception precisely to give the Prog-Libs multiple chills up their legs and then pull the electoral rug out from under their feet in the General Election. Frankly, the freak-fest that follows is a fulsome feast. On Jail Bait: I am curious about the quick and unqualified “no” given as a response. If based on the fact that the girl’s father has said she is too young, then that is enough. The father is her shield and defender. If, on the other hand, the “no”… Read more »

JohnM
JohnM
4 years ago
Reply to  Malachi

However, our law does have a category for statutory rape and our law does more than frown, and I assume Doug was advising the young man put a good distance between himself and the invitation for his own safety, if for no other reason.

Jane
Jane
4 years ago
Reply to  Malachi

Besides JohnM’s point that in our actual legal climate, age truly is a legitimate reason in itself, there’s also the point that culture matters. Assuming this is not a very unusual, quite counter-cultural, nearly entirely closed community, the cultural assumptions surrounding the young man and the young lady’s upbringing will be such that it is highly unlikely that two people of such ages could be pursuing courtship in an appropriate and wise manner. A pastor like Doug who lives in 21st century America might well decide that in 21st century America, 15 and 22 ought have nothing to do one… Read more »

Malachi
Malachi
4 years ago
Reply to  Jane

Legal issues only arise when laws are broken, which (correct me if I’m wrong) only address matters of actual intercourse. In a healthy and godly relationship, legal issues would never surface. However, we DO have cultural issues to consider. Our culture, warped and confused and inconsistent and deviant as it is, responds to a 22/15 marriage with a profound “EEWWWWWWW!”

Is it, therefore, WISE to allow 22 and 15 to hang out? Probably not. But the hanging out is neither sinful nor necessarily bad.

Jane
Jane
4 years ago
Reply to  Malachi

It’s not just that our culture responds badly to 22 and 15. It’s that our culture doesn’t really facilitate the raising of 15 year olds to be ready for marriage or even ready to contemplate whether a given man is a good choice for marriage, even with a lot of effort by godly parents, which is the only reason to hang out a lot with a person of the opposite sex. I stand by my belief that it is entirely legitimate to take a stance against this kind of situation where a 15 year old is involved. The incredibly rare… Read more »

Jane
Jane
4 years ago
Reply to  Malachi

It certainly suggests that all is not well, but to the question asked, the answer covers every possibility. Given the medium, answering the questions asked is probably all that is appropriate.

Jane
Jane
4 years ago

The Storms/Piper/Burk link has been removed. What was the topic?

Nathan Tuggy
Nathan Tuggy
4 years ago
Reply to  Jane

Links in the letters section often get munged accidentally, usually with spurious spaces in the URL. (This is probably due to copy-pasting from an email program that doesn’t quite handle internal email line wrapping right.) Taking the spaces out usually works, which I assume is what Shawn Paterson did.

Reed
Reed
4 years ago

Re: Negative Connotations Doug responded: “Reed, right. But where did the negative connotation come from? Who gave it that connotation? It is the same people who want to call me a climate denier for thinking they shouldn’t be in charge of the weather.” That’s precisely why I don’t think we should use terms like “sexist” to describe ourselves. Having ceded the definition are we now prepared to identify with such slanderous accusations? The way I see it, there are two possible strategies: seek to establish alternative definitions, or use alternative terms. “Sexism” could be used to describe those who advocate… Read more »

Matt
Matt
4 years ago

Southern Slavery As It Was will linger around until you actually disavow it. A true disavowal, “I was wrong and should not have written this”, not a weak “some things may have been worded imprecisely”. If your pride prevents you from doing this, then you’ve made your bed.

Slavery was horrendous. If it were practiced on white christian Idahoans you would see that immediately and it would be the worst injustice in history. If it were practiced by the North you would never be seeking to apply nuance to it.

Malachi
Malachi
4 years ago
Reply to  Matt

But is WAS practiced by the North. And just so you’re aware, it was practiced on Whites and Asians as well. Northerners were not paragons of virtue. No one denies that the institution of American slavery was sinful. So was Roman slavery, and yet…we have the Apostle Paul telling masters how to treat their slaves, not how to free them. We see Paul telling runaway slaves to return to their masters, not where to find the nearest underground railroad. And the inconvenient truth is that for many slaves, their individual and family lives within the sinful institution were NOT “horrendous.”… Read more »

JP Stewart
JP Stewart
4 years ago
Reply to  Malachi

There were also many white slaves sent to the U.S. from England. Some were also sent to the Caribbean where most quickly died due to the heat. The term “kidnap” is from the 17th century meaning “steal children to provide servants to the American colonies.” They were often considered a lesser investment than black slaves and treated worse.

The children of these slaves are modern “rednecks, hillbillies and trailer trash” that the media and Hollywood love to denigrate. I don’t think any of them are holding their breath waiting for reparations, though.

Matt
Matt
4 years ago
Reply to  Malachi

Northerners weren’t paragons of virtue, but at least they managed to ban slavery. A low bar to be sure, but the South couldn’t even clear that.

I’m sure it was of great comfort to the slaves as their children were taken and sold for profit that at least they were no longer burdened by the practice of voodoo religions.

Bryce Young
Bryce Young
4 years ago
Reply to  Matt

It was horrendous and an abominable injustice—the fact that you think it’s the “worst injustice in history” is ludicrous and shows that you’ve not cared to research the history of slavery in the world.

Matt
Matt
4 years ago
Reply to  Bryce Young

You have misunderstood something. I made no claims about ranking injustices.

Malachi
Malachi
4 years ago
Reply to  Matt

But you DID make the statement that Pastor Wilson needs to “disavow” his book, which depicts Southern slavery as it truly was. Unfortunately, your call for a complete disavowal followed by accusations of Wilson’s pride and disparate standards suggests that you have not studied the topic very carefully. Emotional bias is a real thing and appears to pervade your comments. Also, those Northerners, whom you suggested did not practice slavery, would be happy for you to continue forgetting that they actually did.

Matt
Matt
4 years ago
Reply to  Malachi

To be clear here, I am not demanding anything of Doug Wilson. I don’t actually care what he does, and I have the lowest of expectations regarding his behavior. But every now and then, he complains that people are making fun of him for writing Southern Slavery As It Was, and it confuses me. If he wants people to stop bringing it up, then he should say that he was wrong and disavow it. If he won’t do that, then people will go on making fun of him. His insistence that everyone needs to read the latest 300 page book… Read more »

JP Stewart
JP Stewart
4 years ago
Reply to  Matt

“If it were practiced on white christian Idahoans you would see that immediately and it would be the worst injustice in history.”

Yeah, Doug whines all day about how oppressed he is as a white Northwesterner. Seriously, how do you woke supremacists dream up this stuff?

Justin Parris
Justin Parris
4 years ago
Reply to  Matt

“Southern Slavery As It Was will linger around until you actually disavow it. A true disavowal, “I was wrong and should not have written this”, not a weak “some things may have been worded imprecisely”. The quantity of qualifiers you have to place in front of your demand exposes the nature of your demand. “Actually” and “true” serve no purpose in the statement other than to assert without evidence that something was lacking in his disavowal. In order for you to even attempt this argument, you need to actually, really, and truly show that he is wrong in some capacity.… Read more »

Matt
Matt
4 years ago
Reply to  Justin Parris

The thing lacking in the disavowal would be the disavowal. What was disavowed again? He took one passage and claimed it may have underrated the number of bad apples and could have been written more precisely. He didn’t recant anything, didn’t retract anything. Indeed you seem to believe he had no need to.

As long as Wilson stands by Southern Slavery as it was, there is no reason for anyone else to stop making fun of him for it.

Milton Woelk
Milton Woelk
4 years ago

Regarding Evangelical Support for Trump: Serious question. If Pete Buttigieg is the Democratic nominee (which I do not expect to happen, but nothing surprises me any more), how will all of the evangelicals who have been supporting Trump despite his blatant and proud displays of sexual immorality, suddenly pivot and decide that a candidate’s sexual immorality is important after all? Doesn’t supporting Trump disqualify Christians from opposing Buttigieg? It strikes me that if we overlook Trump’s sexual shenaningans because we like his Supreme Court justices, then we’re in no position to criticize Buttigieg’s sexual behavior either. And making the claim… Read more »

Milton Woelk
Milton Woelk
4 years ago
Reply to  Milton Woelk

To the moderator: I think I accidentally typed in the wrong email address. I said abewoelk@gmail.com and it should be abewoelk86@gmail.com Sorry.

Alex
Alex
4 years ago
Reply to  Milton Woelk

At least to me (and I assume many other evangelicals) the question of “Does this person want to support and expand the death of children in the womb?” tends to…trump…questions of sexual morality. I don’t know of any Trump supporters among my peers that are oblivious or hand-wave away Trump’s sexual shenanigans. It’s simply considered among quite a few other things going on. But besides that…are we not allowed to make distinction between types of sexual sins? It is a well-spread cultural lie that homosexual activity is just as equal or valid as heterosexual activity. Just one of many things… Read more »

Malachi
Malachi
4 years ago
Reply to  Milton Woelk

You might get “laughed off the stage” for making distinctions between adultery/divorce/promiscuity and homosexuality/mirage, but that’s the price for speaking God’s words after Him. It is often the case that nobody buys what God’s selling.

Armin
Armin
4 years ago
Reply to  Milton Woelk

Several reasons:

1) Trump is more likely to carry out certain parts of our political agenda which would result in a better society for ourselves and our children.
2) Trump does not appear to be engaged in his shenanigans anymore, whereas Buttigieg is.
3) Sodomy is fundamentally different from adultery in that adultery involves natural sexual acts, only done in a sinful context, whereas sodomy is a fundamentally perverted act. I’d rather have a former womanizer as a president than a sex pervert.

-BJ-
-BJ-
4 years ago
Reply to  Milton Woelk

When Trump starts celebrating adultery with a flag and arguing for the goodness of it and kissing his mistress in public and calling those who disagree with him bigots and arguing that the Bible really supports adultery, then we can treat this as an equivalent circumstance.

Until then, your argument that we are somehow disqualified looks silly.

JP Stewart
JP Stewart
4 years ago
Reply to  Milton Woelk

Since campaigning for president before the 2016 election, when has Trump bragged about his sexual immorality? He has renounced his past affairs as far as I know. Buttiboy is currently in a sodomite “marriage.” Clinton leveraged his position while president to seduce a much younger intern. Obama is well known for his early sexual exploits…which may have continued into his marriage by some accounts. Exactly which chaste candidates or former presidents are we comparing to Trump here anyway?

Matt
Matt
4 years ago
Reply to  Milton Woelk

You are missing that this is a bubble and anyone laughing is bad and ought to be ignored.

Justin Parris
Justin Parris
4 years ago
Reply to  Milton Woelk

“how will all of the evangelicals who have been supporting Trump despite his blatant and proud displays of sexual immorality, suddenly pivot and decide that a candidate’s sexual immorality is important after all?”

I can scarcely imagine why they would need to, as a Trump voter is unlikely to have many reasons to vote for Buttigieg on the issues.

ron
ron
4 years ago
Reply to  Milton Woelk

Milton, humbly, you are missing something. Many who supported Trump in 2016 profess the name of Christ falsely. Many who support Trump in 2020 will do so not on the basis of his multiple wives and infidelity, but because of his “March for Life” or Daytona 500 appearances. America long ago accepted hetero divorce/remarriage/infidelity as the norm. Homosexuality is still a bit icky (but we’re certainly moving away from that, aren’t we? I would encourage you to “give it a generation”, but homosexuality doesn’t produce any offspring.) Anyone attempting to hold Trump up as a paragon of virtue is in… Read more »

kyriosity
kyriosity
4 years ago

I’d just like to confess that, while the members of Christ Church are, by and large, very supportive of Doug’s literary endeavors, we’re not wildly enthusiastic about the accumulation of material for the proposed book of funeral homilies.