I didn’t vote for Trump in 2016. If things continue on the current course, I can see myself likely pulling the lever for him in 2020, especially considering the neo-socialist, pro-Molech, non-binary gender alternative the opposing party is likely to put forward.
Yes, I agree that this is the issue before us.
“Whatchagonnado?” I didn’t vote for Trump for the same reasons you listed. He claimed to be pro-life, anti-corruption, and pro-business but I didn’t trust him stick to those principles. Just because he has stumbled into some good decisions (i.e. Gorsuch, tax reductions), he still has enough bad decisions to go around (the tweets, tariffs, huge spending bill). What could possibly lead you into thinking he will continue to stumble into more good decisions? Nothing about his character has changed. He hasn’t publicly repented for sins. So why could you consider voting for him on the next go-round?
The reason I think there should be a discussion of the relevant principles is because we would be holding those principles up against an actual record, as distinct from holding them up against wild speculation about someone who had never held any political office before.
What’s there to discuss? Imagine if NeverTrumpers had gotten their way and Hillary Clinton was president. ‘Nuff said.
Mike, there are many who feel as you do.
Ref. That Unthinkable 2020 Election If anyone is wondering how some of us might still be underwhelmed: 1. The list compiled by the fallible Heritage Foundation includes some good things, some unremarkable good things that only look remarkable against the back drop of what came immediately before, some bad things, and some things I don’t care about. There certainly are not two hundred and fourteen things to celebrate. 2. The Trump administration has not even approached solving fundamental problems and has probably exacerbated some of them. 3. Nothing Trump has done or could do in the White House will make up for what he did to get there.
John, nothing is a strong word. If God could deal kindly with a king as wicked as Ahab was (1 Kings 21:27), I can imagine any number of things in the White House that should make us think twice.
That fifth-last paragraph is sheer magnificence. I wish I could turn a phrase on cue like that, Doug.
Welcome to the party, Doug. What am I gonna do in 2020? Same thing I did in 2016: vote for Trump as the lesser of two evils. Then go home, knock back a stiff drink, and marvel at God’s sovereignty.
Tim, thanks for sharing.
I expect a plumber to plumb, and a president to preside. Our current president has shown himself better at presiding over the return to righteous law than any in recent memory. Other criteria than that for a ruler is kidding ourselves about what a ruler is supposed to be. Most notably, he is not a priest. Romans tells us that he is the sword of God, punishing the wicked and rewarding the righteous. As far as I can tell, that’s just what he’s doing.
Isaiah, I take your point, but I think we have to go a bit beyond that.
“That Unthinkable 2020 Election” As of now, because of the still unrepentant character flaws and the lack of any consistent conservative worldview arch, I don’t think I would cast my vote for Trump in 2020. But I might not join the chorus of #NeverTrumpers committed to opposing his re-election more than enacting a Conservative agenda. In fact, without actually rooting for Trump to win, I might actually root for the primary opposition campaign to lose and lose big league. I propose the Church read The Mission of God by Dr. Joseph Boot and do cultural ministry with that book (coupled with Scripture) as our Manifesto. Focus on what God is doing with His unmerited favor, grace, mercy, and, at times, judgment, rather than “this personality is bad and this personality is good.” We need to stop looking for righteous men to lead the country, and start looking for repentant sinners who understand what true godliness means. Hint: Godliness does NOT mean well-groomed, bow tie wearing, hair in pristine combed condition, and a picture perfect family man with no skeletons in his/her closet. Now, I’m not suggesting we should adopt the “don’t let the perfect be the enemy of the good” nonsense. People who suggest settling for the “good” are typically those who have no consistent arch, worldview to begin with. They hate ideological purity and always condemns “purity tests” as pie in the sky, unachievable hopes. Christians should absolutely demand a “purity test” of sorts, a consistent conservative worldview and center. But they need to understand there is no such thing as a repentant righteous person. Everybody is a sinner, and they are either repentant or unrepentant. Godliness understands our limitations and repents of our sins, but they understand men are imperfect and God can love our nation so much that He could shower us with His unmerited favor and grace through a national leader that has no consistent worldview. We shouldn’t put our seal of approval on unrepentant sinners though.
Trey, I am currently reading The Mission of God. Good book. And Joe Boot is speaking for us this year at the Grace Agenda. Check it out, everybody.
Excellent column, and the kind of applicable “preaching” I wish would come from more pulpits today. Personally, come 2020, unless we see Trump no longer being Trump, my decision will be the same as it was in November 2016: vote third-party if at all. You see, I didn’t oppose Trump primarily because of his dubious “conservative” credentials. I opposed him because he is unfit for the office of President in his morals, character, background, and raw management skills. More importantly, he is a liability to Christians who insists on hitching their wagons to his train despite where it came from and the manner in which it is proceeding. I suppose I could be convinced by Biblical arguments to the contrary. Can we vote for Jehu? Samson? God may raise up anyone against all probabilities and without answering to us, but to what degree can we assist with the raising up of an unqualified man? Interesting times we live in.
Samuel, you make a good point about Christians hitching their wagon to the anomaly that is Trump. Whatever God is doing with Trump, how likely is it to continue when the baton is eventually passed . . . to a bunch of Christians who compromised where they should not have. That in my mind is a real problem, and one I hope to write on soon.
Re: That Unthinkable 2020 Election You asked, “Whatchagonnado?” Probably what I did in November 2016. Make it loud and clear that I’m not voting for Trump ahead of time. Get to the polling place and agonize over the fact that not voting for Trump is an effective vote for the Dem. Realize that my state’s electoral votes are going red regardless of my personal angst. Cast a relatively painless protest vote for someone I respect and pray for the best.
JJ, yes, yes. I have done that sort of thing a number of times myself.
Jimmy Kimmel was recently quoted as saying Hollywood makes movies for the specific purpose of upsetting Vice President Pence. Fair enough. I would vote to re-elect Trump solely to give both the Bolsheviks and the Mensheviks of Hollywood yet another jolly good fit of apoplexy. And there is a very good chance I would dance in front of the TV on the night the election returns came in shouting, “MWUAAHAHHAHAHA!!” Discuss among yourselves, Screen Actors Guild.
Okay, Dan. But don’t have too much fun.
Pastor Doug, I think the more interesting question is this: What are you going to do? :) I voted for Trump for the same reason a man opens an umbrella and puts it over his head when he sees an asteroid the size of Jupiter hurtling towards him: “Eh, What the hell. Maybe it will help.” :)
Thanks, Dave. And did it help?
Gun Control and Abortion
Thank you for your continued faithfulness in writing. I have a question regarding consistency. I find that I align with you essentially on guns and abortion. However, how would you respond to the claim that Christians are hypocritical in their support of guns shops and their desire that abortion clinics be closed. A dark heart is the root problem in both cases. Granted. The Gospel is the answer to both cases. Granted. Then why are we all for the mitigating laws toward abortion clinics, even though that won’t cure the root problem, but we are totally against mitigating laws toward the tools used for school shootings, because it won’t cure the root problem? Are we being consistent? How would you answer? Thank you for any thoughts.
Something else I thought of that I would like to tack on. If literally thousands of high school students were dying every day as a result of shootings with AR-15s and 30rnd mags, would we Christians be clamoring for their ban? Is this, at the root, simply a numbers game? I think that is all. I greatly look forward to any response.
Jerrod, the difference is this. The abortion clinic exists to do evil only. The gun shop sells something that can be used in a crime, but the vast majority of their sales are to law-abiding citizens, using the weapons they buy for legitimate purposes. We shouldn’t shut down auto-dealerships because cars are used in bank robbery getaways. This difference is not a slight difference, and only appears as a technicality because of the incessant propaganda we get from the left.
Is your search engine working?
Catherine, I just tried it and it appears to be working. Try going back to the main page and using it from there.
On Firefox, the home page of your website is messed up. You have to scroll through an excessively large, white space in order to view the articles. It’s been that way for a while. Perhaps it is because the issue does not exist on chrome.
Seth, are you talking about mobile devices or computers? Because I use Firefox on my computers and do not have that problem at all.
Do all comments now require moderation or have I been “grey”-listed? For the record, I don’t mind being grey-listed, nor do I request an explanation for such. Just curious to the overall modus operandi.
Nathan, no, you have not been gray listed at all.
Pastor Wilson, I’m not addressing a specific post, nor am I concerned about it being featured with a post, but I had a few questions. First, in a number of blog posts and on a number of videos and possibly a past Credenda/Agenda you have dealt with using typology today. The question, always, with this methodology is “what are the brakes on this methodology?” I was wondering how you would critique the Catholic apologist who finds typology for Mary in things like the ark of the covenant to Solomon’s mother to the woman of Revelation 12. How can we tell when typology is off the mark? The last question is quite specific and boring I’m afraid. I remember finding an article last year about Psalm 2 and its use in the New Testament. The person who wrote it was associated with you or your church (possibly the college you run). The thing of interest was how the text is used in different ways and that related to a verb that can be used in different ways, that was expanded on in the Midrash on the Psalms. I have completely unable to find the article since then, but I do have my notes on the article. Do you have any idea where I could find the article? Thanks.
Geoff, sorry I don’t know the article you are referring to. I think I need a few more specifics. Typology, like everything else, needs to be anchored in the text, and we should submit to what the text demands of us, and not to what the text allows from us. In short, the brakes are Christ Himself.
Off topic, but I’d love to see you address the situation with Adam Ford of the Babylon Bee and Facebook. Adam is really taking the fight into enemy territory. I’m finding this particularly fun to watch as I just finished Flags Out Front a couple of days ago.
Jane, I think the Babylon Bee is great. And the idea of the High and Humorless fact-checking them is yet more evidence that God loves us and wants us to be happy.
Get Your Requests in Early
As a child of the seventies and early eighties, I love the rock and roll that the Logos Dad’s Band plays each year. However, as a Texan, I’m also fond of country and western music. While I don’t expect y’all to add a steel guitar to the band, there are some good C&W songs that might fit in well with the rock motif. Here are a few you might consider for your 2019 concert: If it Will it Will (Hank Williams Jr.), I Left Something Turned on at Home (Trace Adkins), Every Little Thing (Carlene Carter), Who’s Cheatin’ Who (Charly McClain) and Highway Patrol (Junior Brown).
Bill, I am just a guitar player and play what I am told.
Book Review of Crisis of Responsibility
I enjoyed your review of this book. Taking responsibility is more in short supply than I thought. I am still wrestling with the results of this Pew Research Center survey: http://bit.ly/2F7PQuE. Could it really be possible that 54% of PCA members and 30% of Southern Baptist Convention members think abortion should be legal? This seems so basic, but our churches really seem to be unable to take basic responsibility in simply stating fundamental truths. It’s quite discouraging.
David, yes, I am afraid that is at least possible. But also remember that surveys and their methods are not worldview neutral.
Would it be possible to have a link on the site to all the previously chosen books of the month? I use these suggestions as a primary source for spending my pastoral book allowance. However, now that Pastor Wilson has been doing these for awhile and given the amount of overall material he produces, it would be helpful to have one spot where one could find them all. Just a suggestion. Please keep up the good work and may our Lord continue to bless and keep all of you!
Jon, that is a good idea. I would just need to get to it. I understand that Congress is considering giving us 26 hours days soon, and that might take care of it.
I just started reading Politics of Guilt and Pity because you recently referenced it, as did Toby on Crosspolitic. It is my first go with Rushdoony and my response to the first chapter about guilt and atonement went something like, Wowzers. My entire Facebook newsfeed started to come into focus. Then, at a break in the action toward the end of a long day here in Memphis, I come across “Woke with the Wim Wams” and it was like I could see and understand my newsfeed in HD. All to say, keep plodding my brother. I am thankful for your work.
Chris, thanks. And the early Rushdoony really is pretty bracing.
More Info Please
I was wondering where would I find more extensive information or blogs about your post millennial views? I did find one such entry about Jesus being seated until all things are under his feat, but do you elaborate on this anywhere? Thanks, love you love the show.
Gabriel, my views on eschatology are set out in Heaven Misplaced. Check it out here.
Woke of a Wokeness
“In short, anybody who thinks he is ‘woke’ is actually still in his sins.” Just call this what it is: Woke-s righteousness. On a serious note, I do think this is a crucial point. I have been tempted in my ministry to see the debauchery and degeneracy of the American culture and spend my time denouncing licentiousness. The reality is that people seem to be hard-wired, whether from a religious perspective or a secular one, to seek a justification by works at least as much as they seek a cheap grace that makes Jesus their savior but not their lord.
BJ, yes. Everything is always about salvation one way or another. The choice is always between false saviors and the true Savior.
Thank you for your labors. After reading your piece on the contemporary hamartiology implied in the “Woke” movement, I came across this excellent piece on guilt in contemporary culture with which you may already be familiar. Interestingly, it predates the recent post-Weinstein frenzy but its comments on finding absolution through identifying with victims explains much of the power of the #metoo movement. Blessings in your ministry.
This religious explanation of the woke is immensely helpful in explaining the complicity of too much of the professed church, who—having wrapped their broken chains around their arms for fear of falling from works-righteousness themselves—now hear the humanist prophets “each in his own tongue,” and condemn also those walking free.
Kevin, yes. And we should never forget that for those who are slaves to sin, the prospect of liberty is terrifying.
Graham and Sproul
Comment on Billy Graham. Good morning, Pastor Wilson. It was interesting to note that you had referenced a piece on Billy Graham’s going to be with the Lord, but did not mention anything regarding R.C. Sproul (as far as I know and aside from a Tweet regarding it). I have been greatly instructed on many things by both you and R.C. and believe that God had greatly used R.C. in the revitalization of Reformed theology (one of many that God has used for this revitalization of what C.H. Spurgeon referred to as being the revealed truth of God). Although I agree in sentiment with the reference to Billy Graham’s preaching of the Gospel, I do think that many will be around the throne because of his ministry. However, I think the same or perhaps more could be said on the case of R.C. Sproul’s ministry, which (I believe) will bear more fruit generationally due to the fact that it was a ministry of the Great Commission more accurately—not just evangelism but also making disciples by teaching the whole counsel of God. Although imperfectly, I think that R.C. did more than Billy in that regard. If you had written on R.C. and I missed it, please forgive the oversight. I am not as regular a reader as I could be. If I have misrepresented the facts (thereby bearing a false witness), please forgive that, also. Thank you for your ministry. We have been greatly blessed by it. Your brother in Christ,
Mark, I agree with you about Sproul’s cultural importance. As you noted, I tweeted something about it, and believe I also said something here in the letters section. But there were a couple other factors. When RC went to be with the Lord things were pretty busy, and when Billy did, I had more of an opening. And second (on a purely autobiographical level), Billy Graham had much more of an impact on me personally, not to mention the culture I grew up in. But none of that was intended as a negative statement regarding RC Sproul. I thank God for him.
Yeah, Well . . .
Nobody memes Doug Wilson as controversial outsider harder than Doug Wilson himself. Russell Moore says what he needs to say to keep his place at the podium and Wilson says what he needs to say to keep his seat at the table. Only anon tells the whole truth.
Barnie, that reminds me of something a friend once referred to, that being The Collected Works of Anonymous, Man of Many Moods.
I would love to hear your thoughts on this “Gospel Power Panel” discussion here: I agree with certain things and also I am worried about how closely these fine gentlemen sound like the New Apostolic movement. I have roots in the Pentecostal church and know all too well the real dangers of these theological persuasions. As Reformed, Presbyterians, we seem to always have either incredibly hard things to say towards this topic or we are completely silent. I may be wrong but I feel we need a Godly gospel-centered position. As always thank you, Pastor, you are a blessing.
Christopher, just a couple of things to note. I am a cessationist, meaning that I do not see any way for the sign gifts to continue down to the present without maintaining that Scriptures are open, meaning that the canon of Scripture is not closed. At the same time, many of my fellow cessationists are functional materialists, who happen to believe in God and angels (at a safe distance). I differ with that. That means that I believe that weird spiritual things still happen (because of the way the world was made), but I don’t believe that inspired things still happen. I need to write on this in more detail some time, but here is a teaser. If you are in a crowded room, and you suddenly know that someone is looking at the back of your head, and you turn around suddenly and discover that someone is in fact doing so, I think that is a species of real knowledge. I also don’t think it is the gift of prophecy. A dog that knows when his owner is coming home does not have the gift of discernment.