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Responses to That Really Long Post

Kind of a brutal talent show, if you ask me.

Sir, can you please unpack the 1992 costume party blackface reference? Thank you.

Trey A

Trey, sure. The point was that the left is not just imperious in their demands, but inconsistent with them. And the glaring and obvious inconsistencies are part of the point. They are flexing. They can make you do this and then make you do that. They can ruin your career today for having gone to a costume party in blackface (which is different, mind you, than drag queens going in girlface), but they reserve the right to be completely arbitrary and ruin your career for having not gone in blackface.

“The gods of civil unrest and Jesus mob”

I just read what might be your greatest blog post (in my opinion) aloud for my wife in our living room. Thank you for your continued encouragement Doug! We are praying the Lord continues to bless you and your ministry. God bless.

Wes

Wes, thanks for the kind words. But it could be that the picture is just enhanced by the frame—that frame being our tumultuous times.

You conclude “The Gods of Civil Unrest and the Jesus Mobs” with an exhortation to engage, inter alia, in sabbath dinners. I’m a Baptist with strongly sabbatarian inclinations—an unusual thing in my tribe. What books might you suggest (written by you or others) that would nourish this inclination?

CS

CS, I would start with Stuart Bryan’s book, A Taste of Sabbath.

Amen! Jesus is LORD! The word of the LORD is fire and those that are tinder will be consumed. Praying in a new way. I appreciate your long view. We are so prone to underestimate the time required for great revelations of truth to take place, and the cost of those revelations, and how our very lives are a part of how that cost is measured. God bless and keep you.

Michelle

Michelle, thanks.

So here we come to it. The left wants a mob riot and they got what they wanted. I like how you compare the factions of today to the factions of 1st century Judea. My question is, without being too conspiratorial, do you believe that we have modern day Romans here? “The Cabal, the Rothschilds, the CCP” or all of the above pulling the strings? It looks to me that the Romans wanted to divide and conquer so they could justify coming in and razing Jerusalem to the ground. I agree that in some ways, America represents Jerusalem, but I am tending to think that we are, as many pre-millenialists point out, very representative of mystery Babylon, and maybe our fall has bee prophesied and the true saints will rejoice when it has fallen. Our evil secular baby-killing, anti-Jehovah state must be destroyed to make way for the Jerusalem that will come down from heaven. It may be that Satan in his angels are doing God’s work unintentionally.

Actually, isn’t that what they always do?

Sam

Sam, it is what they always try to do. In my thinking, we don’t need a cabal behind Rome. Rome is just Rome. And our establishment is just our establishment, and they know how to fight dirty.

The gods of civil unrest:

O, the thousands of things I want to say. The gamut of emotions swirling through my soul—many joyous, but not all, and some that I haven’t experienced before. It’s all good though. I am stirred, and I pray that when the blender stops, the smoothie is not just edible but delicious. Also, I think you used top-shelf rum . . .

Malachi

Malachi, thanks. Make sure to savor it.

PLEASE Mr Wilson believe me. I don’t write very well but can I just try and tell you what saw with my own eyes? My three daughters and two sons were there in DC with a church group Wednesday morning and into the afternoon. I’m just an old grandma that loves the Lord Jesus, her family and church, and country. I know what I saw and experienced. There are MANY false reports going out! MUCH hype and exaggeration! WHY would anyone believe main stream media now?! Or even some of our compromised Christian leaders who weren’t even there?! Please, I submit this for your consideration.

In Him,

Maria

Maria, God bless you.

To your last point, check this out:

Interesting topic you have spoken to:

Chris

Chris, thanks.

I hope that you’re doing well despite the the tumult of these whirlwind days. When considering the recent happenings with the MAGA crowd at the capitol, it’s clear that there was definitely sin involved. Vandalism and violence against capitol police come to mind. However, if you were a person who simply walked onto the capitol as protest, but didn’t damage anything or attack anyone, would that be legitimate protest?

The reason I ask is because generally I lack knowledge as to how to conduct a godly protest, and I was wondering if trespassing on public property could be part of such a protest.

I wasn’t involved in any of the stuff in DC, by the way. But I feel constrained to try and learn something from all of this.

Thank you!

Luke

Luke, no, I don’t believe that it is necessarily a sin to disregard trespassing laws in a legitimate protest. But if it is to kept its legitimacy, there needs to be strong hand leadership to keep it veering off into counterproductive ways.

In a fraternal and collegiate spirit, and with the presumption that you understand the dynamic, I will mildly differ in you choice of using the term double standards. I do not think that the charge can be sustained due to one fundamental reason: they are really not violating their standard. Their standard was concisely expressed by L. Beria: “Show me the man and I’ll show you the crime.” Their standard is pragmatism, and I saw it in living color, being well illustrated on tee shirts with an arm holding an upraised rifle with the slogan “By Any Means Necessary.” And that was before there was small talk at 125th and Lenox.

I think that they are imposing their standard of total and absolute control. (They are not Arminians; they will allow nothing to resist their sovereign authority.) That is not a double standard, it is the yardstick of Kafka: “Your guilt is always beyond doubt.”

Nonetheless, well done sir!

Gray

Gray, you are correct. In their system, this is not a double standard because their system is the standard. But as they interact with Normal World, what they are doing is a double standard (according to us), and they know that, and they are using that.

The Gods of Civil Unrest. . . . Yes and Amen!

This is particularly helpful as I continue to disciple my sons 18 and 21.

I want them grounded in the gospel and fighting the good fight in the culture.

So many pastors of churches are giving them the, “that’s too political” speech. Accusing them of idolatry if they talk about cultural issues.

This snuffs our a young man’s instinct to fight and points them to a Mr. Rogers red sweater vest, effeminate Christianity that is nauseating and powerless.

I really believe the hideousness of two kingdom theology (Horton, Dever, etc.) is being exposed.

PJ

PJ, I would certainly agree that the impotence of that theology is being revealed.

I half expected you to disappear, leaving nothing behind but a sour smell after that tirade. I know that you know your Bible, but I’m glad to be out of your pharisaical influence. You might label my pastor a Rev. Rabbitheart (he’s PCA), but I’m blessed to sit under him because he does not (as far as I can tell with my human limits) need to proclaim his superiority over other Christians in order to feel justified. If I’m right, you’re too blinded to see that’s how you are, but I pray you see it some day.

Rob

Rob, thanks for the prayers. But you should at least budget for the possibility that you are not right, and have not been for a long time. And if you are not right, then did you not write this letter in order to proclaim your superiority over other Christians? But I thought that was bad.

Tu quoque is a logical fallacy for a reason. Even if someone is a hypocrite it doesn’t mean they’re wrong on the point that they’re making. And the fact that your first instinct was to use the events at the Capitol to bash the left rather than condemn the riot at the Capitol is, well, troubling.

You’re a parent. How persuasive did you find the argument “but he started it” when one of your kids made it?

Kathleen

Kathleen, ah, but you missed something. Bashing the left was the second thing I did. The first thing I did was condemn the lawlessness of the protest itself. And as a parent, if a kid uses “he started it” as a reason for why he should not be punished at all, then that doesn’t fly at all. But if everyone in the brawl gets disciplined, then the fallacy of tu quoque has not been surrendered to. But I would make sure that the kid who really did start it gets something extra.

I’ll have to hand it to you Doug; your boy DID have some aces up his sleeve . . .

BA

BA, but not sure yet if it was six aces or three.

Big fan of the blog. Earlier in Trump’s presidency you shared the comparison with Trump to Samson. Not really knowing how to handle him, I really benefited from that analogy and this past week made me rethink of it. How it appears to have come full circle nearly completing the analogy by almost pushing down the Capitol on his way out. Maybe some repentance will come without having his eyes gouged out. Thought you might like to revisit that analogy and expand on it. Thanks for all you stand for and keep writing.

Brett

Brett, thanks. I may revisit that. Let’s see what happens.

A comment in response to “Coming This Summer.” Now that the “red necks” are demonstrating aggression, suddenly violence is wrong and does not work. That’s nonsense. The actions of BLM and Antifa prove that violence does work. Many, including members of the police force across the nation were literally on their knees submitting to the mob. Moreover, this country would not exist had many of the founders had not backed their words with action. It seems when action is required to preserve morality, suddenly violence is wrong and must be condemned by everyone. Some have seen the recent political events as they truly are. Further, every peaceful avenue has been exhausted attempting to stop the decadence. The radical perverted progressives did not follow the rules of engagement which they insist the moral majority follow. Now they have gained control of the entire political system. However, even before doing so they warned everyone what was coming. Trump should not bear sole responsibility for the actions of those desperate to preserve morality.

Joel

Joel, I think you are correct. But I don’t think they have gained as much control as they believe they have.

I have appreciated your thoughts throughout the entire Trumpercoaster these past four years, and I continue to appreciate them now. I share your content very often with my family members and they often tell me how helpful it is. I believe it was on your Plodcast that you said something about Trump’s pride, the need for him to repent of it, and warning that God might see fit to humble him if he continued in his pride. Do you think that may be what is happening in light of the events at the Capitol, and now the whole party turning against Trump, and even his ardent supporters turning on him after he denounced them?

Nick

Nick, we may be at that moment, but for some reason, I don’t believe it is here yet.

Just finished listening through your sermon “The State of the Church 2021” and found it tremendously helpful. This past week, I dialogued with a fellow Christian over Twitter who supported the idea that President Trump fit the Biblical definition of “an anti-Christ”. I am not oriented as well as I should be on how the Bible defines “an” anti-Christ (as opposed to “the” anti-Christ). Could you comment on whether or not President Trump fulfills the Biblical definition of an anti-Christ? What would your recommendation be for a Christian attending a church where the preaching started to include descriptions of Trump as an anti-Christ? And how do the Christians who supported President Trump meaningfully engage with and love their Christian brothers and sister who hold to the view that Trump’s supporters are enabling an anti-Christ? Thanks for your ministry and God bless!

Nick

Nick, in Scripture, a “beast” and an “antichrist” are very different. A beast is a civil ruler who persecutes the church. An antichrist is a false teacher within the church, one who denies the incarnation. So in illustrative terms, a beast would be someone like Stalin, while an antichrist would be like a liberal Methodist bishop. Trump has his problems, but fitting with either one of those patterns is not one of them.

I have greatly enjoyed many of the resources you share online— Grace Agenda talks, Blog and Mablog, Ask Pastor Doug, as well as having watched Collision. I was especially impressed with the grace of God given to you and put on full display in the sex and sexuality Q&A—after watching Free Speech Apocalypse, I watched the full Q&A.

More recently I watched ‘winsome tartness’ and it has really given me food for thought. On that note, when I saw the article linked here, I almost immediately imagined a post in reply titled ‘how feminism shot itself in the bare foot in the kitchen’

Enjoy—depending on your mood it could be good for a laugh or a cry.

Steve

Steve, thanks much.

My main question for you is related to the theme of living in “Illegitimate Times.” As a future member of a profession dominated by secular leftism and leftist thought, what should the Christian’s main considerations be when choosing a place of work? Should Christians avoid firms or companies who seem to hold mainly leftist ideals (or are made up primarily of secular leftists)? Is there a Christian responsibility of some sort to fight the rising forces of secularism directly, as through some sort of explicitly Christian or conservative group?

I’m currently a second-year law student who is trying to decide where I should start my career. While the traditional wisdom would dictate that I try to get a job at a prestigious large firm, I am more and more skeptical as to whether it’s worth applying for a job working among the leftist elite who staff such enterprises. The other main alternatives I have thought of are either a) working for an explicitly conservative/Christian organization as a sort of legal activist or b) working in a small firm doing generally non-political standard fare legal work.

I have also thought about whether living a more quiet (or less blatantly political) life in a small town would be best, as I plan to raise a family someday. However, I worry that there may be a need for more direct political confrontation with the corrupt turn our government has taken. If that is the case, is there a moral obligation to “do something” about it in a more direct way than simply being a faithful small-town lawyer? Perhaps the answer to these questions would be very fact specific (salary/pay is obviously a big factor in these decisions for example), but I would love to hear your general thoughts on these issue.

Thank you!

P.S. I only recently found your blog and have really enjoyed your writings! NQN provoked a lot of thought among my family and friends, as have many of your books which I (and many friends) have since read, so thank you for the enlightenment (and entertainment) the past few months! One last thought—as a young man in my 20s, I was very grateful for your work on “Singleness as Affliction.” I’m glad that someone is telling the truth about celibacy and marriage (also loving Man Rampant), so thank you again!

John

John, it is obviously not possible to determine the right path for somebody else at this distance, but for my money, I would knock on all three of those doors, but would prioritize them as 1. Christian activism, 2. small town lawyer, and 3. big firm.

I agree that this was probably not the right move, but I have to know when does it become the right move? What I am asking is when does it become our duty as citizens to stand up to serious government tyranny? I think we can all agree if this election was stolen, which I think it was and so do you, then what should we be doing to stop this? Should we be protesting? Where exactly is the line where the government becomes so egregious that we have no other choice but to do what our ancestors did in the revolution? If the election was stolen, then we no longer as citizens are represented by a government that makes laws and enforces them against us. How is this not getting closer to the context of the American Revolution and when does it get to that level?

In Christ,

Grant

Grant, I believe we are already at the point where resistance is lawful, but I would hasten to add that it needs to be effective resistance. It has to be the kind of resistance for which they have no countermeasures. And the first step in that resistance needs to be churches full and overflowing.

Re: Illegitimate Times.

You say that many Christians consider a Biden presidency fraudulent, and many other Christians consider that a second Trump term would also be fraudulent. You would be closer to the truth if you simply said that many Christians “feel” the one or the other. Of course, it doesn’t matter what we privately “consider.” In all cases of dispute, Christians begin with the teaching of Scripture that (a) cases are decided based on evidence and (b) the lawful authorities (in this case, federal judges, many of whom were appointed by President Trump) are the ones to decide the cases based on the evidence. Woe to the man who disregards that judgment (Deut. 17:8-13). That and, “Don’t shout ‘Conspiracy!’ every time this people shouts ‘Conspiracy!’ Don’t fear what they fear. Don’t be afraid. Sanctify the Lord of Hosts, and let him be your fear and your dread” (Is. 8:12-13).

Gabriel

Gabriel, what you say is very true as far as it goes.

When other commenters point out to you the fact that Trump’s fraud claims have melted before State and Federal judges across the country (yes, on the merits), that Wood & Powell are demonstrable liars, and that everything from hand recounts in Georgia to ballot audits in Arizona have found no evidence of substantial fraud in any state, much less many states, your responses have been frustrating to me as someone who has greatly benefited from your blog, bought your books, and so on.

Two months or so ago, you accused fraud skeptics of equivocation on “evidence,” since what we were asking for is admissible evidence in a court of law that made fraud more likely than not. That’s a really bad claim, since we were being assured by Trump’s lawyers that there *was* such evidence.

Then you say, /of course there is evidence. Just look at how many votes Biden got with such small rallies!/ With due respect, your incredulity is not well founded.

1. The voting population is bigger now than in 2016.

2. There were record voter registration campaigns for this election.

3. Because states (including red states like Texas) increased opportunities for absentee voting, turnout was always going to be high this year.

4. High voter turnout historically assists Democrats in national elections.

5. Judging voter turnout or enthusiasm based on rally size is a terrible metric, given that Biden’s “soirees” were intentionally limited in attendance and many Democrats were convinced that any large gathering other than a BLM protest is a great way to get the coronavirus. Remember how pathetic turnout was at Hilary’s rallies—and she still won the popular vote.

By the way, it is not true that those storming the Capitol were just antifa people.

You have frequently “floated” claims like this since the election, and then not done any public fact-checking yourself. This is sad, because after a while you have a tendency just to assume that you were right about what you initially floated as “someone should look into this.” Please stop.

James

James, there have been a few places where something I passed on turned out to be bum dope, and I have happy to correct the record at those places. But on things like my turnout argument, I am afraid you have not understood what I am arguing—for example, I know the population has grown. That issue is the very irregular nature of the growth. But right now the pressing issue is this one: if the election was on the up and up, then why the fierce levels of censorship in every direction? That entire world is certainly acting as though they have a naked adulterer in the bedroom closet.

Woke Military

“The military, given its nature, has a greater capacity for mandatory social engineering, and I am afraid that a lot of the brass is woke.” Can confirm. I was part of “the brass” (well, middle management anyway); I got out; this is one of the reasons why. The military is increasingly more concerned with “diversity and inclusion” (and promoting those who march in lockstep) instead of being good at killing people who need killing (and promoting those who demonstrate proficiency and leadership acumen.)

GRH

GRH, thanks.

Tithing During Lock Down

I am going through your Lewis Lectures on the Canon App – they are truly amazing! I am finding the lecture on “That Hideous Strength” to be especially helpful during these times. Thank you for your good work on them.

I have a question regarding tithing. I have recently left a church that ordained a woman pastor right before COVID and then went to hard lockdown after COVID. I am now (nominally) attending a PCA church that limits attendance to 60, requires masks, pre-registration for contact tracing, and social distancing. The liturgy is pretty tepid, but the preaching is sound. Because of attendance limitations, I am worshiping at home again.

This church is the most faithful church in my area and I definitely want to financially support the church. Since the church I am attending is almost non-existent, what tithe should I be giving? If I faithfully want to tithe, where should my money go?

Thanks,

Worshiping at Home

WaH, while you are worshiping at home, I would continue to send money to the church (if you are not planning on leaving it), but send just a portion, say half. The other half I would send to missionaries, or to Christian organizations that could use the support. I would pro-rate your tithe in other words, which I believe that the tither has the authority to do.

A Question on Lewis

It has been a blessing to hear your many lectures and thoughts on Lewis’ books, however I do not think I have heard much from you on Till We Have Faces. Is there a reason for this?

I’m sure there are many of us who would love to hear what you think of that book, or perhaps you have a lecture somewhere.

Thank you for your continuing commitment to preaching the Word! (2 Tim 4:2).

Ian

Ian, I have lectured on it, and believe it will be available at some point on the Canon App. But it has not been an emphasis. Great book though.

A Pre-Mill Question

I write today as a Pre-Millennialist in tradition only. Growing up in an Independent Baptist Church, educated in a Baptist College and aside from a brief stint in a non-denominational church (which probably believes an eschaton is something you put on a coffee), I have only been a part of a Baptistic fellowship. Pre-Millennial, Pre-Trib rapture has been engrained in my head for almost 30 years. Only recently have I even been made aware that there are any other views in the eschatological realm and have since started to question my tradition.

My first issue has been that I have never placed much priority in eschatological beliefs. From my completely uninterested perspective, each believe that Christ is coming for his bride to rule and reign in the greatest “happily ever after” eternity—Christ is exalted, God is glorified. The disagreements seemingly along the lines of the “when” and “by what method” variety. Not exactly Augustine and Pelagius differences that affect salvation. My second issue: being converted later in life, my priorities shifted for finding a wife. 10 years post-college, I do feel ready to lead a family; only the dating pool for a Baptist holding to Calvinistic beliefs is remarkably dry at 30 (especially when the world is trying to mandate people stay away from each other). While I am praying and hopeful God will bring a godly helpmeet one day, eschatology just does not seem like a priority to devote much time to study.

Since my conversion at 22 years old (even if I did not realize it), I have striven to live by semper reformanda. I knew that growing up in the Independent Baptist Church I would have traditions coming out of my ears. Whenever I am faced with a particular belief, I strive to look at it in light of what Scripture says rather than what I have been taught. However, eschatological issues have been different from other traditions I have been lead to tackle. I hear the same passages of Scripture used in defense of both positions and I cannot help but read those passages without my Pre-Mil brain interpreting them for me. It makes it difficult to grasp what is being said from another perspective.

From passing comments made by yourself and the gents over at Crosspolitic, AOMin and Apologia, I have yet to fully grasp the Post-Mil view. My question is simple: What would be a good resource for a questioning Pre-Mil Baptist with a tough tradition?

Thanks for the consideration and encouragement.

Regards,

Bryce

Bryce, for someone in your position I would recommend that you either 1. meet a really cute postmillennialist, and have a series of awkward conversations with her dad, or 2. get and read Ken Gentry’s He Shall Have Dominion.

The Classical Christian Downgrade

This is a late response, and much more of a long autistic rant, but I had to write in response to “The Coming Classical Christian Downgrade” if only for my own catharsis. have never been as emotionally impacted by a post of yours. Let me state first my positive affirmation of how you said things, and then the frustration I experienced.

First, I am not a young-earther, being “undeclared” since I think the science for a young earth is forced as much as is the exegesis for an old earth. I appreciated how you did not throw old-earthers into one category but distinguished between people those who hold to a historical Adam and Eve and theistic evolutionists. The Old Earth position with its strained exegesis can take force away from the doctrine of inerrancy, but it is not as impactful on doctrines as denying that God began the human race with one couple. If imputation of guilt does not require historical reality, we couldn’t insist imputation of righteousness done. Well played in clarifying who is only having some unhealthy things (Old Earth) and those that are dangerous to a believer’s assurance. Thank you for seeing a difference, a classical school using, say, Stephen Meyer’s work is far different than using Biologos.

Secondly, using anything advocated by men like Keller and Horton is disturbing for reasons beyond which you mentioned. You have been adamant that Christian kids need a Christian education based on how education cannot be neutral, which is excellent. You have not written as much (though things you have said allude to your support of it) if the state by collecting taxes for education is going beyond her duties the same way the church would if it was putting criminals to death. I took for granted most people who have read the Bible and thought about the role of the church, state, and family would be firmly against state education strictly because they are usurping a role given by God to others, and therefore by collecting money for it are stealing. It is distressing to me that perhaps I was mistaken, I believed most people in the private Christian school system understood not only that education ought to be Christian, but that it ought to be paid for by students and/or their parents, not having their neighbors forced to pay for it. I thought part of the passion for Christian education, especially among Classical schools, which I joined largely because I thought it was more conservative than other Christian schools. (pedagogy is not a big deal to me). Well prior to 2021, public education was not simply wrong in 2021 because it’s content had become so immoral, but simply because “public education” is as unbiblical as an “eclectically firing squad.” Governments pushing the church and family out of their primary role in personal formation and taking money by force for something they have not biblical warrant to do. The state does have the right to take life and take money by force but not for any reason they desire. If taking life by force beyond it’s justified use is murder, than taking property beyond it’s justified use is stealing.

My point is this is not simply choosing as theological leaders men who have some theological problems (Keller more than Horton) but who are directly opposed to what we are doing in the first place. To look to men not only justify public education, but even advocate that a Christians duty is to support (in addition to the money already taken from them by force) this secular education, is a travesty. By letting men like this be influential in our movement, they are not only siding with men who will make Christian schools only technically Christian while teaching pagan ethics, history and worldview, but leaders who are against the whole premise that education is not the job of the state. This is nothing less than suicide. It is like John Calvin using Cajetan to support the reformation. Men who explicitly support the states right and responsibility to take money to educate kids, and call on Christians to join in that support, are the greatest detriments to freedom of education. And as President Trump said, educational choice is the greatest civil rights issue of our generation. This is opposed to Keller, who said that Christians should donate money to public schools in poorer neighborhoods, and if they don’t help the poor they are stealing. It is stranger for a pastor bound by the great commission to advocate Christians to support institutions that “undisciple” people and make them less Christian, let alone those whose existence subsists on stealing.

Your co-worker in keeping classical education Christian,

Luke

Luke, thank you for your letter, and may God really bless your future studies.

Divorce?

This letter is connected to no particular blog post. I have a question about divorce and I’d like your answer from a pastoral perspective.

Is it permissible for a woman to get a divorce if she has been physically abused? Let’s say she’s married to a guy who claims to be a Christian who does not want a divorce. The church intervenes following Matthew 18 and despite clear evidence of abuse he refuses to admit it or repent. Let’s say the church even excommunicates the bum.

Could the wife divorce her husband and still be considered an obedient Christian? Would she be considered an adulteress if she remarried because there was no sexual sin on the part of the husband?

I am considering returning to pastoral ministry and this is a question I’ve been thinking about but cannot resolve. I want to see how you think through this as a pastor.

The Bible appears to be silent. The silence may also be the answer.

I greatly respect your opinion and look forward to your response.

Sincerely,

Joel

Joel, this would be my response (in a nutshell). The two conditions for lawful divorce and remarriage (for the innocent party) are adultery and desertion. The case you describe could possibly fit in the second category, if the elders who disciplined the husband determined that the husband had in effect abandoned his wife, even though they were still under the same roof. That is not common, but I have seen it.

Bitcoin

I have benefited from your ministry for many years now. Thank you for all that you do. What are your thoughts on bitcoin, crypto generally, and DeFi? I bought a BTC in late 2013 on a whim (I was strong in the Libertarian camp back then), then sold it a month later for (what I thought was) a tidy profit. Alas, wish I had seen the long game.

Fast-forward to today, and I confess to snatching up bitcoin at the current lofty price level. What has surprised me is finding a strong Christian presence within the bitcoin community. For example, Jimmy Song is a big name in the movement—and a professing, unapologetic Christian. There are a host of other Christians with whom he is aligned in the movement. Perhaps you will read and review his recent book, Thank God for Bitcoin.

I work by day as a financial advisor, so I’ve been noting the institutional crowd getting on board with Bitcoin (hedge funds, Blackrock, Fidelity, etc.). This thing might really be here to stay.

Mike

Mike, three things. First, I am not nearly well-read enough on it to say anything truly valuable. Second, what I have read (Gilder), I liked very much. And third, I am generally a fan of things that the establishment (governmental or corporate) can’t control. So I am supportive and hopeful.

Real Science

The Post that was Not

If you haven’t already, I think you’ll find reading this to be a worthwhile use of your time:

Thanks for fighting.

Mystery Man

MM, thanks.

No Prospects

I have two fine daughters of marrying age (21 & 22), but they are without prospects. As it has been Providentially determined, our church has zero young men of marrying age. We love our church and have no other issues, so moving is not desirable. But my wife and I are becoming ever so slightly concerned about the possibility of watching our girls suffer through a lack of suitors. I recall from a couple of decades ago that Pastor Steve Schlessel once hosted something like a Reformed eHarmony, but that seems to have evaporated into the ether. Are you aware of anything that has taken its place? Are there any young men who would like to move to East Texas to court my daughters? (just kidding—kinda)

I see our options as 1) they start going to a different church on their own, which means it won’t be Presbyterian and Reformed; 2) they move to different cities where there IS a P&R church, preferably with single young men; 3) they join eHarmony, with P&R as one of the criteria, or 4) they remain single.

For now, they are filling up their time with additional college and pursuing careers, as they have nothing else to do with their time. Do you know of ANY other options?

In Christ,

Malachi

Malachi, I would say #3, and then suggest an additional #5. Write a line into your household budget for enabling your girls to begin attending conferences. Live at home, but travel frequently to places where large numbers of P&R congregate.

Baptism—What, Again?

I’m reading your book To a Thousand Generations and am slowly being convinced of Infant Baptism, but there are still 2 areas which stand out in my mind:

1) Paedobaptists claim that heart religion was present in the old covenant and new. So then what was the purpose of Pentecost falling of the Spirit if not heart religion?

2) Paedobaptists claim that in the new covenant you will keep your children, but numerous Presbyterian denominations have run away from the faith, splitting off and splitting again. What happened to their children? This doesn’t seem to accord with personal experience.

Thank you for previous interaction on this forum and God bless.

Tyler

Tyler, great questions. The giving of the Spirit at Pentecost was not to make heart regeneration possible, but rather to make it widespread. In other words, the trickle was to become a flood. And infant baptism does not guarantee any kind of automatic faithfulness. Baptism is a sacrament, which means that the blessings connected with it are activated by faith. When it is combined with evangelical faith, it is glorious. When such faith is absent, the sacraments and other forms of religiosity just make everything worse.

Take Me Down a Few Pegs

I have read your writings for some time and have decided to challenge your ideas openly. Without referencing you by name, I take aim at your eschatological-cum-political-theology in this essay. I am not nearly as experienced a writer as you are, but nonetheless I am persuaded that at this momentous time to remain silent would be cowardly on my part. I am a sinner and cannot justly condemn any man. My interest is simply to persuade as many as possible that the opinions you promote—chiefly that the Christian ought seek power after the pattern of this world—is wrong, and that they ought rather turn to the incorruptible truth of our God and of his Christ, proclaimed by his holy apostles through the grace of the Holy Spirit.

Sincerely,

Henry

Henry, getting taken down a few pegs would probably be good for my soul, and so good luck to you. But be careful with that goal of persuading “as many as possible.” If you succeed, you might find yourself in charge of something, and then you would have to figure out what to do with your right hand. We agree that left-handed power is where the heart of true spiritual authority lies. But in this life, there is a right hand, and our Lord will take a dim view of worthless servants who keep that hand in their pocket all the time because they believe He is a “hard master.”

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“But right now the pressing issue is this one: if the election was on the up and up, then why the fierce levels of censorship in every direction?”

Oh, I don’t know. Maybe some people are concerned that a lot of angry Trump fans would start to believe such lies and then cause a riot at which several would die?

ArwenB
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ArwenB

Yes, it is a problem that the Left and the media – but I repeat myself – project the failings of the rioters that they support onto the protesters they don’t.

Jonathan
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Jonathan

“projection” was an important word to use here. Did you watch this video?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-gSyxORAsQ

WJ
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How do you know it was Trump fans that caused that rather tame riot?

And why not the same level of censorship for for those who have caused far more damage and loss of life in the last several months? Are there not people who are concerned that a lot of angry Black Lives Matter (“But Not Really”) and Antifa (“We’re Really Fascists”) fans believe lies and then cause riots which have resulted in at least $2 billion in damages and in which dozens have died?

Jonathan
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Jonathan

Five people died at a “rather tame riot”? 50-60 police officers were injured and one beaten to death in “rather tame riot”? Did you see this video yet?

And you know they’re Trump fans because they identify themselves and show their faces on camera:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-gSyxORAsQ

Anne
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Anne

Jonathan, your comments have been overwhelmingly dominating threads recently. It is boorish to grossly commandeer the conversation on someone else’e blog. I suggest you make an effort to make your point more briefly because you are becoming a nuisance.

Jonathan
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Jonathan

What do you think about, as Senator Cotton says, the misinformation that led to insurrectionists storming the capitol and 5 lives lost?

I can see why correcting the gross falsehoods that have predominated here would be considered a nuisance. If you wish me to speak less, then address the issues and not me. If posters actually engaged the pressing issues here, then I wouldn’t have to keep being the one to do it nor would I have to keep responding to posts directed towards me instead.

Jane
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You must be extremely busy if you feel the need to correct every falsehood that is printed on every blog on the internet that has enthusiastic followers and doesn’t have sufficient pushback.

Or is there some reason that this one in particular is your special project?

Jonathan
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Jonathan

You’re the 3rd person to reply to me regarding the violent mobs of insurrectionists in the capitol (in Senator Cotton’s words) and the misinformation that inspired them (also Cotton)….and all of you have attacked me without addressing the violence. You must not care much.

And yes, I’m not very busy at all right now, I had to quit my job and move so my wife could care for her dying father, and I’m also suffering from “Long Covid” which limits my activity. And this is also my “special project”, it’s the only conservative blog I comment on.

Jane
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I didn’t reply to you regarding the violence, I replied to you regarding the impression you give that you perceive some duty in particular to correct things on this site. Your tactic of trying to make my particular contribution to a different conversation about “the violence” is deflecting and slimy. I have no need to address something simply because other people were talking about it, and I refuse to engage with the attempt to force me to either defend or denounce something wholly unrelated to me or what I was talking about. I am sorry you are currently without employment… Read more »

Jonathan
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Jonathan

I didn’t try to make your comment about the violence. I was clearly aware that you chose to prioritize me over discussing the topic. As is often the case.

I’ve shared why I post here on numerous occasions. I’ll do so again in 4-5 days… If y’all can discuss the real issue in the meantime. But I’m not going to further derail the thread.

We just saw 5 people die in a violent riot inspired by the same rhetoric that is peaches on this blog. And there is zero responsibility taken or willingness to change. That must be addressed.

Jane
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I prioritize discussing you over discussing the topic because I was genuinely curious about your motivations, and there is nothing about “the violence” that I am either curious about (as it’s hardly an obscure topic) or have anything particularly interesting to say that hasn’t already been said literally hundreds of thousands of times by now. If you find it strange that I prioritize discussing a topic that I believe there is something to be said or asked about over something that there is nothing really new to be said about, then I guess you’re just going to find it strange.… Read more »

Jonathan
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Jonathan

The short answer is: I’m from Moscow originally, I have friends who liked the blog, I strongly agree with the basic idea that obedience to Jesus should dictate every single aspect of life above all else, and I see a major gap between some of Jesus’s most regular, insistent commands and the message preached here. I’ve been here over a decade, I’m not going to search around the internet to find other people to disagree with. The longer answer is below but feel free to ignore. If it helps your legitimate curiosity, I was first forwarded this blog some 15-odd… Read more »

Jane
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Thanks for the straightforward answer. It was helpful. The reason I don’t ask people who appear to largely agree with Doug Wilson why they spend time posting here is that it seems to me to be a very natural thing to do, to engage in a place where you have an affinity for the author and seem to come from the same ideological/theological universe, even if there’s not total agreement, and even if I don’t think if every person from that universe is always correct, fair, or reasonable. It seemed less understandable to me why, with a whole world of… Read more »

Jane
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Oh, also, there’s another reason why I don’t ask some people why they come here (though I’m not including FP in this particular case). It’s because it is very plain that there is no good answer to that question, or that their purpose is obvious, and not a good one. Armin would be an example of this sort of person. Some people are not even worth disputing in this sort of setting.

Jonathan
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Jonathan

Thanks for that Jane. I tend to avoid echo chambers more than most people, I am certainly aware of that. I don’t post any place where I assume people will already agree with what I say, though I do read a lot of authors of course who think along similar lines to myself.

I’ve never seen FP express any theological positions, for or against Pastor Wilson, or show any theological inclinations at all. Virtually every single one of his comments is just attacking people he views as liberals. That’s why I asked about him specifically.

J.F. Martin
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Hello Jonathan, So I took the 10 minutes that you recommended and surfed the web. Of the 5 people “we just saw die” – at least three seem that personal choices led to their deaths rather than riots. A heart-attack, a stroke, and a gunshot, which likely followed a lawful order to stand down which was disobeyed. Dying while supporting Trump (even unlawful support) is not the same as dying by violent riot. Probably not a popular opinion – but if more violent rioters lost their lives – the government would at least be wielding their God-given sword, albeit heavy… Read more »

Jonathan
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Jonathan

J.F., did you watch the video I linked? The sum of violence was far far greater than defined by the deaths alone, but the deaths do help show the degree of violence present. If you watch, the opportunity for additional officers and bystanders to die was definitely there. In dismissing deaths that weren’t directly caused by other rioters, I think you misunderstand my point. I was trying to point out the culpability of those whose rhetoric leads to such events. The man who died of a heart attack (apparently from tazing himself but I’m not sure if that has been… Read more »

J.F. Martin
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Hi Jonathan, Yes, I did watch the video…and many other’s like it. I’m no organizational behavior expert…but in today’s environment, getting a group together to protest anything seems to result in counter protesting (which escalates), and people at the extreme of the viewpoint who are prone to violence, harassment, and a desire to go ‘viral’. To your point about repeatedly claiming fraud, theft, or other election malfeasance – name one prominent Democrat that said; “I strongly doubt what you’re claiming…but in the spirit of election integrity I’d like to help you look into it.” In the 24 hours after both… Read more »

Jonathan
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Jonathan

JF – lots of points to respond so I’ll number them. 1. The #1 point, which Pastor Wilson is still unwilling to address, is who and what caused the insurrection riots. Senator Tom Cotton said it clearly – the insurrectionists were reacting to misinformation and false hopes that were fed to them by cynical politicians looking for political gain. Senator Ben Sasse said it clearly – dozens of House Republicans who didn’t even believe the election was stolen were still refusing to accept the will of voters because they wanted to please Trump supporters. Pastor Wilson, in these pages, has… Read more »

Jonathan
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Jonathan

One last word on misinformation. On September 2nd, Pastor Wilson posted a article predicting Trump would win in a landslide and focused around the claim that Biden was a friend of violent rioters and had taken 3-4 months to start condemning the violence. He repeats the claim at least 5 times in the post, explicitly saying that Biden has been silent on the violence for 3-4 months (which in itself was a strange timeline as George Floyd hadn’t even been killed until just over 3 months before the post was made). That claim, apparently taken from a conservative meme going… Read more »

J.F. Martin
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Ugh…I responded…and then logged in. Perhaps my reply was not worth reading. Thanks for your thorough response Jonathan. I’ll re-read and rejoin. Be Blessed!

JP Stewart
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JP Stewart

Notice how Jonathan goes right along the narrative, “insurrectionists” and all. Not a peep from him as over $2 billion of damage, over 30 deaths, actual multi-day insurrections in major cities, terrorism of residential areas, blinding of LEOs from lasers, hundreds of assaults and injuries of innocent people and cops, etc. occur. But boy, oh boy…if the MSM gets all worked up, so does Jonathan! It’s hard to imagine better useful idiots from the faux Christian left.

Jonathan
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Jonathan

That’s not true. I suspect you already know that.

Dave
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Dave

Jonathan, your Christian witness here is lacking. You are standing in the gates and spout nonsense.

You can’t even answer basic questions such as: “Can a state supreme court ruling make a new law?

At post 235332 above, the video you posted shows John Sullivan, the founder of the radical group Insurgence USA, filming Babbitt as she was shot. (10:34) He is in the upper left corner.

Why was he there?

Jonathan
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Jonathan

He was documenting what was happening so that Trump supporters couldn’t lie about it, as they’re already doing even here. As you note, all he did was film. There is even a filmmaker (Jade Sacker) doing a story on Insurgence USA who was filming Sullivan throughout the day and who has stated that he did not lead the charge or commit any violence and who has turned over her tapes.

Can you address the actual Trump supporters who were documented doing all the actual violence? It’s amazing that you ignored that to address one man filming.

Jonathan
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Jonathan

I’m going to add more context to the John Sullivan aspect. I have read the indictment and he does not appear to have acted in violence towards anyone or led the charge. However, he definitely did more than film at least in terms of words, he was completely complicit in being a part of the overall mob and I think he truly desired everything they did, at least against the building. Combined with a speech I’ve now seen him give earlier, I think he’s definitely an anarchist/revolutionary type who wants to see it all burn down. He deserves the criminal… Read more »

JP Stewart
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JP Stewart

“He was documenting what was happening so that Trump supporters couldn’t lie about it, as they’re already doing even here.”

He’s been arrested before and is on video calling for full-on violence and terrorism against Trump in f-bomb-laden rants. Now he’s some kind of hero for documenting those evil Trump supporters?
https://www.ptnewsnetwork.com/fact-check-blm-antifa-linked-john-sullivan-is-not-a-journalist-told-protesters-to-burn-capitol/?fbclid=IwAR3Fb851DC3thyuERtts_veRNYADSfkRbvyiKDkjjhUKvNTHtuJoPt-u11Q

Jonathan
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Jonathan

Did you completely ignored all my other comments about Sullivan? You’re late.

JP Stewart
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JP Stewart

These people don’t exactly look the part either. In fact, I’ve read dozens of accounts (some of friends of friends) who reported seeing Antifa types and quite a few other videos and pictures. I trust them more than pseudo-journalists who make Orwell look tame.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UfuKf55LdY&feature=youtu.be

Jonathan
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Jonathan

Yes, his own brother (who heads a pro-Trump org) claims that the family was all Trump supporters until Sullivan was “radicalized” last summer and became liberal. However, liberal activists quickly banned him from their events as he appeared to be a self-promoting provocateur calling for violence. He was already exposed by then last year.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.upworthy.com/amp/john-sullivan-capitol-riot-not-blm-2649955338

JP Stewart
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JP Stewart

Try 150 injured. And there were a lot more police officers and security guards killed than one…including some who were ambushed in other areas. Oh wait, that was when woke terrorists were rioting for social justice…or something. The ones who tore down barriers and wanted to get into the White House. Obviously we’re supposed to be silent about them.
https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/verify/150-local-federal-officers-injured-during-dc-protests-verify/65-8fdaf04e-df2e-47d0-abd6-a47017a699f8

Kathleen Zielinski
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Kathleen Zielinski

I don’t think the Capitol riots are factually analogous to BLM and Antifa, even though in both cases you had people committing violent acts. The Capitol riots were for the specific purpose of trying to overthrow a democratic election — in other words, an attack on our institutions themselves. BLM and Antifa, for all their faults, weren’t that. So I would say that the appropriate comparison is that BLM and Antifa were like a boy slapping his sister, whereas the Capitol riots were like a boy slapping his mother. Both slaps are completely unacceptable and should be responded to with… Read more »

JP Stewart
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JP Stewart

“The Capitol riots were for the specific purpose of trying to overthrow a democratic election”

No, that was done on November 3, especially in large cities known for massive corruption. Unarmed guys in silly outfits taking selfies aren’t trying to overthrow anything. They were just being stupid…and should’ve known they wouldn’t get the “catch and release” treatment Antifa gets. Granted, they broke the law and shouldn’t have entered the Capitol, but that was no real insurrection attempt. Anyone using that word is either brainwashed or acting in bad faith.

Jonathan
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Jonathan

So Senator Tom Cotton is acting in bad faith when he described them as insurrectionists?

Why did some of them have plastic cuffs out? Why did they ask for the location of specific congressman? Why did hundreds of them attack police….for selfies?

What do you think of the FBI report that they had already formed an intelligence report stating that Trump supporters were planning an attempted insurrection online before the event even started?

Jonathan
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Jonathan

GOP Congresswoman Beutler has voted in line with President Trump 90% of the time and voted against impeachment the first time…pretty sure she knows more about what happened than you:

“The President of the United States incited a riot aiming to halt the peaceful transfer of power from one administration to the next. The riot led to five deaths….The violent mob bludgeoned to death a Capitol police officer as they defaced symbols of our freedom. These terrorists roamed the Capitol, hunting the Vice President and Speaker of the House…

https://twitter.com/HerreraBeutler/status/1349211904644952064

WJ
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Jonathan, you’re spamming the comments. Knock it off.

Laura
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Malachi with the fine daughters, I may have a solution. Please reach out to me on my website.

drewnchick
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And what website would that be?

kyriosity
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Click on Laura’s name on her comment.

Jonathan
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Jonathan

I’m not shocked that people are already claiming that it was all exaggerated or nothing more than trespassing. In order to cut those lies off quickly, watch the following video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-gSyxORAsQ

Jonathan
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Jonathan

Hundreds if not thousands of people shouted out intentions of violence. They acted on it. A police officer was beaten to death and by shear luck was there only one. 50-60 police officers were injured, several hospitalized. A woman was trampled to death. The # of Trump supporters who attacked cops was in the hundreds at least. Hundreds others destroyed both government and private property. Some carried handcuffs and pipe bombs. Five people died and a sixth committed suicide.

Don’t trust me, use your eyes.

Jonathan
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Jonathan

It’s extremely disappointing but not at all surprising that Pastor Wilson is once again blaming the actions of the left for the sins of the right. The idea that “the left started it” is simply false. I told you back in 2015/16 that Trump was openly instigating violence, and it was ignored. Antifa emerged as violent clowns responding inappropriately to the violence, but they were the response, not the originators. Yet Trump’s propensity for instigating violence and the violent instincts of many his supporters were ignored. If you watch the videos from the attempted insurrection, whose rhetoric were they getting… Read more »

Duncan Edge
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Duncan Edge

I felt like someone was reading my mind as I was reading your post last night. I had read a few other “Christian” responses from RM and the like that made me feel nauseous. I always look forward to your perspective. It’s biblical, logical, and succinct. I’ve only acquired Father Hunger and Fidelity for my shelves, but both are excellent! Thank you, Doug!

Jonathan
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Jonathan

Pastor, you’ve gone from one justification to the next, and this is the latest:

But right now the pressing issue is this one: if the election was on the up and up, then why the fierce levels of censorship in every direction? That entire world is certainly acting as though they have a naked adulterer in the bedroom closet.

They’re acting as if they know people act violently on lies. You have not helped your readers discern truth from lies. If people will just believe any lie they hear, what alternative is there other than censoring the lies?

Jonathan
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Jonathan

For examples just from the previous 3 weeks of letters: When a letter writer pointed out that Pastor Wilson was spreading false claims: Roger, thank you for the admonition, and for the obvious good intentions in it. But let me suggest another option, which has to do with how memes work. I posted that meme as a meme, and not as evidence. It is not the same thing as posting video footage of (say) the Georgia suitcases. The latter is being offered as evidence; memes are more like hieroglyphs—pictures of a point you want to make. So it’s okay to… Read more »

Dave
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Dave

Jonathan, you believe and push many lies and call others who don’t lie — liars. Your Christian witness here is poor at best.

Tell me how state supreme courts can make law on their own?

You say it doesn’t matter now, but that is like the prostitute wiping her mouth and saying that she hasn’t done anything wrong.

Jonathan
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Jonathan

Not one reply to me has addressed the 5 people who died, the violence on that day, or the misinformation that led to it.

Dave, accusing me of unspecified lies, attacking my character, making vulgar statements, and tossing out a red herring that has nothing to do with conversation is not a meaningful way to have a conversation that will bring anyone closer to God or holiness.

Dave
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Dave

Jonathan, your witness here is poor and unchristian. You have repeatedly called me a liar. My posts are to point the way for you and others to be better Christians instead of your bad witness here pounding, pounding, pounding Wilson and everyone else. My comment about the prostitute is right from Proverbs. Read a chapter every day and you may start on the way to wisdom and understanding. Did you not recognize that Bible verse at all? There is no red herring. You choose to call it that because you lack the foundation to discuss civics, scripture and how they… Read more »

Jonathan
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Jonathan

You still can’t talk about the issue of the horrific violence propagated by a misinformation campaign. You must not care.

Pennsylvania’s state supreme court ruling did not affect the Pennsylvania outcome or this mob attack. It did not lead to a single fraudulent vote, and even if you wish to disallow votes by legitimate voters that arrived too late due to a mail slowdown, there were so few that it did not impact the outcome at all. The state supreme court and US supreme court have ruled on the issue, it’s over.

Dave
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Dave

Jonathan, saying that I don’t care is another one of your lies.

I asked a generic question and you avoided the answer.

Can a state supreme court by issuing a ruling make law?

Jonathan
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Jonathan

The simple answer is yes, despite the catchphrases you hear, supreme courts clearly make laws. The prohibition on “prior restraint” is a law made by the courts, as is the prohibition against school segregation, as were rulings that gave corporations the rights of persons and blocked government from limiting their campaign activity. In interpreting the often vague principles that underlie our justice system or re-interpreting laws to fit previously unprecedented scenarios, the opinions of the court become the law of the land.

But again, you’re derailing the discussion so this is pointless.

Dave
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Dave

Jonathan, your simple answer yes, shows a basic misunderstanding of civics in the Constitutional Republic we call the United States. Courts may not make law. That is one of the founding principles. Courts may interpret law and if a law is vague, they may pontificate on that in a decision. However, the law is then pushed back to the legislature to either let the decision stand as interpreted by the court, or the legislature may draft and pass new legislation that avoids the court interpretation or incorporates that interpretation. State supreme court decisions apply only in that state. SCOTUS decisions… Read more »

Jonathan
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Jonathan

That is conservative dogma at odds with history and their own actions. For example, the Supreme Court rewrote the Voting Rights Act in 2013. What gave them the authority to rewrite a 48-year-old law passed by the legislative branch? They determined the circumstances warranted it. Just like the Penn court did.

Shelby, Citizens United, Brown, all made laws clearly not intended by any legislature.

But this is just you wasting time. Not one court decision changed the presidential election outcome in any state.

WJ
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So now the Constitution is “conservative dogma” and courts have the authority to make law… because they said so!

Oh, my sides.

No wonder Jonathan quit his day job. There’s only so many hours in the day, and that clown makeup ain’t gonna apply itself.

Jonathan
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Jonathan

So fp came back out of hiding after calling last week’s attempted insurrection with 5 deaths a “rather tame riot”.

Who banned prior restraint?

Who made separate but equal schooling for Black children illegal?

Who made corporate political donations into protected speech?

Who declared that that Sections 4 and 5 of the 1965 Voting Rights Act were no longer valid because 40 years had passed and times are different?

No federal legislature had ever passed laws with those intents. The courts determined they were neglected and necessary.

WJ
Member

Thanks for proving my point. Authority usurped is the best kind, ain’t it? So, about this so-called “riot”: I wouldn’t even consider it a riot, much less an insurrection. One broken window and some lefty putz in a buffalo horn headdress sitting in Pelosi Galore’s chair seems more like something out of Animal House. But watching you lefties run around screaming “Insurrection! Treason!” like your hair’s on fire — especially after all those other times your people breached the Capitol — sure does make for some great entertainment, doesn’t it? Half a million Trump supporters, and only a few hundred… Read more »

Jonathan
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Jonathan

The first time you lied about the riots, I posted this video. Apparently you still haven’t watched it?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-gSyxORAsQ

Led by antifa? You’re lying.

Just one broken window? You’re lying.

Only real damage is 4 Trump supporters dead? How about the police officer they killed? Or the 50-60 who were injured?

And I am 100% against violence in protests, when committed by anyone. I have never once said different.

WJ
Member

Sorry, can’t hear your screams of “You’re lying!” over the roar of the evidence.

That was Antifa acting as agent provocateurs. You may direct any disagreement toward Michael Yon, who was actually there.

Were you there?

And thanks for pointing out Brian Sicknick’s death. If this is what it takes to get you to finally care about a Trump supporter dying in an Antifa-led riot, then I guess we’re making progress.

Jonathan
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Jonathan

You are a strange form of troll. Have you watched the video yet? That tells you whether it was Trump supporters leading the effort or not:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-gSyxORAsQ

You were lying about the guy with the bull horns being a leftist. He’s a well-known Trump fanatic. As are nearly all of the 100+ people who have been arrested.

I decry all violence, so stop falsely insinuating that I didn’t care about violence before this. I have always been a consistent voice on here regarding Jesus’s call to nonviolence.

WJ
Member

Hey Jonathan, can you post that YouTube link again? I don’t think five times is enough for a written forum. And while you’re at it, can you screech “YOU’RE LYING!!!!!” louder next time? The more you amp up the volume, the more I laugh. For some reason, I just can’t get enough. Since you think repetition is a valid form of argument, I’ll play along. Michael Yon was there. He said, and I quote: “Antifa clearly led the attack. That was utterly obvious.” Jake Angeli (the buffalo-horned guy) is described by his own mother as a “shamanic practitioner” and that… Read more »

Ken B
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Ken B

How do you know that the allegation that the riots were really an antifa false flag operation isn’t really a conspiracy by Trump supporters to shift the blame for the violence to the left? …

WJ
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Ken B, when actions are attributed to Trump supporters that are uncharacteristic of them as a whole, it raises suspicions. Trump supporters are usually law-abiding and completely peaceful — as opposed to “mostly peaceful”. Indeed, Trump himself called for peace that day. There’s no doubt there were genuine Trump supporters in the Capitol that day. Ashli Babbitt was one of them. However, there is plenty of evidence there were agent provocateurs inside the Capitol. I already talked about buffalo-horn guy. Only a moron would think he’s a Trump fanatic. In addition to eyewitness accounts from journalists like Michael Yon, we… Read more »

Jonathan
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Jonathan

I’ve already discussed John Sullivan above. Further, he was a Trump supporter until last year (his brother runs a right-wing org), and within months of joining “the left”, he was banned from BLM protests for appearing to be an agent inciting violence. Look at the link below regarding how he was already exposed by “the left” months ago.

That’s the one provocateur who people have identified, and he didn’t lead the violence. Meanwhile, 100+ Trump supporters have been identified in federal indictments as taking part in violence.

https://twitter.com/RebellionBaby/status/1331902011147620352

Jonathan
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Jonathan

From Nov 2020:

We have reason to believe that a likely infiltrator/agent provocateur by the name of John Sullivan is attempting to insert himself in the Seattle protest community.

John has been kicked from the SaltLakeCity and Portland protest scenes due to grifting/profiteering, self-promotion, sabotage of community actions, threats of violence, and ties to the far-right.

John’s brother, James, is the co-founder of a pro-Trump org called “Civilized Awakening,” and has strong ties to Proud Boys — even having spoken at a Proud Boy rally.

Activists in these cities recommend that he be barred from community actions and totally avoided.

WJ
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Guilt-by-association is a common leftist fallacy, Jonathan. But it works on the gullible, so we’ll play:

Jonathan is a leftist. John Sullivan is a leftist who openly incites violence. Therefore, you have ties to leftist violence.

Voilà! Guilt by association.

WJ
Member

So, in other words, you admit Sullivan is a leftist goon, you admit he was at the Capitol, and you admit he was an agent inciting violence.

Apology accepted.

However, your claim that John Sullivan was a Trump supporter simply because his brother runs a “right-wing org” is downright laughable.

Anyone can put on a MAGA hat. Only the naïve think that means the person is a Trump supporter.

Jonathan
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Jonathan

I called him a Trump supporter until last summer because his own brother said he was. And his brother runs a right-wing org and has been a speaker at a Proud Boys event, so why would he like about that? Their father is a white military officer and they live in Utah, it’s not exactly surprising that they’re conservative.

Now, are you going to address the links above that show he was already kicked out of multiple left-wing protest scenes last year for being a suspected infiltrator, self-promoting, and making calls to violence?

WJ
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Why should I address the links? Being kicked out of left-wing riots doesn’t make him any less of a left-wing nutcase.

He’s your nutcase. So embrace the crazy.

Ken B
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Ken B

fp – I saw enough of Trump’s speech to hear him say to demonstrate ‘peacefully’. I can also believe that elements of the hard left would use the high emotions to try to foment trouble. I’ve heard similar anecdotal claims to the reverse happening with antifa violence. I’ve watched Jonathan’s YT coverage. Also seen some of it on German TV. The commentator there, who is obligated to be as objective as possible, had spent time amongst the crowd before and after the violence, and said there was no doubt there were many Trump supporters involved. (He is not the only… Read more »

WJ
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Ken B, it is ludicrous to suggest Trump’s “general rhetoric” is to blame for “stirring up a frenzy for a very long time” when the violence in our streets has been overwhelmingly carried out by the left, egged on and incited by their Democrat masters. Here are some quotes: “If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun.” -Barack Obama “There needs to be unrest in the streets for as long as there’s unrest in our lives.” -Ayanna Pressley (D-MA) “Because once you have a group that is marginalized and marginalize and marginalized…once someone doesn’t have access… Read more »

JP Stewart
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JP Stewart

Yep, plenty more, including VP Harris’ open love and support of rioters… but only leftist rioters, of course. She loves them so much she’s helped bail out some of them. Now that’s not a terrifying thought of a Jezebel who could be queen if Sleepy Joe disqualifies himself.

Jonathan
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Jonathan

At least you already discredited yourself as a serious conversation partner from the very first quote.

WJ
Member

Yup. Just like clockwork: When you can’t refute the facts, attack the messenger.

Your precious Democrats are far more guilty of inciting violence than Trump will ever be. Your precious lefties are far more guilty of committing violence than Trump supporters ever will be. $2 billion in damages and counting, hundreds injured, and around three dozen dead.

Which is why you’re here screaming your fool head off. Your guilt is greater, therefore your voice is louder.

And if I weren’t a serious conversation partner, then you wouldn’t be here, responding in Pavlovian fashion whenever I post. It’s like you can’t help yourself.

Jonathan
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Jonathan

Ken, for example, the very first article from the Washington Times (then quoted by Matt Gaetz and others) claimed that the facial recognition company XRVision had identified antifa members in the rally. Washington Times was forced to retract the story when XRVision contacted them themselves and said it was a lie, they had in fact identified Trump supporters.

So they’re already putting out blatantly false stories about antifa. Will conservatives hold them accountable or just run to the next falsehood?

https://www.thewrap.com/washington-times-false-antifa-story-capitol-matt-gaetz/

WJ
Member

Sure, as soon as you lefties hold the New York Times and the Washington Post accountable for pushing the Trump/Russian collusion hoax and for libeling Nick Sandmann.

But we all know that will never happen.

Jonathan
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Jonathan

I posted the video a 5th time because you claimed the only damage was one window broken. Either you didn’t watch it the first 4 times nor had you consumed any actual news of the event, or you were actively lying. Which was it? So far as Jake Angeli, once again you don’t appear to take the truth seriously. He’s a former military guy and conspiracy theorist, here is a fuller account of his activity: Angeli has been a supporter of Donald Trump,[14][15][16][17] has a social media following, and has attended rallies supporting QAnon mostly in and around Phoenix.[14] At… Read more »

WJ
Member

CNN storms the Capitol, and you’re still hung up about exactly how many broken windows there were? After swallowing camels, you should be careful not to choke on those gnats. We wouldn’t want another COVID death, now would we? Besides, we now know at least one of those windows was broken by an Antifa goon. He admitted it on video. And I love this new tactic of calling people “conspiracy theorist” as if that equals “Trump supporter”, especially since we all know the mainstream media that has the market cornered on conspiracy theories. Speaking of which, you didn’t fall for… Read more »

Jonathan
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Jonathan

No, not the “#” of windows broken, more like the # of police attacked (over 50-60 injured, many seriously and 1 killed), the number of death threats chanted by the crowd, the # of pipe bombs found, the extensive and purposeful destruction of property by hundreds of participants, and the clear desire to install an unelected leader. As Senator Cotton said, that’s an insurrection.

I post the video because it speaks much louder than your random deflections. There are moments in there where dozens of Trump supporters are attacking police together and causing grievous harm.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-gSyxORAsQ

WJ
Member

Yeah, it really sucks when an unelected leader is about to be installed. Looks like your Reichstag fire redux was a success, and he’ll be inaugurated on January 20. As Senator Cotton said, that’s an insurrection. Bonus quote from Michael Burkes, aka Trump’s Black Grandson: “If you need 10,000 Armed Soldiers to protect your inauguration from The People, then you probably weren’t elected by The People.” So enjoy your racist, senile, doddering, violence-inciting, puppet “president”, Jonathan. I can assure you we’ll give him all the respect you and your comrades gave Trump during his four years — assuming he even… Read more »

Jonathan
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Jonathan

I didn’t think trolls were allowed in offices, too many bright lights.

You just claimed Biden was “unelected”. Senator Ben Sasse, a man of God, who has 100x more credibility than you ever will, has already explained why that is a farce.

And “Reichstag fire redux was a success”? Besides the mind-boggling cognitive dissonance it takes to claim that attack want the work of Trump supporters, are you seriously implying it had anything to do with Biden becoming president? You are aware that the election was already over, right?

WJ
Member

“Unelected”, huh? Here it is, straight from The Big Guy’s lips: “We’re in a situation where we have put together, and you guys did it for our administration…President Obama’s administration before this. We have put together, I think, the most extensive and inclusive voter fraud organization in the history of American politics.” If you don’t like it when people say the election was stolen, then perhaps you should take it up with Biden. There was another man of God who was talked about on these boards a while back. His name? Roy Moore. And you libeled him by calling him… Read more »

Jonathan
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Jonathan

I’m still waiting to hear why Trump said “I understand exactly how you feel….I love you. You’re very special.” to a mob of Antifa…

WJ
Member

Just like we’re still waiting to hear why Horizontal Harris said, “This is a movement, I’m telling you. They’re not gonna stop. And everyone beware because they’re not gonna stop. They’re not gonna stop before Election Day and they’re not going to stop after Election Day. And everyone should take note of that. They’re not gonna let up and they should not.” to a mob of Antifa…

JP Stewart
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JP Stewart

And here are rioters from the summer when a much larger number of policemen were injured. They liked vandalizing churches, too. And they loved surrounding vehicles, vandalizing them and trying to pull drivers out to beat them. But hey, it was for social justice,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujtPygMy1I8

WJ
Member

JP, they not only vandalized churches, they burned them as well.

The only difference between the KKK and BLM/Antifa are the color of their clothes.

Jonathan
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Jonathan

And if you don’t believe me, perhaps you should take the advice of Republican House leader Kevin McCarthy:

“Some say the riots were caused by antifa,” McCarthy told his colleagues. “There is absolutely no evidence of that, and conservatives should be the first to say so.”

More details here:

https://theintercept.com/2021/01/14/capitol-riot-john-sullivan-ashli-babbitt/

WJ
Member

So now you’re quoting a politician as if he’s an objective source of truth?

Bwahahahahahahaha!

JP Stewart
Member
JP Stewart

“I decry all violence, so stop falsely insinuating that I didn’t care about violence before this. I have always been a consistent voice on here regarding Jesus’s call to nonviolence.” That’s the kind of bold-faced lie that would have a God-fearing man shaking in his boots. You had over 7 months to come here and decry leftist violence but you never did. As soon as it happens from the right (in a much smaller magnitude), you litter posts with comments like a group of drunk teenagers with beer cans. You have clear double standards and your religion and ethical system… Read more »

Jonathan
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Jonathan

And that would again be false, as virtually everyone who posts here already knows.

WJ
Member

When have you decried leftist violence, Jonathan? And no, calling Antifa “clowns” doesn’t cut it. I put up a post giving quotes of your precious Democrats inciting violence, and you claimed that I “discredited” myself. You decry ALL violence? Since all it takes is one counterexample to refute this claim, here it is. You wrote this a few years back: A baseball bat would be a good idea only in the most extreme, last-option circumstances, and probably even in that case aimed at the weapon rather than the head. I, personally, have never had to use an implement in such… Read more »

Dave
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Dave

Jonathan, it is not conservative dogma. It is from our Constitution. “The judicial power of the United States, shall be vested in one Supreme Court, and in such inferior courts as the Congress may from time to time ordain and establish.” Article III, Section 1 “The judicial Power shall extend to all Cases, in Law and Equity, arising under this Constitution, the Laws of the United States, and Treaties made, or which shall be made, under their Authority;—to all Cases affecting Ambassadors, other public ministers and Consuls;—to all Cases of admiralty and maritime Jurisdiction;—to Controversies to which the United States… Read more »

JP Stewart
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JP Stewart

“Not one court decision changed the presidential election outcome in any state.”

Yes, when people have put their names and reputations on the line and made serious claims under oath….only to have judges throw them out whimsically….that can happen. That’s when you know it’s more a banana republic than a Constitutional one.

Clay Crouch
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Clay Crouch

There you ago again, Dave. Now you’ve added constitutional law expert to your resume’. As his star acolyte, you really are an embarrassment to Doug Wilson. You have no idea how the judicial branch works. Let’s review the areas of your self-professed expertise, which are quite impressive, considering your lack of educational credentials. But then, maybe you’re a multi-discipline idiot savant? – Virologist – Epidemiologist – Electronic Election Systems – Election Fraud Detection – Political Science (specializing in Fascism) – Pilot – Current Condition of the US Military You have spread false information while at the same time accusing me… Read more »

JP Stewart
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JP Stewart

“There you ago again, Dave. Now you’ve added constitutional law expert to your resume’.”
That’s not how it works, Crouchy. The Constitution was written in a way that a 12-year old could read it and get the gist of it. It was never intended to only be interpreted by “experts” who were indoctrinated by years of postmodern legal theory, CRT and other rubbish. You can gladly move to Venezuela or Cuba if you like that kind of thing, though.

Clay Crouch
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Clay Crouch

JPS,

For your own sake, please stop. You’re embarrassing yourself while at the same time proving my point about Dave and his penchant for self aggrandizing.

How’s your reversion therapy progressing?

Jonathan
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Jonathan

When have the courts made a decision interpreting the Constitution based on years of studying “postmodern legal theory”?

Do you agree with the decisions banning prior restraint, separate but equal education, and declaring sections 4 and 5 of the Voting Rights Act outdated and invalid?

ArwenB
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ArwenB

Re: Gabriel’s letter on judges hearing cases.

The problem with Gabriel’s argument, if the information that I have heard is correct, is that every single judge before whom cases were brought refused to hear the cases at all.

Which means that the evidence has not been judged to be inadequate, because it has not been heard – much less judged! – at all.

Jonathan
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Jonathan

No, that information is not correct. For example, here is a statement from a Trump-appointed judge in the 3rd circuit court in his decision:

Federal judge Stephanos Bibas pulled no punches when he issued a scathing opinion last Saturday rejecting the Trump campaign’s latest attempt to overturn the outcome of the November 3 presidential election.

“Charges of unfairness are serious. But calling an election unfair does not make it so,” Bibas wrote in a 21-page ruling dismissing a lawsuit that sought to stop the certification of Pennsylvania’s voting results. “Charges require specific allegations and then proof. We have neither here.”

Abigail
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Abigail

One note regarding the question, “When is it time to resist an evil government using violent means, as the Founders did?” We must remember that the “violence” our Founders resorted to is wildly different from that which we see today. Before the War for Independence was declared with Britain, the acts of violence were far from chaotic or rash. You had the Boston Massacre, a very small incident which was blown to greater proportions by those who wished to see it as a cause for Independence. It was a small, contained event which was caused, not by forethought, but by… Read more »

Jonathan
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Jonathan

If you say property damage isn’t violence, I think you’re at odds with Pastor Wilson. Many here believe property damage is violence even if no one is hurt, and think they can respond to property damage or theft with retaliatory violence.

I don’t believe that Christians are justified in using violence against God’s children to achieve their political ends. It shows a failure to love our neighbor and enemy, a willingness to put ultimate judgments of other persons in our own hands, and a lack of trust in God’s power to act when our hands move in Christ-like ways.

Abigail
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Abigail

Would you then disagree with the Founders? For I have no doubt there were many British soldiers who would claim the title of God’s children and whom God’s colonist children fought against for liberty. Do you believe the American Revolution was unjustified and wrong? Because every liberty you here possess is a direct result of that fight. How is it that you assume God did not use the American Revolution for His ultimate purposes? God can use anyone for His purpose. Why could he not have been using the colonists? A part of His power was revealed in the actions… Read more »

Jonathan
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Jonathan

I disagree with the founders on enslaving God’s image and massacring God’s created people on this continent. From there it’s not a huge step to also disagree with them on violently killing Englishmen because they didn’t like their representation and tariff levels and wanted a freer hand to kill Native Americans (that’s in the Declaration too).

I’m a direct descendant of veterans of almost every major pre-Iraq military engagement in this nation’s history (including 1812 and the Alamo) and I think that our birth in violence plays a part in our culture of violence and has exacted a heavy toll.

Clay Crouch
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Clay Crouch

Jonathan,

That parable about swines and pearls seems appropriate here.

Good luck!

Jonathan
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Jonathan

That’s not helpful either Clay.

We Be Libtards
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We Be Libtards

Not to worry, Clay, I think it was very helpful.

Clay Crouch
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Clay Crouch

Thanks. I had you mind when I wrote the comment.

J.F. Martin
Member

I second Jonathan…and thank him for saying so.

Clay Crouch
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Clay Crouch

But it’s accurate. If it doesn’t apply to Wilson and his followers in this situation, then Jesus was only kidding.

Jonathan
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Jonathan

Whether accurate or not, I don’t believe it’s the sort of thing that should be said publicly by people with faulty judgment like ourselves. A decision to make a judgment like that should be reserved for private discernment or discussion.

Clay Crouch
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Clay Crouch

My judgement regarding Doug Wilson and the commenters who believe conspiracy theories, spread lies about the election results, and support the insurrectionist is charitable, certainly not faulty.

guest
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guest

For Malachi (his daughters, that is):
https://sovereigngracesingles.com/

Brendan
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Brendan

Only a postmillennialist could say, “Buy guns and stock up ammo.”

This is because all that they’ve been struggling to do in terms of building God’s kingdom will otherwise go down the Swanee if somebody they don’t like should get into power.

And that’s a hard thing to take – especially as it pushes Christ’s return further and further into the future.

My beloved American brothers and sisters, pre-mill, post-mill, pre-trib, post-trib doctrines and dogmatism, etc., has not served you well.

Ken B
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Ken B

Think Hal Lindsey – Hal on earth!! He managed to take the doctrine of the second coming off the agenda except for those who think about nothing else for a whole generation in the UK. What was it the Rev Henry Ford once said – “Dispensationalism is bunk”!! On a somewhat more serious note I have been bothered for some time that so many believers in the West on seeing what is currently happening with politics and corona and the very real possibility of coming under real pressure from antagonistic secularists seem to automatically think the end of the age… Read more »

Anne
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Anne

https://twitter.com/JamesOKeefeIII/status/1349023335628288006

Short story: “Even if Biden wins, we go for all the Republican voters, Homeland Security will take their children away…” – PBS Principal Counsel

We should take these people at their word. This kind of thing is really what they intend to do. No allowing yourself normalcy bias anymore, folks.

Jonathan
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Jonathan

You’re quoting James O’Keefe, who has been exposed lying and making false videos numerous times. It’s the only thing he does. How long will you allow misinformation to keep governing you?

His M.O. is to get people to say something outlandish as a joke or as a response to an outlandish idea he proposed, and then cut out the parts where they say it’s a horrible idea. How do you know he didn’t do that here? The wording in that clip is completely cartoonish and no sane person will believe that’s seriously on the table.

Anne
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Anne

Exposed for lying? False videos? Show me the proof. He has won every defamation lawsuit they threw at him. Stop repeating propaganda; practically everything you say is straight leftist party lines.

Jonathan
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Jonathan

In 2010, Keefe made videos of ACORN employees supposedly aiding him in attempting to commit criminal activity. He did not disclose that they had called the police and reported his supposed crimes the moment he left their office. The AG’s office found his tapes to have selectively omitted key statements and were re-edited out of order to create a false impression. One of the employees sued O’Keefe and won a $100,000 settlement from him. All investigations of ACORN (from two AGs and the GAO) found no evidence that they intended to aid any illegal activity. That same year he tried… Read more »

Jonathan
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Jonathan

Now more to the point – do you seriously believe that Biden is going to send Homeland Security to take away the children of Republican voters? Nothing about that claim makes even the slightest sense. I realize that we’re in Trump’s reality now where any lie can be believed, but can’t you just acknowledge that there is absolutely zero chance that is real?

Anne
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Anne

I’ve heard my fill of stories about family members caught in purges in the USSR. Yes, not only are communists capable of it, but when they find that the children of believers and small business owners are not so pliable, they will start executing them. The rhetoric from the left: purges, cleansing, reeducation, etc all have historic meaning. That meaning is bloody.

Jonathan
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Jonathan

The Biden Administration is not Stalin’s USSR, and Homeland Security is not going to purge you and take your children. No, no one is going to start executing small business owners either.

Pastor Wilson, do you see where your rhetoric leads?

We Be Libtards
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We Be Libtards

Thank you, Jonathan. I know I certainly do feel reassured.

Jill Smith
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Jill Smith

The PBS Counsel who made that remark has been fired from PBS today. Even if he was kidding, these are not times in which we can make stupid and intemperate remarks. I think there is nothing in a Biden Harris administration that should make you fear for the lives of your children. Both have had long political careers and neither has been known as dangerously radical. One reason for the unpopularity of Kamala Harris during the primaries was her record as a tough DA and state A-G. Progressives really dislike her. I do understand that conservatives will obviously look with… Read more »

Ken B
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Ken B

Thank you for this measured response. I have been a listener to James White’s Dividing Line for quite a while now. Very good on the bible and exposing the encroachments of being woke. But the overreaction to Trump losing the election makes me wonder. This might lead to much more wokism, but that has been progressing (as it were) during an ostensibly conservative administration. I don’t think the USSA is in the offing. If healthcare coverage for the whole US population is introduced by the Democrats, the 10% who have no cover at all at present being included for the… Read more »

Anne
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Anne

The goal posts on what we think of as normal have been shattered this past year. Your statement is one of hope that past restraints will continue to function, not one borne of assessing the actual things people in power are saying and doing. Leftists in academia, the media, etc littered twitter with calls for creating lists of trump supporters to be used to get them fired and force reeducation on them. This PBS fellow’s kind of rhetoric is not an isolated incident, but is more egregiously honest than most. Communist style propaganda classes requiring one to self accuse of… Read more »

Jonathan
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Jonathan

Well then Anne, I guess you better condemn your elected Republican politicians for not warding off this existential threat to all of us. If what you’re saying is true, then secession is clearly our only hope. I mean, the Republicans in power know far more about what’s going on than you do, right? So why are they allowing Biden to take power and kill us all?

Or….maybe you should accept that you’re obviously not in good position to evaluate these ridiculous conspiracies and take solace that people better situated than yourself are clearly not taking them seriously.

Jonathan
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Jonathan

I’ve seen more remarks now (made while drinking at a bar), and he made silly jokes but also hateful comments that deserve condemnation. He resigned more for the hatefulness than for the jokes . It bears reflecting that Pastor Wilson says more hateful things about liberals on a regular basis.

The man was not one of PBS’s lead counsels or anyone who had a say in programming but just a guy who worked in the office. If there was a concentration camp plan for the Biden Administration, it’s hard to understand why they would let that random guy know.

Clay Crouch
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Clay Crouch

Atta girl, Anne! I rest my case.

JP Stewart
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JP Stewart

It’s the only thing he does yet the PBS guy got fired and the things he’s shown on FB employees, Antifa and other issues have certainly match up with what we know. Meanwhile, “respectable” sources like WaPo (Covington) and NPR do the actual lying and fake reporting to fit their worldviews.
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/leahbarkoukis/2020/06/22/npr-forced-to-correct-fake-news-headline-n2571061

Clay Crouch
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Clay Crouch

Anne is exhibit zed of conspiracy wackos. The rest of you know who you are.

ron
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ron

https://www.washingtonpost.com/video/politics/no-biden-did-not-brag-about-committing-voter-fraud/2020/11/04/dadb8616-3718-45a1-baeb-7c2fa50c7aa7_video.html In a nutshell, this is the “Didn’t happen like that” trick… D Wilson’s column says… “And this is being done in a such a way as that the double standards involved have been ramped up to a point where they CANNOT BE MISSED, kind of like those words that I just put in all caps. They are unmistakable. And this is how we find out who the cowards are. The cowards are those who will not say what everybody sees and knows. The purpose of the glaring double standards is therefore to humiliate, and the deploying of these double… Read more »

Kristina Zubic
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Kristina Zubic

Was there supposed to be a link to something with Steve’s letter? I want to know how feminism shot itself in the bare foot in the kitchen.

Beth More
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Beth More

I do too, Honey, I do too!

Zeph
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Zeph

Regarding tithing question: I take a lot of my tithe and go to Walmart and
buy things that my local crisis pregnancy center needs. baby clothes, diapers, strollers, in the
summer, fans.

Shawn Paterson
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Shawn Paterson

Malachi – regarding connecting online, there are a few groups on Facebook: “Singles of NAPARC,” “NAPARC Singles,” and “Reformed Harmony,” a new website called Dominion Dating, Sovereign Grace Singles, and I’m sure others. Can’t vouch for the members of these groups, although I believe the best one may be “Singles of NAPARC.”

drewnchick
Member

Thank you, sir!

Sara F
Guest
Sara F

I recommend the Fight Laugh Feast conferences! I went with my husband this past October and thought of what a great place it would be for eligible young women… the men outnumbered the women by a good bit!

Clay Crouch
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Clay Crouch

Doug Responds,

“Rob, thanks for the prayers. But you should at least budget for the possibility that you are not right, and have not been for a long time. And if you are not right, then did you not write this letter in order to proclaim your superiority over other Christians? But I thought that was bad.”

Douglas, if you thought claiming moral superiority to be bad, then why do you do it in many of your posts? There’s a word for that.

I’m grateful that Rob figured you out.

Jonathan
Guest
Jonathan

In case there is any doubt that extraordinary violence was intended and planned beforehand, this FBI report was just leaked: A day before rioters stormed Congress, an FBI office in Virginia issued an explicit warning that extremists were preparing to travel to Washington to commit violence and “war,” according to an internal document reviewed by The Washington Post that contradicts a senior official’s declaration the bureau had no intelligence indicating anyone at last week’s demonstrations in support of President Trump planned to do harm. A situational information report approved for release the day before the U.S. Capitol riot painted a… Read more »

Jonathan
Guest
Jonathan

The Joint Chiefs of Staff are so concerned about the violence that today they issued a letter to all American forces warning them not to participate in insurrection around the presidential transition.

That has to be unprecedented, right? At least in our lifetimes.

https://www.npr.org/sections/congress-electoral-college-tally-live-updates/2021/01/12/956170188/joint-chiefs-remind-u-s-forces-that-they-defend-the-constitution

Jonathan
Guest
Jonathan

Pastor Wilson today once again spreads election conspiracies, Covid conspiracies, minimizes the riots, and blames the left.

No “maybe I shouldn’t have spread dozens of falsehoods about the election.”

No “maybe I shouldn’t have falsely kept telling people Trump still had a chance 2 months after the election was over.”

No “maybe I shouldn’t have said an evil and illigitimate government was about to take power.”

Apparently the worst thing Trump did was appear effeminate.

Jonathan
Guest
Jonathan

Once again Pastor Wilson, I ask that you take the example of Senators Ben Sasse and Tom Cotton, who are deeply religious, extremely conservative, very intelligent, and far far more informed than you. They speak out against this misinformation and false hopes. Why do you keep insisting to know more about elections and government than they do?

Clay Crouch
Guest
Clay Crouch

Why does he keep insisting to know more about the elections and government than do Sasse and Cotton and a myriad of others?

Pick any two:
Lust
Gluttony
Greed
Sloth
Wrath
Envy
Pride

Jonathan
Guest
Jonathan

GOP Congresswoman Beutler on why she is voting to impeach President Trump. She has voted in line with President Trump 90% of the time and voted against impeachment the first time.

“The President of the United States incited a riot aiming to halt the peaceful transfer of power from one administration to the next. The riot led to five deaths….The violent mob bludgeoned to death a Capitol police officer as they defaced symbols of our freedom. These terrorists roamed the Capitol, hunting the Vice President and Speaker of the House…

https://twitter.com/HerreraBeutler/status/1349211904644952064