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So First, Stickergate Letters

To the Wilson Family,, All I can say is God bless you for your courage, in the face of injustice. The appalling behavior by your mayor and police department indicates the severity of the loss of our God-given rights as put forth by our Bill of Rights in the United States Constitution.

May the enemies of our freedoms suffer shame and defeat; and as you serve God, may you emerge in victory.

God Bless You All in Jesus Name!

P.S. Is there any way I can help (besides prayer)?

Mike

Mike, thanks. Yes, there is a legal defense fund, if you feel so inclined.

Just wanted to send a note of encouragement!!

I had just read about the latest fiasco that you’re enduring there in your home town of Moscow, Idaho on the Daily Wire, Good grief what has gotten into the water up there . . . smh

Keep the faith and we are another day closer to our Lords return!!

Respectfully,

Ted

Ted, thanks.

Don’t be chicken. Thank you for your family sticking up for their rights. You are in my prayers.

Richard

Richard, thanks very much.

RE: Sticklers Stamping Out Stickers Pastor Doug,

May I humbly submit to your son, by way of you as messenger, that he has been hiding behind his fancy authorial initials and cool-kid-nickname “Nate” for far too long, and God has finally revealed his appointed his hour. Let him at long last don his full namesake of Nathan, and go and cry out against the two female city lawyers, “YOU are the man!”

At the rate things are going I can’t see how doing so could make matters any worse, but I’d be delighted to see them somehow become even funnier, if that’s still in a neighboring parallel universe of possibility somewhere.

Patrick

Patrick, thanks. He was actually named for the prophet Nathan, who delivered the rebuke, and for the king who received it—Nathan David.

Thank you for your efforts to fight for the gospel against the pieties and powers of this world. I agree that close scrutiny must be placed on every effort to regulate speech. However, outside of Moscow the primary controllers of what one can and can’t say or write are not in government but its journalistic sycophants and the commissars of human resource departments. From what I can see this is one of those “not whether, but which” issues. If there isn’t a central declaration of what one can and can’t say, it seems every other megaphone holder and gatekeeper will jostle and throw elbows to get ahead of whatever looks like it’s going to be trendy to promote or exclude from the public discourse. As the economists teach us, a monopoly reduces supply. Perhaps America’s formal free-speech policy has created a competitive market for the censorious and increased their numbers.

Ash

Ash, yes. But it has also increased demand for spaces where we may still speak freely.

While it’s pretty apparent that the City of Moscow has it out for you Christ Church folks in prosecuting your grandsons over the sticker issue (since this is the first time they’ve ever prosecuted over this law), a few questions beg to be asked:

Why place stickers on public property? Why not just stick them on your car bumper, your store window, your coffee mug, etc. Why take it to public property? Seems like it’s asking for trouble.

And second of all—why place stickers on public property late at night? The press release mentioned Nate was sleeping when he got the call—must’ve been pretty late. If I were a cop, I’d be suspicious over two teenage boys running around after dark, placing stickers on public property. It certainly seems akin to someone running around town spraying graffiti on the walls – I’m certain the cops wouldn’t treat a graffiti artist with a warm smile.

I’m on your side regarding this issue. I just thought it’d be good to have some answers regarding the “why” of placing stickers on public property late at night.

Caleb

Caleb, just a few things in response. The stickers were going where stickers go. The light poles in our college town look like light poles in every college town. Secondly, they peel right off. Nothing was damaged, no vandalism. And third, during the day it would have been more likely that the cops would have been called after the first sticker or two, and the point was to make a statement, not to attempt to make a statement. But what they were doing was legal, and what the city has been doing ever since that first encounter has been illegal.

Just a quick clarification on the issue of selective prosecution. “the reason all of this looks like a selective prosecution is because it is one.” You are correct that the evidence is overwhelming that this is selective prosecution. What we still don’t know is that it is selective of Wilsons. While the following may be less likely, it may be selective of attending Christ Church or even because they dared to criticize our august power here in the city. Reading hearts is tricky, reading actions is much more straight forward.

Karl

Karl, that is a fair point, given what I have reported thus far. But I haven’t shared everything. This point is not a matter of reading hearts so much as it is reading material that subpoenas turned up.

Do you have any mechanism to share tips and advice for our church to follow in the footsteps of what you have done in Moscow, ID here in the Upstate of SC as far as going on the offense against culture instead of playing an eternal game of defense?

Kyle

Kyle, the main “mechanism” would be the preaching of the Word on the Lord’s Day. We go on the offense through a proclamation of the crown rights of the Lord Jesus.

Are the stickers for sale? How much and where can I get some? Proud of you Wilson clan and Co.

James

James, yes. The stickers are for sale at Canon Press, and all the proceeds go to the guys’ legal defense.

First, let me say it’s clear your grandsons have been charged for political and unfair purposes, and it’s clearly an obvious case of discriminatory practices, spare the existence of exceptional details of which I’m not aware, which I’m quite certain isn’t the case as I trust you wouldn’t be hiding or defending such details. Nothing I say from here is intended to cast doubt on that fact.

It occurs to me that your grandchildren are in a situation very similar to that of Ace in your book Ride, Sally, Ride, at least in my eyes. I struggled with the moral implications, reading R.S.R., of what I saw to be Ace’s sinful act of theft and destruction of property, while still recognizing the biblical idea that the punishment must match the crime. I spent quite a lot of time working through hypotheticals and analogies in my head trying to work out the real-world implications of your fictional piece, wondering how you saw the situation, and asking if I was missing something and Ace would have been justified, or if the character of Ace was perhaps not supposed to be fully aware that he’d sinned. The closest analogy I could come to in my head was if someone went to a restaurant and stole their idol to which they were burning incense, which is not an uncommon sight in my area of the country, and destroyed it, but was accused of a hate crime carrying an unjust punishment, unfitting of the crime, unlike if they’d stolen and destroyed the owner’s more valuable car which would have been termed “joyriding” and not taken that seriously legally. They would have done wrong, but also have been wronged legally.

At one point in my life, I admit I put stickers on public property such as light poles in an attempt at self-expression. I wasn’t caught, but had my father caught wind of it, I expect the reaction would have been one to remember. I’m torn between the seemingly obvious reality that your grandchildren are being attacked unjustly with the feeling that the action itself wasn’t entirely correct.

Forgive me if it’s a breach of etiquette to ask a grandfather such a question about his grandchildren, and I wouldn’t blame you for disregarding the message and ignoring it. I intend to no offense, nor, as I have said I have done the same thing, do I judge them as less respectable or devoted young men of God for what happened, but you’ve been fairly open about the situation and this question has been bouncing in my head since reading your book. So, am I misreading both situations and neither were sinful? Set me straight and help me see it how you see it, it wouldn’t be the first time you’ve helped me see something from a different angle.

Jim

Jim, thanks for the question. I read the situations as being quite distinct and different. The placing of the stickers was primarily an exercise of free speech, one consistent with the law, and with the customs of our people. The thing that made it stand out was that the message was critical of our city officials, and not, say, Christ Church or NSA. Stickers attacking us have been commonplace downtown for months, and nobody at the city cared about that. As they should not have cared. A sticker that says “Get Out” with NSA’s logo is free expression. But the city doesn’t get to start caring about stickers when the message is critical of them. So that is one thing. In Ride, Sally, Ride, the action that Ace took was meant to be parallel to the action of Phinehas when he speared that immoral couple. More like a declaration of war than anything else.

A bunch of us MDivs here in Minneapolis at Bethlehem College & Seminary stand with you! We’ll be praying, singing, and fasting for blessings for the City Council. How do we get ahold of some of those stickers?

Live adventurously and stay salty!

(Beg pardon on the exclamation point…)

JH

JH, thanks, and the salty exclamation point is pardoned. (!)

Has a legal defense fund been set up for Rory’s case? Even if your attorney takes the case pro bono, there are still expenses.

Thomas

Thomas, yes. Here you go.

I DO plan to donate something if asked.

BUT . . . one thing about you and other post-mill writers is you often come off as arrogant smart-aleks. (e.g. colorful put-downs, jabs, etc. against your opponents) It is something I’ve noticed over the years. YES, it may just be me. I may just be thin-skinned and lacking testosterone, but it seems to me it is lacking the meek (strength under control) and kind spirit that I understand a Christian is supposed to have. (A Christian should also be zealous, hate evil, courageous, etc.) . . . anyway, not sure why I chose this article to make this comment . . . but I do really enjoy your insights, and you do seem to be the real deal . . . Biblical, Christ-centered, Christ is All, etc. . . . anyway, like I said, if asked . . . I DO intend to donate, and I will be sure to go back and watch Tucker from March 1 (if it hasn’t been deleted yet) . . . and will be sure to watch (at least zip through) the whole thing from now on, and see if he has any news of y’all . . . Best regards,

Robert

Robert, thanks. And sorry to be the source of so many conflicting emotions. You are right that there is a line between being merry warriors and being cantankerous snarks, and we really do want to stay on the right side of that line. If you pray for us that way, we really would appreciate it.

Dear Pastor Wilson,

I had to hold my husband’s hand a little tighter than usual while reading these posts about Nate and your grandsons. I know you have taught us to sympathize and not empathize, but as I read aloud Nate’s press release, by all appearances it sure seemed like my husband was actually in your shoes, feeling your feelings. We are obediently seeking the Lord as you encouraged us to, praying blessing on these tyrants. However, I know my husband is tempted to think more along the lines of Peter’s sword and someone’s ear (or worse) right now. Instead, we will tame our monkeys, as your Rachel calls them. Perhaps my husband feels this defensive for you because of how instrumental you’ve been in our walk with God this year. We discovered your ministry about a year ago, a natural progression after first meeting Rachel and Nate at the Canon booth at a 2019 homeschool convention in Texas. My kids have loved Nate’s books for years, and we later realized your name was on several of our homeschool materials. It was fun to finally make the connection that you all were related.

But it wasn’t until a year ago that we found Blog & Mablog and the Plodcast. I am compelled to finally write you and tell you: We have been so encouraged by your writing and ministry. Nancy, Rachel, Rebekah, all of you. Grace Agenda videos. Man Rampant. Seriously, with the confusion of the world and the discovery of where some life-long friends really stand on things, which is naively centrist or flat out left, we have found we were more alone among them than we could have imagined. This year has been a year of conviction like never before, and after every Sunday’s Truth, every Monday we turn to your blog to find your fearless, honest voice.

We already have reaped many blessings since learning from you (and yours) the steps we critically needed to take. Not realizing before how secularism had seeped into our lives, and that it was never, ever neutral, we’re now in worship service every Sunday. No more online crap, no masks. No more staying home because kid’s Sunday classes aren’t being offered. NO. Everyone in our family learns to worship in the service; they span ages 6-16 and they now are all participating in both the war and the blessing through worship. We began Sabbath dinners and I ordered a Psalter. We are choir people, so we love singing already, but we’ve never really sung the Psalms in this way!! It is a fun, new challenge. We love the Christ Kirk app and the Canon app, and prior to finding those, the Bible reading Challenge, “How to be free from Bitterness”, “Eve in Exile”, and “You Who?” were game changers for us.

It’s just insane what is happening in Moscow, and dare I say, I think they have picked a fight with the wrong folks. We are praying tonight for you and your family. The hunter’s snare is already broken, and your sons will soon go free.

“Blest be the Lord who made us not their prey;
As from the fowler’s net a bird may flee,
So from their broken snare did we go free.
Our only help is in God’s holy name;
He made the earth and all the heav’nly frame.”

Psalm 124:6-8

Soli Deo Gloria,

Shelli

Shelli, thank you for such an encouraging letter.

On to Other Matters

I’m a 22 year old guy who’s planning on joining the army reserves to do civil affairs, and going to Bible College to pursue being a youth pastor. I was watching a video of your talk at Indiana University and heard that you served in the Navy. What was it like keeping your faith and growing in your relationship with Jesus in the service? This is something I am wrestling with, knowing that I too will have to “stand on my own two feet” in regards to my faith. God bless, thank you Sir!

Max

Max, the military has never been a bastion of righteousness, as everyone knows. But the military has been transformed in recent years, and they are now the enforcers of woke. I would do a lot more research before enlisting.

What are those of us who have served in the military and fought and killed for this country to think of the news coming out of Soviet Moscow? When I was fighting Islamic terrorists who would behead all of you simply because you’re from America, this is basically the opposite of what I thought I was fighting to preserve. Does that call into question the validity of our service and whatever worth or value it has left?

GRH

GRH, the world is a messy place, and I don’t think that subsequent disobedience of a nation nullifies or negates a Christian serviceman’s service. It would only have that effect if our service was somehow “sacred,” which it wasn’t.

Free Speech

How do you reconcile this;

“Then you shall speak to the children of Israel, saying: ‘Whoever curses his God shall [d]bear his sin. And whoever blasphemes the name of the Lord shall surely be put to death. All the congregation shall certainly stone him, the stranger as well as him who is born in the land. When he blasphemes the name of the Lord, he shall be put to death.”

with what you wrote,

“The foundational reason for insisting on free speech has to do with the Christian doctrine of the nature of man. Every restriction that is placed on men is a restriction that must be enforced by men. And the men who enforce are almost always a greater hazard to our liberties than the man in the street who wants to pop off about something. The men who enforce any restrictions on free speech have the same problem of sin that the general populace does, and in their case this sinfulness is combined with political power.”?

It seems to me God wasn’t concerned with our sinfulness being a barrier to punishing people for things they said. If cursing God was a crime, then it would be proper for the civil magistrate in our day to punish whose who curse Christ. This would include Mormons, JWs, and Muslims. Still it appears, Scripture is in direct opposition to our modern idea of free speech.

John

John, thanks. I need to write a good deal more about this, obviously, but here is the quick take. There is a difference between a theocracy that operates with God’s direct involvement, and a theocracy that has to operate on the basis of God’s written law alone. We may think it is “clear” that we must enforce the First Table of the law against the likes of Servetus, but we must also remember that Christendom has been guilty of enforcing the First Table against some of the godliest people in their realms. And on this topic, we should never forget that Christ was convicted on a First Table offense.

A Marriage Question

I didn’t steward the shepherding of my marriage well. There are a thousand reasons; but no excuses. I was a passive husband when I should have been braver and stronger in leading.

She left almost a decade and a half ago now. From an ecclesiastical standpoint, she was the offending and abandoning party. She comes from generational wealth and is still playing the long game litigiously. Death by a thousand cuts. Even after all these years, during the “pandemic,” half a year’s earning was spent just last year in defensive legal fees. Our State and family law is insane. Needless to say the children weary of the sustained attacks and conflict as well, as despite their aging, they somehow become her pawns.

I reside in a very liberal state. I’m here for my children alone. I have an active role in their life and living under that “tyranny” on most days is worth it for that reason alone. I am grateful to be engaged and active in their lives.

In light of my failure to lead in the past, also having two (minor) children and living in a state that I do not have long term goals to remain in (maybe another 4-5 years max) . . . oh, and the litigation lasting for well over a decade . . .

I had pretty much resigned to remaining single. There are some significant theological reasons too (like the arguments made by people like Andrew Cornes and Gordon Wenham). Not being excessively consumed by my sexual “passions,” my desire remained to embrace the singleness post-divorce as something that God had set me to (in part maybe even as a consequence for my prior failure). Either way, I legitimately do (did not?) believe in remarriage.

As it happens though, I am learning afresh that man was not created to be alone. I have a female friend who (despite my many shortcomings and the baggage mentioned above) has expressed a genuine interest in developing things into a more serious relationship with a goal of marriage.

To complicate matters, she is a single mother and has a child with mild-to-moderate special needs.

We have been able to maintain a friendship status well enough.

Is it best to leave it at that? It’s obviously simpler, no?

Can we be active contributors to the body of Christ—legitimately—coming from such a fractured past? Or is it just muddying the gospel waters and polluting the witness of the Bride of Christ?

Would it be betraying our children or prior marriages to pursue a relationship?

What adverse effects do second marriages have on children? In there any wisdom in waiting until they are gone and out of the house?

Most importantly, because of my (past?) theological convictions, is the coming and going of sorrow mean that I am sinning against God, my former spouse, or my friend’s ex, if we were to pursue a relationship that led to marriage?

How does God view messes like this?

Perplexed

Perplexed, I obviously don’t know all the variables or circumstances. On top of that, I don’t hold to the “permanence” view of marriage. But I can say that if you have a friend that has caused you to contemplate marriage, you need to resolve all these issues exegetically in your mind and heart first. And if it goes one way, marry her. If it goes the other, for your sake and hers, you need to back off.

Good Old Technology

First, thank you for being not only a sane but also a wise and stirring voice in insane times, times that encourage folly and cowardice.

I wanted to respond to your recent podcast, “High-Tech Agrarians”, and Malachi’s response to it published March 2nd. It interested me as someone who has been attracted to aspects of such thinking while, as an engineer, am required by my vocation to be proficient in various sorts of advanced technology. I agree with what you say about holding on to things loosely and avoiding a “gut reaction” against technological advance. However, I think there is another angle of this discussion which we must consider in order to “be wise as serpents and innocent as doves.”

Are you familiar with Neil Postman’s work “Amusing Ourselves to Death”? In it, Postman discusses the deleterious effect of television on the thinking and reasoning of the Americans in his day. He argues that television as a visual medium discourages the abstract thinking communicated in writing, and the sequential, disjointed, ad-ridden programming best suited to it damages the ability to reason through a hierarchical argument. It’s a part of the more general area of “media ecology”, which studies the way the communication technology we use affects us.

Postman wrote nearly forty years ago—extrapolating his argument to today’s internet is frightening. While sin is certainly involved, it’s not the only reason we get lost in our cell phones—the glowing screen naturally attracts our eyes, and Big Tech benefits financially by presenting content in such a way as to draw and hold as much of our attention as possible. I don’t think this is a grand conspiracy, but simply the result of generations ignoring the consequences of both their ideas and their pell-mell technological advancement.

Somebody—I think it was Postman—said that in some ways the Amish are the wisest people among us: they’ve thought through the sort of society they want, and they allow only that technology that will further rather than hinder it. While I’m not Amish or a more general luddite (or try not to be anyway), I think that Christians, especially when it comes to raising our children, need to be willing to think along similar lines. Technology shapes us, and if we are to be “transformed by the renewing of our minds”, we must think seriously about how we allow it to affect us.

Sincerely yours,

Matthew

Matthew, thanks. Years ago I taught a class at NSA where I had the students read Postman’s Amusing and Johnson’s Everything Bad Is Good for You side by side. It helped maintain balance, I thought.

Pronouns

From reading your books and blog, I can’t find you interchangeably using “he and she” to reference to the generic “third person singular” individual. Do you think it matters whether we stop saying things like “let each one search his heart” and start saying “let each one search her heart” (or maybe even “let each one(s) search their own heart(s)”)? Is casually swapping “he” and “she” the easy way to the prose of perdition, among other things?

Thanks

Jeremy

Jeremy, yes, I think it matters in these crazy times. I have occasionally done a he or she kind of thing, but that would be for the sake of clarity, not “wokeness.”

Vaccines

I know you’re busy with StickerGate, but in the letters from March 4, someone mentioned that you had helped their friend change their mind on abortion-tainted vaccines. I was wondering if you could clarify your current position on vaccines, both as a whole and regarding the abortion issue. This is what we’ll charitably call a touchy subject among Reformed women, and a fun way to question the salvation of those we disagree with. Without even considering the aborted tissue problem, I’ve seen people argue that vaccinating in and of itself is intrinsically evil, witchcraft, alchemy, as evil as abortion . . . and that not vaccinating is reckless endangerment, manslaughter—but at least both sides agree the other is guilty of child abuse. With evidence supporting each view, and condemnation flying every which way, what do Christians do?

AF

AF, thanks. I am not an anti-vaxxer at all. I think vaccines have been a great blessing and gift. At the same time, the departure of the medical establishment from scriptural norms has been creating some new dilemmas, which I address here. And then the politicization of this last so-called pandemic with its rushed political football vaccine complicated everything further.

Climate Change Loophole

Re: tumultuous mercies. Dear Pastor Wilson:

I liked your analogy on Plodcast #181 where said the church, rather than a raft on the ocean, is like an island that is the tip of a mountain. So the (cultural) storm can come and have its way, but at the end of the day the island is going nowhere. However, I think you missed one thing: global warming. Soon the waters will rise and wash everything on the island away; even the foundations will be destroyed. So perhaps you ought to find a new analogy.

Bill

Bill, yes. But according to the alarmists, I don’t have time to find a new analogy.

Homeschool Materials?

Pastor Doug,

I heard about you on a Caleb Moore’s podcast. I live in a small town in Central Illinois and have started homeschooling our children for a variety of reasons so I was wondering what homeschool material you would recommend.

Aaron

Aaron, check out Logos Online for classes. And Canon Press for homeschooling materials.

Random Question

Dearest Douglas,

I have read your stuff on and off for years but recently have become a bigger fan. I bought a years subscription because I wanted to hear the interview that you recently advertised on either your blog or your podcast. As soon as I got my subscription I started listening to Gary DeMar and then Greg Bahnsen and now I have forgotten the name of that interview and cannot find it. Please, help and old man…

Carlisle

Carlisle, from one old guy to another . . . I forget.

God Was Kind

In a youtube video uploaded by Canon Press titled Sexual by Design Q&A | Doug Wilson I observed in you, Mr. Wilson, an extraordinary performance in self control, and that self control glorifies God. I simply wish to say well done, brother. You’ve encouraged me and given a good example of Christ-like behavior. Thank you, and God bless.

Micah

Micah, thanks. God did bless that evening.

One Last Question

I recently listened to your interview with Dale Partridge. You said quite a few excellent things that I’ve continued to digest. I was really struck by how well you articulated thoughts and Scripture regarding the orientation of men and women. How men are mission-oriented and then relationally. How women are relationship-orientated, then the mission. The use of Louis L’Amour novels, or Homer’s Odyssey written by men for men was right on. “Then along comes some plucky farmer’s daughter who helps him get the cattle back or get the gold.” I chuckled at that, but took it serious at the same time. This was compared to how a woman’s novel written by a woman for women, like Safeway paperback romance novels “that you read and throw away” (That made me laugh again as well). And Pride and Prejudice by Jane Austen, wherein the relationship is the plot. These were both excellent examples that so succinctly summed up the differences in how God created us. Then, how neither are wrong or bad and how we’re not in competition with one another, but compliment one another. Like the hammer and the crescent wrench. So good.

One thing that continues to intrigue me and puzzle me is when you said, “He brings home the bacon and she glorifies it. She puts it in a pan and adds some eggs and serves it back to him. He gives her his seed and she turns it into a child and gives it back to him.” I’d never really thought of it that way and haven’t really thought of the word “glorify” apart from how we are to glorify God. Have you written a book, or a chapter in a book or a paragraph where you unpack this concept? I did a cursory search of the word “glorify” and all I got were references to how we are to glorify God. But the idea that God made Adam and gave him a job in the garden to tend the garden, which included and maybe prioritized providing for and protecting Eve, and how he failed at that, and how God made Eve to be a help meet, or to serve Adam so he could do his mission is so key to the marriage relationship. Our culture has elevated a woman’s role in marriage to not just an egalitarian role, but above that of the husband. Men are now supposed to not only provider for and protect their wives, but they are to make sure they worship her and keep that honey-do list as short as possible so she will always be happy and secure. All the while, men are supposed to be relationship oriented and strive to get in touch with their feminine side and be emotionally connected to her in a way that keeps her in a constant state of marital bliss. On the flip-side, women are not to be accountable for their actions; allowed to misbehave and get angry or throw tantrums; and can use being a woman, having a menstrual cycle or just being hungry or not having had their coffee yet as excuses to treat their husbands like a door mat. In summation, you hit the nail on the head several times and really spoke to key issues that are the cause of so much conflict. But you also encouraged me (and the three other men I’ve shared the interview with). Once last thought. I’ve heard it only twice (I’m 60 and have been a Christian my whole life), where the word for “desire” in Genesis 3:16-17, is the same desire in 4:7 concerning sin’s desire crouching at Cain’s door. That a woman will desire to control her husband and rule over him. Have you also written about this concept and how it impacts the marriage relationship?

Thanks for taking the time to read this letter. I sincerely would like to know your thoughts on a woman glorifying the bacon, so to speak, and how the fall produced a desire in a woman to rule over her husband. This would sure explain a lot in terms of how society has turned the family upside down with its venomous attack on marriage and the orientation or role that God gave men and women in marriage.

Blessings to you and all your family,

In Christ,

Trace

Trace, you are right that this needs to be developed in more detail. The closest I have come is in my book For a Glory and a Covering, published by Canon.

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John
John
4 months ago

Pastor Wilson, thank you for your thoughtful response to my question. I agree with your principle that a theocracy would have to operate differently now that it did in the OT. But I wonder how your principle would not ultimately strike down the state’s ability to do capital punishment. If the abuses of enforcing the first table, which God did not directly guide every case in the OT, nullifies enforcing it now, why wouldn’t abuses in enforcing the second table nullify the death penalty today? I do look forward to you writing more on the subject.

PB
PB
4 months ago

Max, unless there is drastic change I strongly recommend staying away from the military. The reserves are slightly protected from some of what’s being imposed on the AD side but only slightly, and becoming less so. There used to be room for conscience and free expression but I believe those days are now gone. Mandatory training will directly target your foundational beliefs as a Christian. You may be able to sneak through unnoticed for a 6 year enlistment but I see it as a gamble.

Gray
Gray
4 months ago
Reply to  PB

And the Commander in Chief: ““And I want to thank the sec — the, the, ah former general,…I keep calling him general, but my, my — the guy who runs that outfit over there.”

How can anyone conscientiously serve under a charade?

https://twitter.com/roger_smith_911/status/1368358430344441856?s=10

Gray
Gray
4 months ago
Reply to  Gray

You shall be required to salute this:

“Some of it’s relatively, uh, straightforward work,” Biden said. “We’re making good progress designing body armor that fits women properly, tailoring combat uniforms for women, creating maternity flight suits, updating their hairstyle requirements, and some of it is going to take an, uh, you know, an-an-an an intensity of purpose and mission to really change the culture and habits that cause to leave the military.”

JP Stewart
JP Stewart
4 months ago
Reply to  Gray

Not to mention the Navy recommending Ibram X. Kendi’s book “How to be a Racist” (or is it the more Orwellian “How to be Antiracist”?) on their recommended reading list. And of course they’re trying to purge Christian conservatives under the guise of “getting red of white supremacists.” Note they have no agenda to get rid of Antifa or BLM radicals (which are a growing problem from what I hear).

JohnM
JohnM
4 months ago
Reply to  PB

Could be like you and Doug Wilson say . I wonder:

1. How many other Christians, or anyone else, are giving similar advice
2. How many young men are listening
3. What Christians, or even just ordinary people, currently on active duty are thinking
4. If there is widespread concurrence, what this is going to end up meaning for the military, in a year, or five, or ten

JohnM
JohnM
4 months ago

Perplexed,

If you did something that would justify the abandoning then she was not the offending party. However, if it really is the case that “…she was the offending and abandoning party” then she was. Stop beating yourself up as if you were at fault because you “…didn’t steward the shepherding of my marriage well”. Were those your words, or did someone teach them to you? Frankly, they’re kind of gibberish outside of whatever bubble uses that kind of language.

Gray
Gray
4 months ago
Reply to  JohnM

Without commenting upon the OP’s issues, there seems to be an overabundance of “bubbles” that use that and similar kinds of language that hearken to the felt Noah’s Ark of “Children’ Church”.

David J.
David J.
4 months ago
Reply to  JohnM

Perplexed: Been where you are, when my youngest was 14. Previously aware of advice to divorced parents not to complicate kids’ lives with prospective new partners, I vowed not to date until after he was out of high school. I’m glad I waited; no regrets, and I truly believe it would have made his teen years more difficult than they already were. Met a wonderful, godly, wrongly divorced woman (with a special needs child) when my son was 19 and married her 2 1/2 years later. Also, if you’ve not participated in a DivorceCare program, I’d recommend it.

Teresa
Teresa
4 months ago

“Seriously, with the confusion of the world and the discovery of where some life-long friends really stand on things, which is naively centrist or flat out left, we have found we were more alone among them than we could have imagined.”

This perfectly describes the past year for my husband and I as well! I loved reading your comment Shelli and I too am thankful for the Wilson family’s ministry and their courage and joy in the midst of it all.

Mark
Mark
4 months ago

I admit I didn’t read all the comments above, but hasn’t your Grandson become a personification of much of the travails of your lead character in Ride Sally Ride? After all, this is about as ludicrous.

Kedge
Kedge
4 months ago
Reply to  Mark

Agreed Mark. It’s all about juvenile delinquency and desperation tactics, and the brazen cheek to ask others to help foot the family’s legal costs. I can think of better things to spend $45,000 on for the kingdom–beginning with the poor and starving.

Kathleen Zielinski
Kathleen Zielinski
4 months ago
Reply to  Douglas Wilson

Doug, it sounds to me like your grandson was indeed singled out for selective prosecution. Does it occur to you to ask why? The authorities are trying to contain a deadly disease that so far has killed a half million Americans. You and your family are getting in the way. So of course they’re going to prosecute you if they can find a reason to do so. They’re more concerned about limiting Covid deaths than they are about your free speech rights. And while it’s nice that Moscow is a low risk area, they’d like to keep it that way,… Read more »

J.F. Martin
J.F. Martin
4 months ago

Hi Kathleen, Hope you are well! if the current result is predictable…from a legal sense isn’t the final result also fairly predictable (First Amendment rights and all)? If so, why didn’t playing the tape all the way through prevent the charges? If not, why not? You’re comment…”They’re more concerned about limiting Covid deaths than they are about your free speech rights.” seems to be at the crux of the issue. I think Pastor Wilson’s blog today applies. I’m truly trying to work out what I would do if I were a school principle, a town mayor, or a state Governor.… Read more »

Kathleen Zielinski
Kathleen Zielinski
4 months ago
Reply to  J.F. Martin

Hi JF, thank you for your kind words and I hope you and your family are well too. Refusing to mask and social distance always struck me as a rather peculiar hill to decide to die on. Even if masking and social distancing accomplished absolutely nothing, as with chicken soup, I don’t see that they hurt anything either. The science of it is not my area of expertise so I’m happy to trust those who know far more about it than I do that masking and social distancing do help stop the spread. And finally, people in authority make mistakes… Read more »

JP Stewart
JP Stewart
4 months ago

“Even if masking and distancing accomplished absolutely nothing, as with chicken soup, I don’t see that they hurt anything either.” There’s a huge cost to the dehumanization of masking and social distancing. https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2021/01/masks_can_be_murder.html Suicide, drug-related deaths and other mental health issues are on the rise. Couple that with the way formerly friendly people treat you like a pariah in stores and on streets, and we have a huge problem. This is all for something that was no worse than a moderate cold for myself and hundreds of others I know who had COVID. The “half million deaths” is a very… Read more »

Kathleen Zielinski
Kathleen Zielinski
4 months ago
Reply to  JP Stewart

But that’s because you choose to view masks as dehumanizing, rather than life saving. There are certain professions in which people have worn masks for a very long time — surgeons, surgical nurses, people doing decontamination work, biologists who study dangerous organisms — and I doubt that any of them considers a mask dehumanizing or degrading. The fact that you do says far more about you than it does about masks. I’m happy your case of Covid was mild. Tens of thousands of others weren’t so lucky. And we get Covid behind us a lot quicker if people help rather… Read more »

JP Stewart
JP Stewart
4 months ago

“But that’s because you choose to view masks as dehumanizing, rather than life saving. There are certain professions in which people have worn masks for a very long time — surgeons, surgical nurses, people doing decontamination work, biologists who study dangerous organisms — and I doubt that any of them considers a mask dehumanizing or degrading. The fact that you do says far more about you than it does about masks.” What a combination of arrogance and ignorance. Some people (including myself in a past life) wore chem warfare gear or hazmat suits…that doesn’t mean it would be healthy for… Read more »

Kathleen Zielinski
Kathleen Zielinski
4 months ago
Reply to  JP Stewart

If I set my mind to it, I could probably come up with some bizarre circumstance under which wearing chem warfare or hazmat suits would be necessary — if, perhaps, we were under attack by an enemy using chemical or biological warfare. The fact that such circumstances rarely happen does not mean they could never happen. As with masks, which are a temporary measure until Covid is behind us. The arrogance and ignorance is you making yourself the supreme law. You know better than everybody else. Well, not me; I defer to people who actually do pathology for a living.… Read more »

Kathleen Zielinski
Kathleen Zielinski
4 months ago

Sorry, I typed too quickly; I meant epidemiology rather than pathology. Underlying point still stands.

JP Stewart
JP Stewart
4 months ago

I already told you the evidence. The CDC began allowing “probable deaths” to count last March. Couple this with financial and political incentives, and there are myriad reasons to believe the numbers are inflated. I say this as someone who has done my share of quantitative work.

The fact you have to double down on “moon landing deniers” shows your desperation and lack of argument. Here’s a very mainstream scientist with serious doubts about some of the government-approved theories you hold dear:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XIXKJXsiBFc

JP Stewart
JP Stewart
4 months ago

“The arrogance and ignorance is you making yourself the supreme law. You know better than everybody else. Well, not me; I defer to people who actually do pathology for a living.”

I’m sure you’d go right along with whatever CCP or Soviet “scientific experts” told you as well. As a matter of fact, the CCP and WHO sound eerily similar when it comes to COVID. But no, I don’t make myself the supreme law. That’s another claim you just made up.
https://www.aier.org/article/covid-19-lockdowns-violate-the-us-constitution/

JP Stewart
JP Stewart
4 months ago
Reply to  JP Stewart

Also, as for listening to experts, I gave a link earlier to an article by Lt Col Grossman, who wrote a very good book called “On Killing.” He was aware of the problem long before COVID. And it’s hardly a coincidence that Antifa has always worn masks and so did many violent BLM “protesters.”
https://www.thelibertybeacon.com/masks-can-be-murder/

ron
ron
4 months ago

So, informed consent isn’t a thing, anymore? I don’t get to choose my doctor, treatment, facility, etc, cuz I iz two dawg gonnnne ignernt? https://twitter.com/OhioSense/status/1369450334444269569 “Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.” ― C. S.… Read more »

Jane
Jane
4 months ago

Removing human beings’ ability to interact with human faces isn’t dehumanizing as a matter of perspective, it’s objectively dehumanizing. A really significant part of what outwardly separates us from the animals is the ability to communicate through facial expression.

Doctors and hazmat workers do not go 24/7 without revealing their faces to anyone outside their immediate family, nor does the existence of doctors and hazmat workers mean that an entire society is deprived of the sight of human faces other than their immediate family for months or years on end. It’s apples and oranges.

Kathleen Zielinski
Kathleen Zielinski
4 months ago
Reply to  Jane

Jane, this is a temporary measure. Once Covid goes away, so will masks. When there’s an urgent situation, sometimes temporary measures need to be taken.

And I see this as much like a war, only against a virus rather than against another nation. So long as there’s a war in progress, you put up with ration books, blackouts, and the other things that come with war.

Jane
Jane
4 months ago

I understand that masks are temporary (though the definition of temporary seems in question, with some suggesting the absurdity of another 18 months of this nonsense), but the point of discussion was whether they’re completely costless, which was your assertion. They’re not. Stripping people of normal human society for an entire year is not a small thing. Ask any college student, especially a freshman, if there’s no cost at all to never being able to see the faces of the people they are surrounded with for an extended period of time, thereby not able to truly form new relationships in… Read more »

JohnM
JohnM
4 months ago
Reply to  Jane

Jane, I’m jumping into this because I don’t know any better than to jump into these things… but what else is new? Anyway, plenty of animals communicate through facial expressions, and some of them can read ours, though both we and the animals may be prone to misread one another. I think the necessity of wearing a mask at all the times and in all the places we are told we have to do it is exaggerated, however I also think “..an entire society is deprived of the sight of human faces other than their immediate family for months or… Read more »

Jane
Jane
4 months ago
Reply to  JohnM

JohnM, honestly, how is that that an exaggeration? We’re not allowed to go into any public place without a mask. We’re discouraged from seeing anyone other than our immediate families in our homes. Many people, especially those deemed most vulnerable, adhere to this. How does this not add up to not seeing any faces other than our immediate families? Okay, there may be an exception here and there when we see someone on the way in or out of a store who doesn’t have their mask pulled up, but the general state is “no faces once you step outside your… Read more »

JP Stewart
JP Stewart
4 months ago
Reply to  Jane

Not to mention young children who are around masked people most of the day in pre-school, kindergarten, etc. Do people really think that’s not a big deal?

JohnM
JohnM
4 months ago
Reply to  Jane

Jane, “We’re not allowed to go into any public place without a mask.” ? I am. And my city has a mask mandate. I’m not allowed to go into stores without a mask. I can and do stroll around my neighborhood without a mask, and so do my neighbors. Entering the fitness center I’m supposed to wear a mask, but don’t have to while I’m exercising – some people do, some people don’t. Outside my car, pumping gas, I don’t wear a mask, and hardly anyone else does, or is expected to. No one wears a mask (well, almost no… Read more »

Dave
Dave
4 months ago

Kathleen, the masks worn by Joe Public and by health officials do nothing to significantly reduce the spread of SARS CoV-2, known as Covid-19. This knowlege does not require a virology degree, but only the basics of virology. To stop a virus, a well fitted filter mask with sealed eye protection is needed. Virus particles are so small that they go right through N95 masks and they party while enjoying the wide open spaces offered in surgical masks, bandanas and such. The virus will infect through the exposed areas around our eyes just as easily as through our mouths and… Read more »

J.F. Martin
J.F. Martin
4 months ago

Curious comparison…as Joyce was hanged for treason. Maybe foreshadowing as the authorities are at war with…Covid? Oddly, the ‘hill to die on’ idiom seems to be getting a lot of play lately. No one is being martyred over masks (pro or con), but I think the willingness to engage with the science and statistics, the implications of government overreach and the dismissal of contrary views are all attitudes at work. I may not like chicken soup…but I could be convinced to eat it…I will not be forced. I agree with your point on authority. My caveat is whether it exists… Read more »

Kathleen Zielinski
Kathleen Zielinski
4 months ago
Reply to  J.F. Martin

Under normal circumstances, you absolutely, positively should not be forced to eat chicken soup. These are not normal circumstances. And here’s what the debate is really over: Suppose there were some situation in which the entire human population would die unless you ate chicken soup, and you stubbornly refuse to do so. At that point the stakes are high enough that I would probably prop your mouth open and pour it down. Maybe you disagree; maybe you think that even in that extreme situation, your freedom takes priority over saving humanity. But the real question is this: Is there a… Read more »

The Commenter Formerly Known As fp
The Commenter Formerly Known As fp
4 months ago

Kathleen, why don’t you come up with some actual evidence to back up your BlueAnon conspiracy theories? They’re on par with the Russian collusion hoax.

I especially love the part where you admit you’re all about forcing people to do what you want. And to think, it was your ilk who screamed their fool heads off about Trump being a dictator. I guess self-awareness isn’t your strong suit.

By the way, Fauci isn’t an epidemiologist, so why do you defer to him?

J.F. Martin
J.F. Martin
4 months ago

Kathleen, the supposition is the key. IF I could knowingly infect even one person, I would grant that my family, my community, even society as a whole could force me to do many things. Biblically I think of lepers. However, treating everyone (to a lesser extent, granted) like lepers for an entire year because of an unknown supposition, that we’ve learned more about over time yet remained fairly unchanged in our response, still seems heavy handed. When the stakes are high enough, everyone mitigates. Where the actual stakes are right now…and have been over this past year…have not been debated… Read more »

ron
ron
4 months ago

” But the real question is this: Is there a point at which the stakes are high enough that people just have to be brought along whether they want to or not? And if so, how do we know when we are at that point?” No, there’s no point at which people should be forced onto train cars whether they want to or not? How do we know when we are at that point? — When we’re being coerced to accept medical treatments against our will. When we quarantine the healthy, by force. Consent is the mark of a free… Read more »

The Commenter Formerly Known As fp
The Commenter Formerly Known As fp
4 months ago

Kathleen: The authorities are trying to contain a deadly disease that so far has killed a half million Americans. A disease so deadly, 99.9% of those under 65 who’ve had it survive. A disease so deadly, you have to be tested to even know you had it. A disease so deadly, it had to be helped along by financial incentives to code deaths with the Doom, such as those who’ve been in motorcycle crashes, as deaths from the Doom. A disease so deadly, those same authorities routinely flout their own rules which supposedly contain this deadly disease. A disease so… Read more »

JP Stewart
JP Stewart
4 months ago

COVID is so woke that not only does it refuse to spread in shoulder-to-shoulder BLM rallies, but it can be safely ignored when “undocumented” types infected with it cross our border. But woe to those who want to open churches and small businesses back up!

Dave
Dave
4 months ago

Kathleen, the current Wilson difficulties are directed and are illegal. They are not associated with SARS CoV-2 other than to use the Kung Flu as an excuse. Prior to the September 23rd Psalm Sing, the Mayor received one e-mail directed at Christ Church, the Psalm Sing which made unsubstantiated health and safety claims. That e-mail caused a meeting with the City Attorney, the City Supervisor, the Chief of Police and two police captains. During that meeting, a plan was devised to use the existing health order to make a point. That meeting ordered social distance circles to be painted on… Read more »

Kedge
Kedge
4 months ago
Reply to  Douglas Wilson

Doug, Do you know you’re absolutely right… Mark’s comments didn’t trigger my remarks, but some other comment I saw–perhaps it was up in the Letters section… In any case, I stand by what I say. There is obviously some legal issue at stake else the police wouldn’t have taken action against your son/grandchildren. We shall see. This issue is whether blitzing the town with stickers containing a totally distorted and completely untrue statement is in keeping with the spirit of the Lord Jesus Christ, and what he expects of his followers, not least pastors and leaders. Political stickers are usually… Read more »

Mark
Mark
4 months ago
Reply to  Kedge

It’s funny my comment led to this long discussion, which of course had nothing to do with my comment at all. That aside, prosecuting a young adult with a threat of jail time for putting political stickers on a utility pole is just as luny as prosecuting a young adult for murder for shredding a sex robot. The fact that people want to argue over the current situation shows how far people’s personal biases get in the way of their common sense. I hope that it all blows up in the city’s face for the sheer stupidity of it. But… Read more »

JP Stewart
JP Stewart
4 months ago
Reply to  Kedge

Kedge,
1) Paragraphs are your friend
2) Ugh, not the half million “probable deaths” thing again

Steven Opp
Steven Opp
4 months ago

Carlisle, if you see this, I think you are probably thinking of the two interviews Pastor Wilson linked to on the most recent Content Cluster Muster from Thursday.

Elisabeth
Elisabeth
4 months ago
Reply to  Steven Opp

Hey Steven….its me Elizabeth! I often think about you. Lord bless you.

Robert Wood
4 months ago

Brother Wilson,

thank you for your thoughtful, good-natured response to my question/concern/observation about post-mills sometimes coming off as arrogant smart-aleks. You asked me to pray for you… which I have and will.

But also, they say it takes one to know one, and I know my own conceit and spirit of arrogant, smart-alekness is certainly much more than I think I observe in others (e.g. post-mills).

Best regards, and thanks for your Biblical insights and especially with the current, current events, etc.

Robert