Those Little Orange Jobs
My wife forwarded your article today. I thought you were correct in your assessments. Although, when you asked rhetorically if anyone could name an institution which is trusted across the political spectrum and the predicted answer was “no” I think you might have missed one — the military. I am very concerned about how we might be used in whatever turmoil awaits us. I can hardly conceive of all of the problems which would arise if we are used to displace even some of the most corrupt civil authorities (I.e. post war reconstruction, but worse). Thanks for the work you’re doing. Please do not stop calling us to repentance.
David
David, yes, you are right. I missed that one.
Little Orange GMO Seedless Jobs:
Thanks for writing this piece, Doug. While you said you were likely to anger everyone on this one, I actually appreciated it deeply. Admittedly, I’m writing in from Canada, your slow spiraling leftist neighbours, so I am not as personally invested in the situation in the US. However, just as I was starting to feel hopeless about the downward trend of our nations (US and Canada both) you brought home that desperately needed call to repentance alongside the immeasurable promise of our great Deliverer. You’ve been a sane voice in this crazy past 10 months. For the all the hate mail that I assume you receive, I just wanted to say a word of thanks. God bless you, brother, and may our nations come to repentance sooner than later.
In Christ,
Rylan
Rylan, thanks. Please continue to pray.
Ref Little Orange . . . The flaw in your thesis starts with the initial premise: There is no electoral impasse and there will be no electoral impasse. For better or worse the election is decided and neither denial nor disorderly conduct in objection to the results will change that. Thankfully the conspiracy-theorist-in-chief doesn’t have the moxy to lead a full blown insurrection; he can’t even seem to mount a competent legal challenge. To be fair, a viable legal challenge would require actual evidence, that is the kind that would in fact be sufficient to send Murphy to jail for having perpetrated said voter fraud, — you know, the real kind.
Now at this point I wouldn’t blame you for saying “Yeah, yeah I get it already, you don’t like Trump!” Well, I don’t, but that has nothing to do with the facts of the case. If it helps, what *I* get is, the bad news is we got Biden for president. I know there are ways that will be bad. I don’t expect those ways will be unprecedented.
John
John, Stage 4 cancer is way worse than Stage 1 cancer. But Stage 4 cancer is not unprecedented.
I am writing in response to Little Orange Genetically Modified Seedless Jobs. I was with you until the last sentence where you said, “And I suspect that the country might be more ready for that than our evangelical sanhedrin is.” My initial inclination is to want to say “OK Boomer.” I have noticed with people in your age group the unwillingness to acknowledge how dire the situation is with our country. Look at the pop culture. Look at our institutions of learning. Look at our social media. Look at the church. Active unvarnished hatred for God and his word has permeated every facet of our culture. No one is ready to hear the truth. I am not saying it is impossible for God to supernaturally work repentance in the hearts of the people in our country. I am saying there are no signs that any significant group in our society is in anyway interested in hearing the truth. For generations, our country has been sowing the wind. Unless God performs a miracle, prepare to reap the whirlwind. May God be merciful.
John
John, my point was not that the country is ready to repent. My point was that they are more ready to repent than our evangelical sanhedrin is willing to preach repentance to them. I didn’t think of that as a whitewash point — it was a pretty gloomy one.
On “Little Orange Genetically Modified Seedless Jobs.” Great article. I think a 4th option, the one with best chances of sustaining the republic, would be if Biden concedes. However unlikely that may be, I think it’s orders of magnitude more likely than a Trump concession, and therefore cannot be discounted. I am not sure what would bring about a Biden concession, but I would imagine some combination of Biden’s laptop, Weiner’s laptop, and whoever else’s laptops we are unaware of could provide the right pressure points for someone like Trump, who has years of consistency saying that the news is fake (it is), the FBI and others are corrupt (they are), and the elections are rigged (they are). Add to that his extreme penchant for revenge and the whole 4-d chess stuff.
Richard
Richard, if Trump goes, I am very interested to see what he does going out the door. In some ways he will be more hampered by his lame duck status, and other ways less hampered.
Re: Little Orange Genetically Modified Seedless Jobs All three outcomes are possible, but is it not more likely that we will see a repeat of our historical pattern? To wit:
1) left does something outrageous.
2) right pitches a fit.
3) left wins resultant power struggle.
4) right fragments into collaborators, resigned grumblers, and marginalized-and-then-stamped-out resistance.
5) country continues in a manner more resembling Europe’s (current) state of decomposition.
Or would you expect your options 2 and 3 to essentially be this pattern, with a very large value of “fit”?
Keith
Keith, yes, it could be #2 and #3, with variations on the theme. All options are a downward spiral apart from reformation and revival.
A Postmill Question to Cheer Everybody Up
Recently, I have been in pursuit to understand postmillennialism. I have read, When the Man Comes around and Heaven Misplaced. Many things that didn’t jive for me from my premil background, make more sense. The one thing I’d ask you to elaborate on is the present state of Satan and his influence on life now. Are the evils of this age all due to sinful hearts and not a “spiritual war” taking place? Are we to put on the armor of God to combat our biggest enemy, ourselves. Understanding this would be helpful. I have tried to Google preterist views on Satan but am still left somewhat confused. Your help is most appreciated. Thank you.
Kelly
Kelly, I believe that Satan is currently bound with regard to being able to deceive the nations. In other words, in the new covenant era, it is not possible for him to arrange another Babylon, or Persia, or Rome. All such attempts come crashing down.
And Now Baptism
I am today asking you a question about baptism. Perhaps this will be a break from all the talk of our culture and whatnot.
I have been studying baptism and communion quite extensively lately. I recently went over an article by Dr. Peter Leithart where he states that he believes baptism justifies us. I see a difference between the view I’ve seen you (and Pastor Sumpter) advocate, which is the Westminsterian view. Baptism is a means of salvation for those who have a living evangelical faith (children and adults). In the article by Dr. Leithart, he uses Romans 6 to demonstrate that he believes Paul is stating that being baptized in Christ’s death is justifying. Hence, you can be baptized and justified, but still apostatize. I believe he presents this view in his book, “The Baptized Body,” which you read and listed as outstanding. Do you agree with his view? I believe you don’t, and so if I am right, why do you disagree? Thank you kindly brother.
In Christ,
WD
WD, you are right that I hold to the Westminsterian view. When I read The Baptized Body, I thought at the time it could harmonize with what I believe, but subsequent developments have shown this to not be the case. The problem with Peter’s approach is that it includes too much. If it is possible to be baptized and justified, and then still apostatize, it is also possible to be baptized and justified, and be a false brother. But that means the false brother is simultaneously justified and unjustified.
On Ecochondriacs
Okay . . . I’ve got to know. How many chapters does Ecochondriacs have? And are they all introductions of new characters?
I’m invested in Helen’s story and need to know what happens.
Randi
Randi, I have pretty much introduced all the main characters now.
Scorn Proof
I appreciated this post, as I believe a “scorn proof” character could be a good description of what my parents sought to instill in me as a child. It seems that Christian martyrs would fit this description to a tee.
I realize I may be asking you to qualify during NQN, but I do wonder about the humility aspect of it. My desire is to say, with Luther (fictitious or not), “Here I stand, I can do no other”– as scorn proof a saying as ever there was — but also understand that he spent the whole evening prior debating with himself if he was alone wise. Luther approached the situation with humility, but was ultimately scorn proof. Is there room for being humble and scorn proof and, if so, how does one balance the two?
Perhaps you will recommend devoting a just one month each year to providing no qualifications?
GJ
GJ, Luther laid out his principles of authority — plain reason and the Word of God. In other words, we could see his rebellion and his submission in the same moment.
We can only pray that God uses cancel culture backlash and godly dads to raise up scorn-proof men.
Clayton
Clayton, amen.
Scorn proof:
Perfectly stated, and I agree 100%. So . . . how can I square being so deserving of scorn with the fact that the scorners write my paycheck? How do I provide for my family in tangible ways if I have been fired because I walking off the beaten path? This is an immeasurably fine line to toe, and one that provides no end of hand-wringing. When I speak out, I get hauled in the HR Manager’s office. When I don’t speak out, I am (or feel) guilty of being too respectable.
If I were self-employed (or a pastor)–I imagine–it would be far easier for me to say what should be spoken, to exercise boldness and give voice to the Truth. But I ain’t, and the companies I have worked for have chastised me each time I venture into forbidden waters, stirring as I go.
Help a brother out, Pastor. I LOVE your clarion call. I desire to echo you with equal vim and vigor. I also don’t want to lose my job, my income, and my ability to provide for my wife and kids . . . which I think God has also said is my primary calling.
Am I seeking “respectability” when I refrain from having a career-ending moment?
Malachi
Malachi, I think that someone in your position should have the entirety of your position “on the altar.” Ask God to provide direction through clarity. Wake up every morning with a willingness to blow it all up if it becomes clear that this is what you must do. That doesn’t mean that you must force it, that you must create the incident, but it means that when the incident arrives, you are ready for it.
I’ve started reading your Blog this Fall, and I must say it is rapidly becoming one of the best parts of my day. I especially enjoyed ‘Scorn Proof’ — it encouraged me and strengthened me in my current struggle with our elder board. Thank you for your good example in this area. May you finish your days without a good reputation (among men)!
Wait, did I just ruin everything by praising you? Sorry. :)
Tim
Tim, we will let it go. Just this once.
How Elastic a Principle?
I have been watching some of your comments about Roman Catholicism. One of the points you bring up is that since the classical Protestant position is true that we are truly justified by sheer, unadulterated grace then Roman Catholics who have faith in Jesus can be saved. Even those who have a false understanding of justification can be saved because we are not saved for our “mental works” or understanding of doctrine. I was wondering how this principle applies across all Christian denominations. Are there such denominations or belief systems where their doctrinal understanding is so false that it overrides their justifying faith in Jesus? For instance, prosperity church movements, charismatic movements, Mormonism/Jehovah’s Witness (obviously these examples are a different Jesus than in the Bible but still for discussion sake), and others. Sometimes I feel like since we are justified by grace through faith and so other denominations outside of classical Protestantism can be saved, I want to throw my hands up and say, “Then what’s the point of theology at all?”. If Roman Catholics can still be saved what is the point of the Reformation? I hope these questions make sense. Thank you
Will
Will, the question makes perfect sense. What you are asking about is signal v. noise. God can save anybody anywhere, but His ordinary means for doing so is through the Word. When the Word is corrupted, it makes it more difficult for the signal to get through. That is why theology matters. A man who has the message straight, and who preaches it in power, is going to be far more effective.
Rushdoony
I stumbled across this article yesterday and was surprised both by the content and the fact that I had seen anybody comment on it in the past two weeks since it was released. Honestly, it seemed like the kind of thing that in non-NQN months you might take up as a mini-debate on your blog. Here’s the link: Book Review: Law and Liberty, by R.J. Rushdoony (by Kevin DeYoung)
With all of the controversy this year regarding unjust laws and lawmakers, and the back and forth between the Crosspolitic guys and 9Marks, not to mention the barbs you often toss at “Big Eva”, I don’t think it is a coincidence that they would choose to review THAT book by THAT author at THIS particular moment.
I like DeYoung quite a bit, and even got to meet him once at the CROSS missions conference two years ago, so I was a bit sad to see he’d been chosen to do this review. He makes some decent points, but the end of the review in particular seems to show what the main point of the whole effort was supposed to be. In case you don’t have time to read the whole thing, here are the final two paragraphs:
CONCLUSION
For all the appropriate warnings that can be found in Rushdoony, taken as a whole the good does not outweigh the bad. I don’t say this because there’s necessarily more that’s false than what’s true in Law and Liberty. I say this because what’s good can be found elsewhere, while what’s unique to Rushdoony (and later reconstructionists) is what’s most troubling.
For one to benefit from the appropriate complaints and warnings in Rushdoony, you have to look past hyperbolic rhetoric, uncharitable polemics, dubious scholarship, and an internal logic which leads one to theonomic conclusions out of step with the New Testament’s relative disinterest in full-blown political theory. As Rushdoony and his followers continue to exert influence in conservative Reformed circles, I hope those intrigued or convinced by reconstructionism will make an effort to read other Christian political works from non-theonomic sources and test Rushdoony’s conclusions against the Scriptures and the rest of the Reformed tradition.
Eugene
Eugene, while there is plenty to disagree with in Rushdoony, I have to differ with one key point there. I have found valuable stuff in Rushdoony that is not to be found elsewhere — unless you find it in people who learned it from Rushdoony.
Family Matters
I wish I had time to say this with fewer words, but I just want to add – A few years ago, I was trying my very best to be a Christian mother, and the usual women’s “studies” were clearly not helping.
I wondered whether the author of that one parenting book that had ever really told me anything life-giving was putting anything else out there. I found your daughters’ podcast. Listening, I knew I wanted to be fed with whatever gave them the kind of joy I was hearing. It turned out to be the gospel like I had never seen it before, not during an evangelical upbringing and not in four years of Bible college, “neither.”
At this point, I don’t know that I’m a shining example of anything in particular, but I do want to certify to other readers: “women’s ministry” was consolation, yes, but very poor. Like the flesh pots of Egypt, maybe. Let’s just say one place my daughters and I won’t be going back there.
I suppose bringing women out from there does sound like a “please send someone else” job.
Amanda
Amanda, thanks for the kind words, and God bless.
All Israel
I was just wondering your approach to Romans 11:26? Seems many great men of faith have disagreed on what it means for all of Israel to be saved.
Evan
Evan, I believe that the disobedience of the Jews was a glorious opportunity for the Gentiles, who flooded into the church. And if their disobedience was such a blessing to us, what will their coming conversion be but life from the dead? So then, when the Jews are grafted back into the olive tree, it will kick off a massive revival, Jew and Gentile alike will flood into the church, and all Israel will be saved.
The New App
Let me start by saying I’m loving the new app. However, similar to how election results are counted in certain precincts, I’m starting to feel that this app is slightly skewed to the auditory populace. Any chance we can go back and find a few memory cards that were haphazardly tossed aside and include the text versions of your books in the app as well? I know the other half of the populace that leans more towards visual learning would gladly don our Make Apps Great Again caps and appreciate the sentiment immensely if you could make that happen. Thanks!
James
James, I don’t know any of these details. But for you and others with queries and questions about the app, you can send them into app@canonpress.org.
“Announcing the Canon App. It has been approved by Apple, and is now available in the App Store. It is also available in the GooglePlay store. The app will be available on iPhone, Android, and AppleTV. At some time in the near future, it will appear on FireTV, AndroidTV, and Roku.”
Grateful for the app. But it sounds like you’re still at the mercy of our Big Tech overlords who will decide if your app gets approved and remains approved once the thought police are informed of your attempts to circumvent the censors.
Perhaps it would have been prudent to invest your technology budget into a large flock of homing pigeons who have yet to be corrupted by the Ministry of Truth.
JD
JD, your point is not lost on us. But this app crosses many platforms, and we think we have multiplied the number of choke points.
Come On Over
I’ve seen rumblings of rural/conservative Oregon seceding from the militantly liberal portions and joining Idaho. This seems like a good idea to me for a few reasons:
It would seem to set a good precedent for freedom.
It would starve the leeches in those socialist/communist enclaves of blood.
It would increase the political clout of the more sane elements of the country by creating an increased electoral power that would presumably be reliably conservative on the important matters (in the short term, anyway) while removing the same electoral power from Oregon –> new Idaho = Texas of the North.
Seeing as this is still November, any chance you’d take up this topic in an unvarnished way? Am I missing anything? Does this sort of thing have a snowball’s chance of actually happening?
Thanks,
IK
IK, in my view unlikely, but not impossible. But a lot of other things would have to start falling apart first. We have heard the same sort of rumbles for years about eastern Washington also.
Bloomington and Moscow
In September, you responded to the brouhaha between Moscow and Bloomington regarding Leaving a Church Over Masks. In that blog and following plodcast, you stated that you did not believe that wearing a mask to board a plane, get into Target, go to the doctor, or get a haircut, was sin (I believe you called it adiaphora). Is this still your position, or do you believe it to be sin now? Recent NQN posts seemed to possibly indicate so. I’m seeing fellow Christians taking the belief that wearing a mask at all is sin so far that they’re refusing to get needed, potentially life or death medical care, because they would have to wear a mask. Where is the line between the sin of a mask and recklessness/foolishness? Speaking of Warhorn, a podcast or CrossPolitic with those brothers discussing your differences would be awesome
Anne Nonnymoose
Anne, that’s not your real name, is it? I believe that wearing a mask is extremely tedious, and I avoid it as much as I possibly can, but it remains adiaphora. When I need to, I do. A conversation with our friends in Bloomington would be fine with me, but I think it might be wise to let more of the situation pass first.
Vast Reservoirs
Concerning the post “These Vast Reservoirs of Guilt.” “Make no mistake, there is a true scandal here. Can a rapist be forgiven? Yes. A murderer? Yes. A racial bigot? Yes. A white supremacist? Yes. A black thug? Yes. An abortionist? Yes. A thief? Yes. A race hustler? Yes. Freely and totally and entirely forgiven, all of them. Like it never happened.”
Amen! Brother, let me just say thank you for preaching the gospel of Jesus Christ. This is what we need. Though it is a stumbling-block to the Jews, and folly to the Greeks (and it utterly disarms the guilt-manipulators of this world), the pure unadulterated gospel is truly the only hope for this broken, guilt-ridden world. In a cultural climate of severe compromise among evangelical leaders, you are a lone voice in the wilderness–one who brings the minority report, like Joshua and Caleb amidst a nation of cowards. I personally believe that the gift of prophecy ceased with the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD (that’s how I understand the vision and prophecy being “sealed up” in Daniel 9:24), nevertheless the Holy Spirit who moved the apostles and prophets of old, is still the same Holy Spirit who works in us and speaks through preachers of his word today. Whenever I listen to you, I feel like I’m listening to Isaiah or Jeremiah. You stand as a modern-day prophet amidst a dried-up bone-yard of ear-tickling, culture-pandering preachers who simply tell people what they want to hear. Keep preaching the truth, brother!
Joshua
Joshua, thank you kindly. And please pray that I keep coming back to the message of the Word, every chance I get.
Pastor Wilson, your claims that Biden getting 10 million more votes than Obama implies voter fraud made little sense. I would think you would know that: A. Our population has increased. There are around 20-30 million more registered voters in 2020 than in 2008, and most of them are young or minorities (i.e. predominantly Democrats). B. Instituting widespread early voting and vote-by-mail will always result in large increases in turnout. You give people more chances to vote, and more of them will end up voting. That’s obvious. Since you didn’t post any evidence of voter fraud, your entire argument for… Read more »
Compare Obama’s turnout in 2008 with 2012.
You do realize that has no value at all in proving your claims, right?
Also, you claimed that Biden didn’t campaign hard. Again, that’s false. Biden didn’t do many personal events for obvious reasons – he is low-energy (to put it mildly) and such was likely beyond him, not to mention he’s not that big a draw anyway. Most Biden voters were voting out of hatred for Trump, not love of Biden. In that sense coronavirus helped Biden as it gave him a useful excuse not to engage in that which wouldn’t have made much impact anyway. But Biden certainly campaigned very hard in means other than personal events. The Democrat’s voter registration and… Read more »
“Also, you claimed that Biden didn’t campaign hard. Again, that’s false. ”
This is a subjective, rather than objective assessment, as there is no objective criteria for what qualifies as “hard campaigning”. So you can’t criticize Doug here on a “true/false” paradigm. He could simply be operating under a slightly different definition than you are.
But Pastor Wilson achieved an objective conclusion from his subjective assessment – he claims that Biden’s campaign style indicates that he “knew” the fix was in and didn’t have to try. That is, objectively, a ridiculous claim. Again, look at the dollar totals above – the Biden campaign expended enormous material and personnel resources into the campaign, moreso in fact than the Trump campaign did.
“But Pastor Wilson achieved an objective conclusion from his subjective assessment” His assessment wasn’t subjective. It was ambiguous and speculative. The subjectivity of the term “hard” is only relevant for your attempt at correction, not for his point. If he simply clarified, as indeed he may have if you gave the courtesy of asking him to clarify rather than pouncing at a perceived mistake, that he meant that Biden wasn’t personally involving himself in the campaign aggressively in a physical sense, then it is clearly *not* a subjective assessment. The only difficulty is you made an assumption, based upon nothing,… Read more »
Jonathan, Biden’s campaign was a textbook example of elder abuse. Yes, Virginia — Elder Abuse! with capitals and exclamations. When his own wife rolled her eyes during one of his Basement Fireside Chats, it was obvious that the DNC was abusing Joe with every puppet string they pulled.
Don’t forget his famous quotes concerning the fact that he didn’t need to campaign as the election was in the bag and that our votes were not needed.
Votes? We don’t need no stinking votes.
The biggest issue is that the counting was stopped for several hours while Trump was winning the last states, then when it resumed, Trump was losing. When have you ever seen election counting stopped?
That did not happen.
Yeah it did. I watched all night. For hours the numbers stopped being updated. That has never happened. Especially Michigan, Pennsylvania and I’m blanking on the third state, but yeah, it did happen and millions of people saw it.
Should we believe our lying eyes and the statistical time line of votes or should we believe Jonathan?
If your “lying eyes” witnessed this on national television, then there will be video evidence for the entire world to see. So just post the video that shows where counting stopped for several hours and then Biden was inexplicably ahead when counting started again. This reminds me of when you swore up and down that you had seen Clinton announce the “cattle guards” policy on national TV, without realizing that the cattle guards joke is an urban legend that has been around for decades. And proceeded to defend your claim for months even after I showed you it was an… Read more »
Did you really just insist that someone post a video of something not happening?
Incredulously, yes. I’m also surprised anyone would mention the name “Clinton.” Hillary did something that would’ve landed me in jail in a heartbeat back when I handled classified info.
Anyone allowing you to handle classified info should be in jail. Or a mental institute.
Clay, you can use your real name, or the fake name you usually go by on here…whichever. Conservatives aren’t into doxing, so don’t worry if someone has the misfortune of knowing you in person.
Mr. Stewart,
Jail? Not hardly. Jail would have been the appetizer.
If you had perpetrated the equivalent of HRC, you would have been convicted by Court Martial with stacked charges for each violation, sentenced by the convening authority to prison (Leavenworth et al) with consecutive terms (not concurrent), and if you lived long enough to complete your incarceration, you would then have your commission revoked.
Good preaching, Jane!
Please stop lying about me, troll.
No Jane, no one has insisted that someone post a video of something not happening. Dave and Zeph both said they “saw” this on national TV, and literally everything is recorded nowadays, so if there was any horrible issue with numbers being changed while counting was stopped, and it was supposedly visible on television, then there’d be hundreds of people posting the video online. They said they saw a timeline of vote totals that indicates something terrible happening, so lets see it. Zeph claims this was the biggest issue with the election. And he claims that all the information he… Read more »
Not sure that was the answer she was looking for.
Jonathan, the urban joke did in fact happen and no matter how many times you want to fact check it, the truth stands. While standing in the Rose Garden, Clinton did say that he was reducing the number of cattle guards in the Western United States. Clinton wasn’t joking. In fact, C-Span immediately cut away from the broadcast and started playing a prerecorded show. You cast dispersion on the truth because the truth pokes holes in your belief system. I prefer to look at printed materials that are freely available on the web. That doesn’t make them true, but when… Read more »
Never argue with an idiot; onlookers can’t tell the difference.
Dave, if Clinton’s cattle guard press announcement had happened on national TV then conservative writers and talk show hosts would have had a field day mocking Clinton. And video would exist. Yet there is nothing. You can’t just claim that things happened on national TV and yet you were the only one who saw them.
New York Post 11/3/2020 10:38 pm
“Philadelphia stops counting mail-in ballots for the night”
By Laura Italiano
J’, exercises in humility, like apologising, will help you to grow up big and strong, at least in the social sense! Give it a try! 😏
adad0, that wasn’t Zeph’s claim. The claim was that they stopped counting and the totals were different when they resumed counting. Of course they took breaks – and the totals were exactly the same after the break as they were before the break.
Note that Zeph’s starting claim was “That has never happened.” If you think he was referring to something as routine as stopping counting for the night, something that literally happens in some states in every election every year, then why wouldn’t you take issue with his statement and correct him? Why even respond to me?
Why respond to you?
Because you are often in need of a prevarication / equivocation
“exfoliation”.
😏
And frankly, you could use more alliteration
In your disputation.
Kelly had a great question about Satan’s role in the present, but I didn’t understand your answer. Communist China, Nazi Germany, & the USSR were all certainly as bad as the ancient civilization you mentioned. Do you have a video on the subject that you could point us to?
I agree Kelly had a good question and Doug’s answer was not satisfactory. I thought of all the examples you mentioned and more, including the Aztecs, Mayans, and Comanche. I happen to subscribe to postmillennialism btw. I don’t have a good answer for the question.
Not to mention that scripture tells us explicitly that Babylon and Persia were arranged by God, and implies as much about Rome.
I’m not a postmillenialst myself, but the postmillenialist understanding of Satan’s binding that Doug expressed sounds at least plausible to me, in a way. I don’t think it has particularly to do with empires though. What do postmillenialists make of Revelation 20: 7-8?
Corrie ten Boom had an interesting observation: The Devil wants you to believe one of two things: that he has far more power than he does or that he is not here at all.
If Satan is bound regarding influencing nations, does that mean that he is not bound regarding influencing saints. How do we square 1 Corinthians 5:5 regarding Church discipline of immoral Christians by turning them over to Satan so that the flesh may be buffeted while the spirit is saved ? Strongs 4567 is defined as “the devil”, “the accuser”.
I have no doubt the devil can influence individuals, and that includes Christians, else why the admonitions “resist the devil”, “do not give the devil a foothold”?
One suggested explanation for Revelation 20: 1-3 is that the devil is bound in the sense of not being able to impede the gospel or prevent the nations from believing.
It would be hard to make a case, either from scripture or from observation, that the devil no longer has any earthly influence whatsoever.
I believe he was referring to a virtually world-controlling pagan nation.
Now it all makes sense. The babylonians, who didn’t even control all of the Middle East, were a virtual world controlling pagan nation. But now islam, which controls most of the Middle East, parts of the Far East, and much of Africa, is less problematic than when Satan had power to deceive the nations. The distinction you attempted doesn’t really solve any problems with the assertion.
Jsm, Given your first sentence it took me re-reading the rest to see what you are getting at, but if I understand you, I agree. In response one could make the point that Islam in not currently a unified empire. But then, there have been in the New Covenant era Muslim empires up to and including the Ottomans, all controlling the Middle East, and then some. If the focus of Revelation 20 is global rather than only on the geography original readers would have known then there have been AD many other pagan empires that qualify as much as Babylon… Read more »
“trusted across the political spectrum” is a very broad “across” Speaking as a honorably discharged veteran with service in VN, I could extend a fair amount of trust to a broader base of the enlisted and Company-grade, a limited number of Field-grade, and a smaller select group of General grade officers. Stanley McChrystal, the former commander of Joint Special Operations, assisted the D political campaign in using military developed information operations designed for counter-insurgency. James Mattis just opined “In January, when Biden & his national security team begin to reevaluate US foreign policy, we hope they will quickly revise the… Read more »
I’m a veteran (former officer) as well and you’re spot-on. The best commanders I had never put on a star. The few generals with a spine (like Flynn) get treated badly, too. Speaking of the military (at least former GIs) and election fraud, here’s a timely bit of history that’s conveniently forgotten.
https://thewashingtonstandard.com/a-1946-history-lesson-on-election-fraud-in-tennessee/
In response to Anne Nonnymoose’s letter regarding mask wearing, Pastor Wilson claimed it to be adiaphora (matters neither commanded or forbidden by the Word). Pair that with this sentence from blog post “Little Orange Genetically Modified Seedless Jobs” “The Baalim served by modern evangelicalism are the gods of neutrality and nice, and our flaccid Ashtaroth pillars are of course erected in the name of our soft complementarianism. ” Squaring these two thoughts is difficult. Masks are not neutral. They’re false. (tinyurl.com/y6z5bwgx) Furthermore, they’re bearing false witness to our family, neighbors and community. Each of the governors decreeing the medical efficacy… Read more »
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Ron, I’d love to listen to you explain that to a front line healthcare worker after an eighteen hour shift spent tending to the COVID sick and dying. Better yet, try that out on one the family members of the 250,000+ dead or countless others who survived with lifelong debilitating conditions. You bare a false witness of our Heavenly Father.
Clay, you’ve never answered the question “Are you a Christian?” Neither have you answered the question “Why do you hate Wilson so much?
Since it’s obvious you know how to type, why don’t you give us a few answers instead of falsely calling others liars.
Oh, by the way, those of us who understand measurements or studied biology along with chemical and biological warfare will be happy to explain things to front line nurses who don’t understand the basics of virology.
The first basic you don’t understand is that significant numbers of viruses are not flying independently through the air. They are concentrated on droplets and mists, the sort of things that spray out of your mouth when you cough and sneeze (and even breathe), the sort of things that are largely stopped by masks.
Gentle readers, Jonathan misses the mark. If droplets and mists were so dangerous and could be stopped by a paper mask or a handkerchief, we could save oodles and oodles of tax payer money by using them in our infectious disease labs instead of high priced, whole face masks with extreme filtering. And I’m sure that the moon suits could be replaced by jeans and tie died T-shirts. Just think of the savings.
I understand that SARS CoV-2 is not spread by individuals spewed out droplets or mists when they are not exhibiting symptoms. That is a basic in virology.
In fact, the vast majority of scientific researchers and health care workers both do not wear “moon suits” in order to reduce risk of exposure to viral diseases. And when doctors and nurses work with immunodeficient patients, they don’t wear “moon suits” to protect them. Nearly all of the time they wear simple masks.
Gentle readers, again Jonathan misses the mark and the humor of the situation. “The first basic you don’t understand is that significant numbers of viruses are not flying independently through the air.” Johnathan at 233942 This is mostly correct for the SARS CoV-2 virus which is commonly referred to as Covid-19. Studies verified that the airborne virus particles are not sufficient to get us sick. The particles are so small that they go right through N95 masks not to mention old bandanas. A healthy individual must have extended, close contact with an individual exhibiting symptoms to get sick from this… Read more »
That was an exceedingly strange reply Dave. You admit that free-flowing viral particles are not the main transmitter of infection, appear to imply that you are aware that larger droplets and such (the kind that are largely inhibited by masks) ARE what spread infection, and then pretend you still don’t understand why masks are effective. Why are “healthy” people asked to wear masks? Because passing through two masks is even tougher than passing through just one, and because a large % of the population doesn’t know or won’t admit when they first become sick. Asking why healthy individuals should wear… Read more »
Jonathan swings and it’s a miss! Strikeout for Jonathan. The rest of us are enjoying Thanksgiving — yea, even celebrating with grandma, who by the way should drop dead right after finishing the pumpkin pie and leaving the table — we will have a great time as God intended. That’s because this virus only attacks if someone is walking to or from a dining table and not while eating at the table. Now, we know if you are outside after curfew, the boogeyman virus attacks with even more accuracy. That is unless you are a politician going to party with… Read more »
Dave,
Still waiting for educational credentials.
Dave, I am Christian. I have stated so on this blog on at least one occasion.
Since you mentioned having some experience in the medical field, are you a physician or a nurse? Have you worked in a hospital? How about sharing with us your full educational credentials. MD? PhD? Are you currently practicing medicine or working in the field of medical research?
Clay, thank you for answering one question.
Why do you hate Wilson so much?
Dave,
Your second question is not an honest one. Had you asked me if I hated Mr. Wilson, that would have warranted an answer.
Now, how about you answering my questions regarding your claim to have some expertise in virology.
Clay, my question is serious and honest. Your posts overflow with great invective and hate.
Do you hate Wilson?
Dave,
I do not hate Mr. Wilson. I find his beliefs and behavior repugnant. There’s a difference, look it up.
I’m curious why you won’t share your education credentials. You did offer to educate front line healthcare workers.
Clay,
Not to change the subject but:
“I do not hate Mr. Wilson. I find his beliefs and behavior repugnant. There’s a difference, look it up.”
What you say about Wilson is pretty much what I would say about
homosexuals and the like. Is it reasonable for me to give the same answer your gave?
It certainly is easier to evangelize people when you abhor them. That’s the technique my good friend JP Steward employs – with astounding success.
John M,
Are you talking about all homosexuals or just the those folks you know? What is basis for your dislike of people who are homosexual? Are the performing homosexual acts in front of you? Are trying to convince to join in? Do you think all homosexuals are without morals, or faith, or good character? Do you think they have less rights as citizens than you simply because of their sexual orientation?
“What is basis for your dislike of people who are homosexual?”
To use your own standard, your question is not an honest one. You merely substituted “dislike” for “hate”. As it happens, I have met homosexuals who are fairly likable in terms of personality.
JohnM,
You asked me, “ Is it reasonable for me to give the same answer your gave?”
You are equating my dislike for one individual based solely on his public positions and behavior with your dislike of all homosexuals. If you can’t see the difference, then you’re wasting my time.
I can understand why you don’t want to truthfully answer my questions.
JohnM,
One other point.
I base my dislike for Wilson based on what I have read here and his public behavior, not because of what he does or doesn’t do in the privacy of his bedroom.
“I base my dislike for Wilson….”.
See my point about substituting words, above, and be honest with yourself. When I was growing up we used to do the same thing as kids. We knew we were not supposed to *hate* anyone, and therefore should never say we did. So you would sometimes hear “I don’t *hate* him I just don’t like him!”
Your – dislike if you so please – of Wilson I think is based on his opinion, which he promulgates, OR there is something more personal, some situation to which you are closer. No?
JohnM,
If you don’t know the difference between the word dislike and the word hate, you need to go back to school.
You must live in a fun house of mirrors.
Either answer my questions or stop wasting my time.
From the tone of your response I suspect I’ve hit a nerve, though that wasn’t exactly my intention – I wasn’t trying to needle you.
As for wasting your time, nobody forces you to respond to me, or to post anything here at all.
JohnM,
For the last time, nothing more. I’ve never met the man. The closest I’ve been to Moscow, ID is Jackson Hole. I suggest you do your own poking around about his checkered relationship with his hometown and the truth.
I’m roughly the same age as Wilson, so I’ve seen his ilk before. So please give the “you hate Wilson” a rest.
Unless you’re willing to answer my questions about your dislike of homosexuals, this conversation is over.
Clay, You sure have a lot to say, all negative, about a man you’ve never met. Now is your “…dislike for one individual..” or is your dislike for “… his ilk…”? If you do not really have an ax to grind can you really not at all see how people get the impression that you do? I’ve never met Doug Wilson either. For my part, I agree with him at some points, and disagree at some points. I would commend some of the things he says, but criticize other things he says, and I think that is obvious to anyone… Read more »
Clay, some think that you are the same individual posting under several monikers. If that is true, you really hate Wilson and it is not a of repugnance on your part, but just hate. Are you the master of the other posters? My education on viral and bacterial actions started over 40 years ago. For Uncle Sam, I spent over 20 years studying chemical and biological warfare and what equipment and what actions were required to stay alive in a hostile environment. That was not my full time job, but there was plenty of time to study the weapons pointed… Read more »
Dave, JP Stewart has often claimed I am Clay, posting under a “fake” account. He makes the same claims of others as well, most recently someone named Beth More. I have informed him before this is not true. Clay and I are two different people. Nevertheless, JP Stewart persists in the falsehood; I can’t know with certainty why he does so but given his personality displayed here over the months, the notion he is a bald-faced liar is not too far-fetched. And then, of course, his penchant for hate is not to be overlooked either. And there is one more… Read more »
Patches, I don’t think I accused you of being disrespectful. If something went through that way, you have my apology.
I was trying to see who was who.
I have been posting as Clay Crouch only.
Dave,
That’s what I expected. Like Mr. Wilson, you hold no graduate or post graduate degrees in epidemiology. So you’ll understand if I choose to follow the guidelines suggested by preponderance of experts who do have the credentials in that field.
And a Happy Thanksgiving to you and yours.
Clay, I knew you would be dismissive since I don’t have DEGREES. While I don’t hold degrees in epidemiology, I did have the expertise to keep folks alive and in combat readiness in any chemical or biological arena. That is a great deal more than the epidemiologists with multiple degrees can do. While they may be good in the lab, they don’t have the ability to function in the world where we live. Since the 70s, project after project worked wonderfully in a lab, but completely failed in a real world environment. Masks don’t work to keep the general populace… Read more »
Dr. Dave,
https://bit.ly/3fQ1cmi
Look at those silly doctors treating a COVID-19 patient. Don’t they know those masks are useless? At least according to viral expert Dr. Dave, who has a high school degree in science.
Of course, this is probably a fake photo since it was in the NYT.
As it turns out, healthcare workers have a higher prevalence of COVID-19 than non-healthcare workers. Also, the “spikes” we’re seeing are happening after draconian mask mandates went into effect. If your flimsy cloth masks are so effective against a virus with a 99.98% survival rate, why are we seeing spikes? Why do healthcare workers get the coronadoom at a far higher rate than the general population? Why are we seeing mask-nazis, such as Gavin Newsom, Andrew Cuomo, Phil Murphy, Anthony Fauci, Jonathan Karl, and Kaitlan Collins, maskless out in public after loudly berating others for not masking up? And why… Read more »
Dave,
I’m a little surprised you eagerly snuggle up with the likes of JP Stewart and then in the next breath accuse anyone of “Your posts overflow with great invective and hate.”
Patches, my comment was directed at JP Stewart’s military duty. If he served for any length of time, he most likely observed immoral, illegal, unjustified or just plain crazy actions by senior officers, his peers and NCOs of all ranks. Not to mention participating in lawful activity that the news reported in a manner that was not even close to the truth or even a tiny portion of reality.
Clay’s posts have overflowed with hatred for a long time.
I hope that makes sense.
Happy Thanksgiving.
https://dougwils.com/books-and-culture/s7-engaging-the-culture/7-reasons-for-unmasking-the-masks.html
Seems more than adiaphora
I also remember this previous prediction by our host: So in my role as diabolical advisor, I would urge them to rank their desiderata in this way. 1. Close Biden loss; 2. Close Biden win; 3. Biden blowout; and bringing up the rear in the non desideratum category, 4. a Trump blowout. Either 1 or 2 gives them the excuse to do what they are itching to do, which is to launch the revolution, which is to say, taking it to the streets. Number 3 gives them a mandate. They don’t get the hot street war they wanted, but it… Read more »
Also, one last note of quite undeniable hypocrisy from our host: And, if they can, they will do everything in their power to represent any Americans who act in such a way as to prevent the stealing of the election as individuals who are trying to steal the election. Bush stole the election from Gore in Florida because Bush didn’t let Gore steal the election in Florida. Those of us who know our history (perhaps even lived through it) remember that the big “stealing” that Gore attempted was to have a recount in Florida, as only 537 votes separated the… Read more »
And one wonders when Pastor Wilson will ever argue that Trump is attempting to “steal the election” when his lawyers argue in court that millions of votes from legitimate voters in Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, and several other key states should be thrown out en masse.
If Biden or Gore had argued for entire classes of votes to be thrown away so that they could gain a winning margin, is there any doubt our host would accuse them of trying to steal the election?
https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/11/24/dane-county-voters-baffled-over-trump-effort-throw-out-ballots/6389463002/
Mr. Wilson has become somewhat of a gnostic as he compels his followers to partake of the secret knowledge he has divined from god knows where. Woe to the shepherds.
Hi Clay…15 seconds of Googling turned up the following: “In Wayne County, MI, 234 people have signed sworn affidavits testifying to what appears to be pervasive election fraud. The affidavits allege (among other things): 60% of one batch of absentee ballots had no signature as required by state and federal law. Yet these votes were counted anyway. 35 ballots have no record of ever registering to vote, yet those votes were also illegally counted. 50 ballots were run through counting machines multiple times, effectively counting each single ballot as multiple votes for the same candidate, potentially adding hundreds of false… Read more »
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One other argument I’ve heard is that there are a number of ballots that only voted for President. Seems odd to me, and I don’t have any frame of reference from past election information. Does anyone know if that’s a common thing?
Yes, “undervoting” is common and it happens every year. If you look at the election totals for different states, there are numerous cases from every election year where the presidential election receives many more votes in that state (on both sides) than the other state elections on the same ballot do. It makes sense – a lot of Americans are pretty uninformed and literally don’t even know who their senator is, and while most uninformed voters are still going to vote party line or randomly or whatever strikes their fancy, a certain % are going to fill in that one… Read more »
Stating that there are 234 affidavits isn’t very useful if those 234 affidavits testify to completely different things, most of which have nothing to do with fraud. Of the actual allegations of fraud you quote, most were made by a single person and appear to be inaccurate. For example, many of the 234 affidavits were signed by people who weren’t authorized as poll watchers, or who were attempting to enter the poll-counting when the # of poll watchers for both parties already exceeded the set limit, and their affidavit complains that they weren’t allowed to enter. They make no allegation… Read more »
So far as the specific fraud allegations, it looks like they’ve been addressed already: The 60 percent with the same signature, for example, was from an affidavit filed by Anne Vanker. The figure was her own estimate — of ballots from a pile she describes as being “flagged that they were not on any voter registration list and not in the poll book.” There’s no indication that the votes were counted; from her description it seems likely that they were not. The allegation that 35 ballots had no voter record is from an affidavit by Braden Gaicobazzi. He claims that… Read more »
Thanks Jonathan…that’s way more detail than I wanted to find, but I’m glad that someone has been following up on it. In today’s technological age (and based on all the silly YouTube videos my kids watch), it would be helpful to have a point/counter-point video covering the information. I expect that ultimately a filing must be made with a court, and a decision rendered…but how they got there is helpful. If you put yourself in the shoes of someone who swore something inappropriate was happening…doesn’t the “fine point” by the city of Detroit seem awfully condescending? ‘Where there’s smoke, there’s… Read more »
We should also be careful about our sources. Anyone trusting the Washington Post after the Covington kids incident or National Pravda Radio after this should probably have their head examined: https://thefederalist.com/2020/06/22/npr-falsely-calls-victim-of-attack-by-rioters-a-white-supremacist/ They’re clearly on the side of the enemy (pro-abortion, pro-LGBTQ/immorality, super soft on rioting/lawlessness) and we have no reason to expect them to be objective. It’s all about gaslighting and the narrative, and it’s grown exponentially more that way recently. Also, consider that those making affidavits and taking oaths have real skin in the game: jobs that can be lost, families and personal info subject to doxing (a favorite… Read more »
Why do you hate gays, JP? You never have answered that. You profess to be a Christian yet you hate people. How is that not a problem? Are you an elder in your church? You talk like you think you should rule the world.
It’s called self-loathing. A lot closeted, religious gay men suffer from it.
This will be my only answer to Clay (AKA “JP Patches,” “Beth More,” and various other aliases who talk to themselves….weird, I know). You’re even worse at psychology than you are at trolling, by the way. First, I never said I hated gays. That’s a lie and textbook loaded question fallacy. I’ve only spoken of the sin itself. It’s condemned throughout the Old and New Testaments and called an abomination. It’s taking God’s natural design and warping it. This is the kind of thing it leads to: https://linkstacknews.com/absolute-child-abuse-creepy-church-pushing-trans-identity-on-4-year-old-video/ It also leads to much uglier stuff I won’t go into detail… Read more »
JPS, You actually do hate gay folks when you would deny them their right to marry and to enjoy the same legal benefits you have as a practicing heterosexual citizen of the US. When you broad brush them with your accusations of evil behavior, which the vast majority of gay people abhor as well, you are showing your hate for them. It wouldn’t surprise me that you believe practicing homosexuals should be put to death. Why haven’t you condemned Mr. Wilson’s marrying a convicted heterosexual pedophile to a young woman? If you are honest, you would admit that you throw… Read more »
Clay,
Yes, I’m afraid it’s true. At some point, the obvious can no longer in good conscience be denied.
Jonathan is not a reliable counter-point and he enjoys muddying the water by stirring in huge amounts of verbage with sprinklings of stats to impress the reader. The problem is that he never agrees to facts that shoot down his arguments. If you point out that masks are not effective because the SARS CoV-2 virus particle is so small that it easily penetrates masks available to the public, Jonathan will reply with huge amounts of recent studies that support masks along with FACT CHECKERS debunking the virus particle size. He will not agree that Dr Fauci himself wrote extensively about… Read more »
No one has debunked the virus particle size, Dave. The part you have repeatedly been informed about but fail to understand is that viruses largely don’t infect people by flying through the air in free-flowing form, they travel on droplets and mists/aerosols that are sprayed from your mouth while you speak, sneeze, and cough. And these droplets and other particles that the viruses are traveling on and within are what are stopped by masks.
Readers, please see my response about Jonathan’s comments above at 233958.
Jonathan, you missed the FACT CHECKING on just that issue. Too bad.
Well said. There are myriad issues and anomalies with this election, with more coming out tonight. Without voter ID and paper ballots, all kind of things are possible and some are quite likely (ballot harvesting, dead people voting, non-citizens voting, ineligible votes by citizens no longer residing in the district, shady ballot canvassing procedures, etc.) This is especially true in big cities that have long histories of corruption in voting and just about everything else. Anyone trying to sweep this away by citing legacy journalism reports of “no fraud found” is either naive or is blinded by their narrative. We’ve… Read more »
This is one of the funniest allegations I’ve seen: While some conveniently label such things as “silly conspiracies,” a retired Air Force general (once the 3rd highest officer in that branch) predicted Trump would start strong then Biden would have a huge, late comeback. His video aired the night before the election. This was based on his familiarity with Dominion Systems Literally everyone with the slightest clue knew “Trump would start strong then Biden would have a huge late comeback” because mail-in votes were counted last and Democrats were telling all their people to vote by mail while Trump was… Read more »
Also, if the “retired Air Force general” you refer to is Thomas McInerney, then you’re not rolling with a joke of a source. McInerney retired from the military in 1994 and has been a frequent Fox News contributor since 2002. He is the same guy who claimed that the Iraq War would be over in less than 40 days and with fewer casualties than the first Gulf War. Who claimed that Saddam had his WMD’s transferred to Lebanon even as Bush’s own officials were dispelling the theory. Who argued that we should enact regime change war against Iran and North… Read more »
Hi John,
That wasn’t the “secret knowledge” I had in mind, since, well, it’s not a secret. I do appreciate you making the distinction between an allegation and truth. Not a lot of that happens in the realm of Mr. Wilson’s sycophants.
Jonathan, what are you even doing here?
Cause we need fact-checkers!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AmKPbYbAnKE&ab_channel=AwakenWithJP
Giving folk a chance. I’m originally from Moscow, I’m a deeply committed Christian who believes that every aspect of our lives should be driven by our Christian beliefs and commitments, I’ve read Wilson’s work for 15 years, and I have several friends who are affected by his words and actions. I do my best to speak to the truth and to push those actions which are most in line with obedience to the Kingdom of the God of Jesus Christ. So why shouldn’t I be here?
“As a follower of the God of Jesus Christ I absolutely care about the truth above all and many people here can affirm that I have conceded points and even made apologies in the past when the trust was not on my side.” Jonathan at 233938 “I do my best to speak to the truth and to push those actions which are most in line with obedience to the Kingdom of the God of Jesus Christ.” Jonathan at 233946 “You can’t just claim that things happened on national TV and yet you were the only one who saw them.” Jonathan… Read more »
Yep. Jonathan is a “deeply committed Christian” who goes into denial and doubles down every time he’s wrong. And he rarely misses a chance to side with mockers, slanderers, liars and those who call good “evil” and evil “good” (MSM, Hollywood, academia) rather than those trying to seriously follow Christ. Determining who’s really a Christian is way above my pay grade, but I’m reminded of sayings about ducks and quacking and wolves and sheep…not to mix too many animal metaphors.
JP, be sure to mix your turkey metaphor with those of the mashed potatoes and gravy!
Happy Thanksgiving.
JP, do you believe that Trump is a mocker, slanderer, and liar who has frequently called good “evil” and evil “good”? The rest of your false accusation against me is also a joke, but let’s just consider the entire nature of the attempt at a weak “guilt by association” argument. I have as little in common with most of the “MSM, Hollywood, academia” as you (I hope) have with Trump. I have spent my entire adult life seriously following Christ and in the company of others who do so. The woman I have married, the place I have chosen to… Read more »
Zeph said he and millions of others had watched all night and seen it happen. You replied directly to him, “Should we believe our lying eyes and the statistical timeline of votes or should we believe Jonathan?” If you were not affirming Zeph’s claim that you had watched it with your own eyes, then you have a weird way of saying it. But if you want to move the goalposts, feel free. Show me where in the “statistical timeline of votes” that the counting stopped for several hours and then Biden was suddenly ahead when it started again. As others… Read more »
Also Dave, trying to attack me for having once lived in Moscow, Idaho is downright weird. How does the fact that I’m originally from Moscow show that I don’t know anything about the world? You keep making attacks and insinuations out of ignorance.
I just must, and am surprised by Jill’s silence.
“disinterested” (probably coincidentally) appeared 4 times yesterday. It means “impartial” not “uninterested”
After Merriam-Webster recognized irregardless, I have stopped trying, called it a day, given in, surrendered, capitulated, lost heart, abandoned hope, and thrown in the towel. I have raised the white flag and laid down my arms. I have thrown down my cards and chucked in my hand. Nothing matters anymore.
Commas matter!
Don’t give up proper writing style.
But… some of us still need tutoring, and know it! Do not cast us to Merriam-Webster, I pray thee!
If you ever want to know an easy way to remember the shall/will distinction, I promise to leap into action.
So……if Merriam Webster has no regard for the regardless, I guess that would make them irrelevant in these regards. (?) 😏
Jonathan is a tar baby–he is not after the truth, will not concede your points, and will tie up your time unnecessarily.
Although, it gives me hope that the Left is worried if he has been assigned to interject here.
Ginny: 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
As a follower of the God of Jesus Christ I absolutely care about the truth above all and many people here can affirm that I have conceded points and even made apologies in the past when the trust was not on my side. And I don’t think personal insults or silly conspiracy claims contribute anything.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/pa-mailin-votes-ballots/
Now you’re spreading false information under the flag of White Supremacy! No real surprise on either count.