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5GW Stuff
Great write-up of 5GW.
I was struck a few years back by the insight that since both spiritual warfare and fifth generation warfare are a fight over truth, the Venn diagram overlap between spiritual warfare and military doctrine is significant, to say the least.Ian
Ian, yes. Thanks.

In re: nothing in particular
Maybe someone else has shared this thought; if so, my apologies.
Humans created machines that learn by digesting human language. Its results are biased, incomplete yet presented as fact, and often outright deceptive. Maybe it HAS achieved consciousness.John
John, worth considering . . .
Sermon Series on Athletics
I think I will like your series on Athletics. Here in Western PA, high school football is a great builder of Christian culture: the boys are the warriors and heroes, the girls are the cheerleaders, and everyone understands the roles.John
John, yes. But we also need to remember that there are complex preconditions to simpler times.
On Christian Athletics . . .
Been jockeying for position ever since I first heard this series was coming. Thank you for tackling the hard topic, refusing to let it remain sidelined. It’s heart-warming to see you step up to the plate with a series that sorely needs to be heard, and at a time when many Christians have thrown in the towel. You’ll get mixed reactions, of course. Some will think you’re coming out of left field or that the whole topic is out of bounds. Others won’t know what hit them. Still other will think you hit the mark–a real slam dunk.
Full-court press, I say! Now that the gun has fired, no need to punt. If some of your listeners are having trouble with the curve, maybe they can watch the game film on your video blog.
Finally, it should always be known that baseball is God’s favorite sport, because in the Big Inning he created the heavens and the earth…
All for now…Andy
Andy, the first thing to say would be “that is quite enough.” And the second would be to correct your last citation. It is “In the big inning, Eve stole first, Adam stole second, and Ruth went out to the field.”
Cremation?
My wife Linda and I follow most of your online content here in Hervey Bay, Queensland, Australia. We are interested to hear your take on whether Christians should be buried or cremated.
ThanksIan
Ian, I much prefer burial, but since there is no biblical prohibition of cremation I can’t insist on it. But burial is the custom followed in the Bible, and I believe it provides a wonderful opportunity to testify of our faith in the resurrection of the dead. Those who are cremated are also raised, of course, but it does not provide the same opportunity for testimony. And I believe that pagan unbelief gravitates toward cremation, as it provides a testimony to their faith in “and that’s it.”
The Constitution and Me
Hope you’re having a very blessed day, Mr. Wilson. I am currently listening to the YouTube video “Doug Wilson on NPR—Oh, How I Love the Constitution?” where Chris Hume critiques a statement you made to an NPR reporter. Hume claims that what you say concerning the U.S. Constitution’s structure is sacrilegious and you should’ve instead praised God’s law in the interview. He cites Psalm 119:46 as support, and he asks how the Constitution by itself combats abortion.
In light of this criticism, I would like you to clarify whether a particular claim Hume makes about your theology is accurate. At the 23:07 mark of the video, he says:
“I don’t think he can fathom or imagine the idea of God’s law in the Old Testament being the standard of justice because he has to he has to imagine it in the context of the constitutional structure . . . If what I find here in the Bible doesn’t fit with the US constitutional structure, in Doug Wilson’s mind, what he says is, ‘Okay, well then I’m not bringing that over because the way I judge the Bible is by the US Constitution.’ And it really should be the opposite. The way we judge the Constitution should be by the Bible.”
Is Hume misrepresenting you, and could you please write a concise response to his critique?
Sincerely, your young brother in Christ,Samuel
Samuel, yes, he is absolutely misrepresenting me. I praise the Constitution precisely because it budgets for what the Scriptures teach about the sinfulness of man. Of course, biblical law outranks the Constitution. Of course if the Constitution allows for some sin that the Bible doesn’t allow for, the Constitution should be amended to fix that. I am, after all, a theonomist. A general equity theonomist, but I am one.
Ogden and the Sins of Women
I had two questions for you, both related to the Ogden fellows, but one more peripheral and one more direct. First, (and I’m a bit late with this one) around a year ago the Kings Hall podcast had author David Edgington, who wrote White Knights and Reviling Wives on. This was to discuss the observance that even within conservative and CREC circles, there was a definite unwillingness to address wives in their sin of (broadly) un-submission. That this was often exacerbated and defended with the biblical principle of husbandly responsibility. That even when the wife was in gross sin, the attention was still placed upon the husband. They agreed the husband is responsible, but that responsibility does not equate to guilt. I cannot help but resonate with this observation personally, not just in my marriage but in the way it is handled in other marriages, even within like-minded churches. What is your take on this position and how might you go navigating such a situation biblically and specifically to address this issue? I assume you’re going to repeat the husband’s primary responsibility, fair enough, please do. But surely, you could envision a scenario where he is taking responsibility by seeking help with a rebellious wife and may run up against this kind of thing.
Second, I’m sorry for being in the dark, but when I went down this rabbit hole I found there is some rift/disagreement with the Ogden fellows right now. Could you help fill me in on what this is regarding and why there is such disagreement with a group I originally thought shared much good with Moscow?
Thanks.Anon
Anon, it what you have described above about the husband’s responsibility not being the same thing as the husband’s guilt, etc. there is no disagreement. Neither is there disagreement on the need for pastors to be applying the whole counsel of God with regard to marriage to men and women both. And that’s what we do.
As for the current rift, Ogden wants to make more room for the dank right than we do. For example, at their recent conference, they had a Nazi vendor there. Not good, not good at all.
As for the current rift, Ogden wants to make more room for the dank right than we do. For example, at their recent conference, they had a Nazi vendor there. Not good, not good at all.
A Boyfriend Quandry
My boyfriend and I want to . . . serve the Church! We fit each other so well! The first 3 months I felt so in love with him and clearly wanted to get married to him. Now after 6 months I live scared that I live in my feeling and sometimes find it harder to love him or feel like idk still. I have seen him in camping and I think I have realized that I lean on my feeling. Well, I need to love him even when I don’t feel it.Rebekah
Rebekah, there are two things to say here. One is that a wise Puritan once said that first you choose your love, and then you love your choice. Feelings come and go, and feelings can come and go in marriage. The covenant comes first. The problem that you are experiencing is that the feelings are coming and going, which is not unusual, but there is no covenant yet to build on. My advice to your boyfriend would be to get a ring, and my advice to you would be to put it on your finger.
Reading Lists
Unfortunately, I am only just now becoming more familiar with all of your work and influence in recent church movements. I am really appreciating all that you have to say and your straightforward approach to theology and its direct connections with culture and society. In a few podcasts recently, I heard you mention setting for yourself a goal to become more literate in theology during your early years pastoring through an intense reading program. While I can’t hope to parallel the speed at which you did this, I was wondering if you have a curated list created since then for someone who might like to pursue significant theological understanding, but in a more lay orientation. If so, could you point me to that? If not, would you have a shortened list of recommendations for someone hoping to just deepen their theological founding? I appreciate anything in this realm that you can provide. Thank you!
Best regards,Samuel
Samuel, I am sorry I don’t have it here with me, but at the end of The Case for Classical Christian Education, I have a couple proposed lists. And here would be another one.
19th Amendment Discussions
I, for one, don’t mind your talking about the 19th Amendment at all! While it is way outside of the Overton window for most, the topic is just transgressive enough to spark real discussion among those of us who wonder what a truly Christian society would look like. Not to mention, it does a lot to ferret out the latent feminism among us. I do have one niggling concern—one that I have not heard addressed—that household voting could skew results to favor single voters /households of one. Should we be concerned about this? If so, would the votes be weighted by size of household? I grant that the more Christian the nation, the less this would likely be an issue, but in the secular present, it seems a troubling inevitability.S
S, I think you suggested the answer right at the end of your letter. In any society capable of even thinking about repealing the 19th Amendment, they wouldn’t have anywhere near the number of single households that we have today. And the ones they did have could be accommodated in much the same way that we let Rhode Island have two senators alongside Texas.
I want to just thank you for your blog post “Why I Don’t Mind Talking About the 19th Amendment“ which was an inspiration to me to make the closing line of all of my mail and emails to anyone at all: “I wish I could forgive you for being a pathetic human being”.
Appreciate your work and ministry!
I wish I could forgive you for being a pathetic human being,Jeff
Jeff, I appreciate how you moved to application right away.
Re: “Why I Don’t Mind Talking About the 19th Amendment”
I assume you are already aware of this, but since the Constitution delegates to each of the states the ability to set their own election laws, including the laws that determine voter eligibility, then a complete transformation of our voting system to “household” voting would have to happen state by state. Unless you would be in favor of amendments to the Constitution to effect household voting as federal law?
If state by state would be the favored approach, then repealing the 19th Amendment would be to tacitly approve the possibility that some states could bar women from voting entirely, irrespective of household status. I think this is among the reasons that even most conservative, Christian women would be averse to the idea. Even if we could say we were at a place where it was extremely unlikely that any state would actually do that, our modern sensibilities would be offended by the notion that a state could bar women from voting entirely and that doing so would be perfectly compatible with the Constitution.
On the topic of the Constitution, I think household voting is just generally difficult to square with its principles. Even though it uses the language of “all men,” I think we’re all agreed that it means “all individuals,” so it is kind of atomistic from the get-go, isn’t it?Kenneth
Kenneth, my preference would be to have it addressed state-by-state. And I think the difficulty we have in imagining this is the result of abandoning a robust view of the household. And we don’t want to press the “all individuals” point too strongly because five-year-olds are individuals. And so with dependent children we already have household voting in small measure.
Wrath and the Attributes of God
You posted the following statement: “We are saved from the wrath of God by the love of God as these two attributes of God collided in the agony of Jesus Christ.”
Do you believe that “wrath” is an “attribute of God”? If so, doesn’t that mean that God’s immutability creates problems for you? How could “wrath” be an attribute of the eternal and simple Godhead who is in himself love?
Isn’t it more accurate to say that God is love—a holy and righteous loveand that when his love is scorned and spurned and ridiculed, his immutable love displays itself in wrath (not natural to God—c.f. Lamentations 3:33)?
Thanks,Caleb
Caleb, if pressed to be more precise I would say that the attribute concerned was God’s holiness, which is essential to His being. I think of His holiness as the sum total of all His attributes, like every color of the spectrum together gives us white light. Wrath is one of the things that happens when this holiness encounters sin. Compassion for sinners is also one of the things that happens.
Suggestion
Hoping we’ll get a Doug Reacts on the Vance/Rogan Christian Nationalism discussion.Jason
Jason, good idea. I’ll post this for the boys . . . I just go where I’m pointed.
The Benefits of Colonialism
I hope you’re doing well. In the great grand world of the Internet, something of a controversy has, unsurprisingly, come up. This time, it hinges upon the benefits, or lack thereof, of colonialism. I grew up, going to Christian schools, where there was at least some attempt to save face with colonialism by stating the original explorers wanted to spread Christianity.
It goes without saying there have been many failures in and because of colonialism. However, there have been some blessings as well. I would say that a lot more people became Christianized, and are now Christians, through and because of European colonization. We also have to ask at what cost.
One of the main focal points of the controversy online is the current state of Zimbabwe, and the former state of Rhodesia (this video is usually what pops up on the internet: ). Compared to other people, I know next to nothing about Rhodesia. I am very embarrassed to say that I had just heard about it about a year ago. I know next to nothing about Cecil Rhodes, and I’m not the biggest expert on colonial history anyways. I know your son depicted Cecil Rhodes as an antagonist in his Ashtown burial series. What I would like to know is what to think about this, and how to properly understand colonialism.ON
ON, first I would distinguish colonialism at large from the personal character of individuals like Rhodes. And that is related to what I would also grant in any discussion, which is that—just like every other aspect of human history—there was always plenty of sin and evil. That is granted at the outset. But having said all that, colonialism was the best thing that ever happened to most of those places.
Webbon on Women
I ran across this short (30-second) reaction video by Webbon to a debate on feminism (attached below), and I’m having a hard time identifying exactly what’s wrong with it. On the one hand, I would agree generally with the idea that feminism is a bad thing, from the first wave all the way through to our current tsunami. But the attitude seems unnecessarily harsh and dismissive. He may expound elsewhere on the glories of the image of God in females, and I really hope he does, but there is a smell to his response that reeks of arrogance. Christ is the stench of death to those who are perishing, but if you are the stench of death to 98% of Christians, perhaps one should consider giving their words the sniff test. My intention is not to divide; he is a pastor, and I don’t want to impugn the office. It just feels like there is danger in the spirit that I want my teenage boys and me to steer clear of, and so I want to clearly identify exactly what is out of place. How would you identify the problem with this response? Or is there any problem at all, and he just needs to work on tact?Tim
Tim, much of what he says there is true (not all, but much). The chief difficulty is that genuine patriarchy is not supercilious. Paul’s requirements in Ephesians 5 are not mansplaining, and this is.
Struggles With Lust
I have an issue. I struggle with lust and tried sticking to an accountability group that used the spiritual disciplines as a means of overcoming porn. Now I can’t access it, and I’m left alone again. On another note, I have some confusion in regards to getting married. The same group said that porn causes addiction and therefore marriage will not solve it, whereas you on the other hand have stated that marriage solves the issue. Who should I believe and why?H
H, on this issue, both sides have a point. For most Christian men, marriage and a healthy sexual relationship provides a great earthly help in the battle against lust. It is not a cure-all, but it is a great help. Most of the battle is for mastery of a biological appetite, and a lawful outlet for the sexual drive is of course a great help. In a minority of cases, marriage does not address the problem as it should, but this is usually when there are other factors contributing to that problem—e.g. a low view of women generally, or a hyper-competitive nature, or not enough horsepower to lead the wife, etc. But if you are where most Christian men are, you should get married.
Women in Fiction
I do enjoy the Bechdel Test. However, it has its limitations. I’ve read thrillers that “pass” it, but the female characters are all men wearing woman suits. And The Lord of the Rings does NOT pass it, but clearly views women as people and has a high view of us.
Another, similar literary test is the “sexy lamp.” If a female character could be replaced by a sexy lamp with no injury to the plot . . . that’s bad.Jennifer
Jennifer, thanks. I think.
Inheritance Dilemma
I’m going to give you a hypothetical, but I believe your answer to it will help parse out some things that will help me in my real-life understanding of this issue. Let’s say a godly man, who has been diligent in his work and successful in business (even building his own multi-million dollar company), has 5 adult sons.
Of the 5 sons, 3 are incredibly loyal to their father, and have also emulated his diligence and care in business, and are godly. The other 2 are loving kids, who respect the father, but who have had patterns of foolish behavior and choices in several chapters of their own lives, living ungodly lifestyles at points; but they have never “denied the faith” or anything extreme in that regard. Just foolishness, unrighteousness, and periods of slothfulness as well. And one last variable: the godly sons have MANY more kids than the 2 foolish sons. The grandkids outweigh heavily in one direction, and so now the father/grandfather is factoring that into his vision of the future and how to divide up inheritances.
How should the father think about BIBLICALLY apportioning inheritances for these 5 sons? Are there any portions of Scripture that give some direction as to how to divvy things up in a way that comports with their godliness (or lack thereof) or is the biblical model “even Steven” all the way across? This is a puzzle to me, and any guidance you could share (or written works you’ve read/written on this subject) would be very helpful.Anon
Anon, I don’t believe that there is any requirement for the inheritance to be absolutely even across the board. “A wise servant shall have rule over a son that causeth shame, and shall have part of the inheritance among the brethren” (Proverbs 17:2). That said, if the differences between the sons are not wildly divergent, I would seek to keep it as equitable as possible. If those differences are really wide, however, I don’t see a problem with apportioning the inheritance accordingly—but without disinheriting the less capable sons. But I would also seek to do it in a way that did not create family dissension and controversy after you were gone.
Charlie, Candace, and Tyler
I’m writing in response to Candace and the Bathtub Admirals, but also as a follow-up to a letter I wrote in January and your response.
I wrote a letter looking for the “reasonable” response to the investigation into Charlie’s assassination. I raised some objections to the official narrative. You responded that you had some non-public information and you thought when that information came to light it would answer the objections and you said if that information was public it wouldn’t stop the conspiracy theories.
After the preliminary hearing I believe you’re at least partially vindicated. It turns out we have video supporting the narrative that someone transported an (intact) rifle under their clothes to the roof, took a shot from the roof and then exited the roof with the (intact) rifle.
Unfortunately, I still believe we’re in a bi-polar world where people are either too accepting or too dismissive of the official narrative, and I still take issue with the way you’re approaching the matter.
Let me use Lindsey Graham’s death to explain. On Sunday we received news that Graham had died of an aortic dissection caused by arteriosclerotic cadiovascular disease. If Graham was any normal Joe we’d chalk his death up to natural causes and never question it again. But Graham isn’t a normal Joe. He’s one of the most prominent mouthpieces supporting Ukraine against Russia and Israel against Iran. Graham died after returning from Ukraine on trip to support Ukraine’s war against Russia. We have credible claims (from the British government) that Russia has previously poisoned people in a way to cause cardiac arrest.
In light of these facts I believe it’s unreasonable to confidently attribute Graham’s death to either natural causes or a Russian assassination. The only reasonable response is to say “I don’t know” (unless you have some highly specialized or non-public information that informs you one way or the other.)
The problem is that nation states break down the Means Motive Opportunity paradigm. For most normal people when a suspect has Means Motive and Opportunity it represents the convergence of 4 independent, fairly rare factors (means, motive, opportunity and the murder) and that statistical improbability is weighty. (Most Joes have few, if any, people with motive to kill them. Means, opportunity and murder are also generally rare across the general populace.) But controversial public figures tend to have many people (and nation states) that wish them dead and (rich) nation states inherently have means, can create their own opportunity and can even make make a murder look like natural causes. The result is that MMO loses its rarity when it comes to nation states and this leads to a statistical analysis of “I don’t know.”
If Charlie was a regular Joe this would be an open and shut case. I’d be ready to throw the book at Tyler. But Charlie wasn’t a regular Joe. The fact is there’s very little physical evidence pinning this on Tyler. We can connect Tyler (and others) to the rifle, but we can’t connect that rifle to the bullet that killed Charlie. The new evidence actually made that connection less likely when they ruled out exotic cartridges and said it was a normal hunting round. We can’t definitively place Tyler on the roof. Almost all of the evidence is around Tyler’s confession and it’s compelling if you trust the sources. Do you trust the Furry that received immunity for his testimony? Do you trust the investigators?
And now we get to my real point. (Sorry it took this long.) It would be great if we could trust our government to do the best possible investigation possible into Graham’s death and then fully and transparently report the results to us. That would move the needle from “I don’t know.” But I’m not holding my breath for that. You mentioned Butler in your last reply to me. I hope you haven’t been holding your breath for transparency in that case.
It would have been great if TPUSA had been transparent and truthful about the details surrounding Charlie’s death. But they weren’t. It would be great if I could trust the government to do a full investigation of Charlie’s death and then transparently release the results. But I can’t. I still believe the only reasonable take on Charlie’s assassination is “I don’t know.”
And I believe that’s the primary fuel for the conspiracy theories. The world needs Truth and Light. If it had Truth and Light (or even just truth and light) we’d have way less conspiracy theories.Ryan
Ryan, the distrust that people now have in government agencies and investigations is a distrust that the government fully earned. I consequently have no problem when people withhold judgment on “official narratives.” That seems reasonable to me. But we have to remember that people are built to trust someone, and so I do have a problem when they go off to transfer their trust to someone like Candace and her free-styling fever dreams. Is there anything out there less trustworthy than the official line on the Butler fiasco? Quite a challenge, but yeah . . . there’s Candace.


Pertinent to that last letter, our pastor preached on Ps 131 this Sunday: “I do not occupy myself with things too great and too marvelous for me. But I have calmed and quieted my soul…” Maybe some of these things we have questions about we just don’t need to occupy ourselves with. Ask yourself what knowing how Graham died will gain you. You could make the case that as a voting American citizen, knowing who stole the 2020 election is more important. And surely that is more than enough marvel to be bothered with such trivialities as a war hawk… Read more »
Replying instead of making a fully separate comment only because its on the same topic. “If Graham was any normal Joe we’d chalk his death up to natural causes and never question it again. But Graham isn’t a normal Joe. He’s one of the most prominent mouthpieces supporting Ukraine against Russia and Israel against Iran. Graham died after returning from Ukraine on trip to support Ukraine’s war against Russia. We have credible claims (from the British government) that Russia has previously poisoned people in a way to cause cardiac arrest. In light of these facts I believe it’s unreasonable to… Read more »
Check last week’s letters – there’s a long, very well-sourced comment for your benefit. Don’t get lost from the main point again when you read it.
Where’s Mitch McConnell?!?!?!?
“Colonialism was the best thing to ever happen to most of those places.”
Is that so? Have you asked the colonized? How do you know? Maybe there were some benefits, but like the commenter said, “at what cost”? Just like Doug saying that slavery was mutually beneficial and harmonious and the black slaves actually enjoyed their lives as slaves. White-washed history…
There are several things that blow my mind when they claim this. One is the hyper-materialistic value for life. Let’s say a human trafficker goes to a country where the standard of living is poor. They take a child, rape the child, make the child work as a slave, and then traffic the child to a wealthier country. If the child eventually got their freedom and continued living in the wealthy country, would they say the rapist enslaver was the best thing that ever happened to them? Of course not. And neither would anyone who loved them. That trauma lasts… Read more »
It is widely noted that the Pax Romana greatly facilitated the growth of the Christian church. Life is messy. Few events are 100% good or bad.
And Pontius Pilate facilitated the Resurrection. That does not make Pilate “good”, it does not even count as a positive in his account. Things done with evil intent are still evil things, no matter how God uses them. God can use anything before Him to do his good work. That does not mean we should praise the evil. Shall we already praise Judas and declare him a Saint, for precipitating the Crucifixion and all that meant? I do agree, incidentally, that nothing is 100% good or bad. Even in Roman domination, even in Colonialism, even in Southern Slavery, there were… Read more »
Most settlers who preferred living in indigenous communities had been taken captive as children. Ties to their own culture were weakened on seeing their parents killed. Few settlers voluntarily chose indigenous life. Infants and toddlers who survived the violence of capture grew up knowing no other life. Other children (up to about 14 years) ordinarily assimilated if not rescued shortly. Older teen males, if spared, were more prone to attempt escape. Older teen females might either stay or plot escape for years. There is no evidence of a large exodus from immigrant communities to indigenous communities. Some slaves found refuge… Read more »
They weren’t all abducted – I was specifically speaking of the ones who left European-American society in order to join Native American society voluntarily. As I said, that was far more common than vice-versa, and the historic evidence bears me out. “There must be in the Indians’ social bond something singularly captivating, and far superior to be boasted of among us; for thousands of Europeans are Indians, and we have no examples of even one of those Aborigines having from choice become Europeans.” – Michel Guillaume Jean de Crévecoeur, Letters from an American Farmer (1782)“No European who has tasted Savage Life… Read more »
If James Axtell cites Creveceour at face value, then all of Axtell’s references should be thoroughly checked. Letters from an American Farmer is written in the fictional voice of a farmer. Crevecoeur’s “thousands” is at best anecdotal, and likely a sensational exaggeration for the sake of his readers. Axtell refers twice to “large number[s]” choosing to become “white Indians,” but the citations are limited to informal observations. Axtell’s article refers over and over to captives, but he doesn’t give any clear citation on voluntary defections. Even Crevecoeur refers to the age at capture making a difference. Crevecoeur does refer to… Read more »
I gave 7 quotes and 7 additional sources, and you don’t like 1 of them and ignore most of the rest. You, on the other hand, have given literally nothing to support your claim.
Stop playing the internet games and focus on the original topic again. Would you believe, that, at the very least, there is enough presented to call into question the claim that people automatically prefer European society to pre-European society?
Older Pakistanis to my dad, missionary there A.D. 1955-88: Lohr Sahib, the further we get from British influence the more corrupt we get.
god bless him…saving the world. Look at America…I guess it’s true.
As you say, when you read Pastor Wilson saying that slavery is the best life Black people have ever had, it’s not surprising to see him say the same for colonialism. All quotes from his book, “Southern Slavery As It Was” “The abolitionists maintained that slave-owning was inherently immoral under any circumstance. But in this matter, the Christians who owned slaves in the South were on firm scriptural ground.” – page 7, 2nd paragraph “The Bible teaches that a man may be a faithful Christian and a slave-owner in a pagan slave system. If he owns slaves, then Scripture does… Read more »
For once, I think there’s value in what you’re saying here. So then, we have an obligation to kick the Muslim and third-world colonizers out of our country.
Can you give us your Christ-obedient justification for that? Also, you’re using the word wrong. “domination of a people or area by a foreign state or nation : the practice of extending and maintaining a nation’s political and economic control over another people or area.” “Colonialism is the practice of extending and maintaining political, social, economic, and cultural domination over a territory and its people by another people in pursuit of interests defined in an often distant metropole, who also claim superiority.” “Colonialism is a practice in which one state or group exerts control over another territory and its inhabitants,… Read more »
Yeah, not the same thing. Not saying that other nations or cultures haven’t colonized, but “Muslims and third word” immigrants in the US are not colonizers. No force, no replacing the indigenous population…American colonizers, you know, from Europe, took care of that.
“Our” country? Because you were born here? Or maybe your parents were? What determines or differentiates “ours” from “theirs”?
In Booker T. Washington’s autobiography, Up From Slavery, he relates how when they were freed, the former slaves all considered going back to Africa, and the answer was a collective and emphatic, “No”. Let’s also consider the actual state of sub-Saharan Africa in those times. Prior to the arrival of Europeans, sub-Saharan Africa was already a quagmire of slavery. African tribes regularly waged wars in which the losers were enslaved and sold. The Saharan slave trade, for instance, started much earlier than the Atlantic slave trade, persisted longer, and trafficked more slaves. So, when the Europeans entered the picture, they… Read more »
Consider they were also Americans at that point who had been in the states for generations since importation was banned nearly 60 years before they were freed and promised land and a mule. Enter Johnson and the failure of reconstruction where his goal was to protect the slavers. Justice would have been all of their land and capital being redistributed to the workers. Gain’s ill gotten need to be taken from these freaks otherwise they will use it to benefit their class which is exactly what happened. And France, a thoroughly Catholic country, ended slavery in their country before prodenstism… Read more »
Ah, Christians aren’t culpable, then, they were just continuing an already established tradition…seems Christ-like…oh, wait…
It’s extremely goofy for the pro-slavery protestants to try to take credit for ending slavery from the anti-slavery protestants. If you’re a Quaker, brag about working to end slavery. If you’re a Mennonite, brag about working to end slavery. If you’re a Black Baptist, brag about working to end slavery. If you’re a true Wesleyan Methodist (though many of the churches quickly went wayward), a true devotee of early fathers like Gregory of Nyssa, or a radical-left Evangelical like Thomas Clarkson, take credit for ending slavery. But if you’re aligned with the Southern Baptists, the southern Presbyterians, the southern Methodists,… Read more »
If you’re alive today, taking credit for ending slavery is ridiculous.
I don’t see that as necessarily true. Saying, “Our theology showed us that slavery was wrong even when so many others were saying it was right” is a strong selling point for a theology. By the same token, if you were using your theology to justify an evil practice while others were preaching from the Gospel and telling you it was wrong….then there was something wrong with the way you used theology. Simply saying, “Okay, I’ll admit slavery was wrong now” isn’t enough to fix that wrong. Pastor Wilson literally calls himself a PaleoConfederate. He really believes that the Confederate… Read more »
Their theology showed them and they spoke up and they acted. It may commend your theology if your theology is the same as theirs; if there is a history of that theology producing good fruit. You can take satisfaction in knowing that, but you can’t take credit for ending slavery if you weren’t there. Of course I should note, the end of slavery was really a secondary effect of the war to preserve the union rather than a direct result of anything pacifist churches were doing. Still, I give them credit for doing something. I know Doug Wilson calls himself… Read more »
That’s all I was saying – it’s a credit to the theology if the theology was coming to right conclusions at that time. It’s a discredit to the theology if the theology was coming to the wrong conclusions. I wasn’t speaking to people’s personal moral ledger (if that is a thing). I agree that the end of slavery was a secondary effect, but the churches had created the atmosphere under which such a decision was possible. I think specific theological errors shed light on the methodology. If someone has a scientific theory, and it makes a prediction, and the prediction… Read more »
Anyone know what’s going on with Mitch McConnell? Seems suspicious…?
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In the OT, the oldest son got a double portion.Regarding the inheritance: the Bible says to leave things for grandchildren, so perhaps 45 percent divided among sons, forty-five percent grandchildren and ten percent to other friends and relatives.
The feds have been part of state elections since the Voting Rights Act of 1965.
Doug, did see Trump is letting Saudi Arabia have nukes? Look what all that embarrassing bootlicking got us 🤣 Can we expect a new Clown World video about this? Pretty quiet channel since the war started…