A commonplace assumption says that the crowds of Palm Sunday—those welcoming Christ into Jerusalem—and the crowds in front of Pilate shouting “crucify Him!” were made up of the same people. This is a common preacher’s trope, enabling them to enlarge on the fickleness of the heart of man. But there is absolutely no reason for assuming this, and some very good reasons for denying it. And there is also a lesson for us in it.
First, consider the logic of it. Identifying the two crowds is sheer assumption, when we have no grounds for it, and with no reason given that would explain the turn of the crowd away from Christ. What event could have caused all those people to change their minds? We have no more reason for identifying the two different crowds than we would for identifying two disparate events in any other large city—say the people in an arena full of hockey fans and the people in a performance center listening to Beyoncé do her thing. Nothing is altered if we say that the two events were just days apart. And the crowds in Jerusalem were more distinct than hockey and Beyoncé fans. It was more like the rallies of opposing political parties.
Second, we have clear evidence of “maneuvering.” The plot against the Lord’s life began in earnest because of His wild popularity (John 11:48; 12:19). The leaders of the Lord’s opposition feared the people (Matt 21:26). Jesus was arrested by night, and not openly, because an open arrest would have set the people off.
“And consulted that they might take Jesus by subtilty, and kill him. But they said, Not on the feast day, lest there be an uproar among the people” (Matt. 26:4–5).
Now it is true that there was also a crowd that was involved in the prosecution of Jesus (Luke 23:1), but it was a “rented” mob. The crowd showed up at Pilate’s residence bright and early (Mark 15:1), and they did so because they were being used to out-maneuver the godly—not a hard thing to do, by the way. That crowd did cry out for the Lord’s crucifixion, but they were led in this by the chief priests and officers (John 19:6).
Third, after the arrest of Jesus we know that large numbers of people were still loyal to Him—but their leader was under arrest, and they had no plan. In the providence of God, we are most grateful they had no plan because God did have a deeper plan, and it was one that no one on either side would ever have guessed. But there were in fact two sides. There were many thousands of Jews who had received Jesus into Jerusalem in just the way He deserved to be received, and their loyalties to Him remained intact throughout all the events that followed. The only person that we know of who turned coat after the Triumphal Entry was Judas.
In short, if there had been an honest election, a free and fair referendum on whether Jesus should be executed, what would have happened? The leadership of the Jews knew the answer to that question, which is why they did it the way they did it.
After the appalling thing was done, and Jesus was arrested, His followers were appalled. They just didn’t know what to do. Jesus was arrested, and His close disciples scattered. They still had their army, they just didn’t have any generals. The crowds of Jerusalem loved Jesus. Had they done something to rescue Him, it would no doubt have been as inept and out of place as Peter striking Malchus with a sword, but Peter did love the Lord. In a similar way, the people loved Him also.
So after the Lord’s arrest, the godly were still present and accounted for. They were still on the scene, and in large numbers.
“And there followed him a great company of people, and of women, which also bewailed and lamented him” (Luke 23:27).
“And all the people that came together to that sight, beholding the things which were done, smote their breasts, and returned” (Luke 23:48).
“And he said unto them, What things? And they said unto him, Concerning Jesus of Nazareth, which was a prophet mighty in deed and word before God and all the people: And how the chief priests and our rulers delivered him to be condemned to death, and have crucified him” (Luke 24:19–20).
So how does this matter for us? What can we learn from it? I want to give the outline first, and then develop it further in a subsequent post.
Democratic politics is government of the crowds, by the crowds, for the crowds. And as the population of a nation greatly expands, as ours has, the political battles increasingly resemble sumo wrestling—large bodies shoving. One of the lessons we should take away from the account of the Lord’s betrayal and execution is that it is not enough to be on the scene and with the right sympathies for the right cause. As Edmund Burke famously put it, all that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing. The lesson is clear—those who murdered Jesus knew that there were many thousands of righteous Jews who would prevent them from fulfilling their plan if they knew what was happening. But the godly didn’t know, and so it was that the world was saved.
The godly are not good at scheming. They are not good at anticipating how others are scheming. In the stable form of government that we have enjoyed in our nation, it has been easy for the godly to assume that “the crowds” will make their wishes known in our periodic and scheduled elections, and all we have to do is be good little citizens and turn out. But the consensus that was content with free and untrammeled elections disappeared many years ago.
We are now dealing with high level manipulation of crowds, and for most of it we are all home asleep while the early risers are over at Pilate’s house. The ways “crowds” speak today (or are perceived as speaking, which amounts to the same thing) are these: polls, street demonstrations, media coverage, and election fraud.
More to follow.
There’s the whole Barabbas thing too. His people were there. More.
Edit: It’s interesting that unrighteous Pilate is as bad at manipulating crowds as the righteous.
I have mixed thoughts on that article, though I find this comment interesting:
It is not that political aspirations are wrong in themselves, but that they cannot take first place with those called to serve God.
“What event could have caused all those people to change their minds?” With all due respect, pride and politics, I suspect. It is one thing to be welcoming home a King, one you believe will be leading you to political victory. How fast hearts can turn when they realize their job is actually to be sent as sheep among wolves and to be flogged in the synagogues. So even Peter himself denies Christ 3 times and Judas, a disciple, actually sells him out for a few pieces of silver. I do indeed believe that many of those who welcomed Him… Read more »
How fast hearts can turn when they realize their job is actually to be sent as sheep among wolves and to be flogged in the synagogues. So even Peter himself denies Christ 3 times and Judas, a disciple, actually sells him out for a few pieces of silver.
Spinning either case as acts of resentment a little odd when Peter’s problem is evidently cowardice and Judas’ greed.
Apparently cowardice. On the other hand, his first impulse upon finding himself and Christ surrounded by a mob of soldiers – is to launch a one-man assault with his little sword. That he’s a coward a few hours after this reckless display of physical courage is possible, but seems insufficient.
Moral courage and physical courage often run contrary, rather than parallel.
I find this idea intriguing. Can you expand?
I’m skeptical. Surely the gesture of disassociating from Jesus, if motivated by fear, would come from the fear of being tortured and killed, no?
Peter doesn’t strike me as a coward at all. He’s bold, blustery, a fisherman who one lopped of someone’s ear. I suspect it wasn’t cowardice, but rather practicality, survival, that motivated him.
As to Judas being motivated by greed, perhaps, but he seems more interested in winning favor from those in power. He has some idea of what is going down and he’s determined to get his, so greed yes, but even after he gets his silver he is rejected by the authorities and goes on to hang himself.
Doug,
Once again, I appreciate your writings tremendously, but you still seem to miss the basic point. The system the US has in place is not rooted in the proper authority of God’s Law. It is rooted in European liberalism. The faithful Christian must first begin with the proper logical place of God’s Law. This is the mistake you made in addressing Bojidar.
Even despite some Enlightenment Era philosophical errors from a few of our founders, the American political system worked well for years. We had democracy without legalized abortion, same-sex mirage, liberal divorce laws, high crime rates, atheism, an intrusive and unchecked federal government, or bans on public displays of Christian witness or our Christian heritage.
This was because of the residual effects of the Reformation on those who came here and passed it along generationally without regard for the system. But, the system itself was still rooted in unauthorized rule.
Maybe, but this would still indicate the political system isn’t the sole determinant of how godly a society is. Your ideal system is useless if the people aren’t godly themselves, as evidenced by Israel–the only nation to have been given a legal system directly from God Himself.
The determinant for how much the society reflects God’s Law is certainly the people, but not only them. It is not my ideal system, it is God’s eternal Law. But those of us who care about God’s Law must understand that it is the system He gave us that hems in the sinful elements of a society. The Puritans were largely theonomists. The poster BJ was correct that they opposed our unjust system, and it is because it was not founded upon God’s Holy Law.
Well there are others who would call their system “God’s Law” but would differ from your vision, so in a sense it is your ideal system. For instance, what should the Sabbath laws be? Should there be any? Or is the Sabbath fulfilled completely in Christ? If not can one work on the Sabbath? What kind of work can be done? Etc. So there will be interpretation and the need for implementation regardless of the system. Of course it should be noted that within a secular democratic system an overwhelming Christian witness can influence the direction of the country toward… Read more »
I was under the assumption that posters here shared my belief that the Bible was God’s Word. Of course there ought to be Sabbath laws. God is not unclear about it. Whatever form the law took in practice is less important than it is rooted in scripture. However, I would argue for the Westminster Standard on this topic (21.8). One might also note that within the secular west the influence has been for the Sabbath in the church to be watered down and nearly abandoned rather than the direction you indicate. A quick glance at the Sunday practices of most… Read more »
That’s where we have a difficulty: the text is clear, but rather in the other direction. Romans 14:6 “He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it.” I’ve yet to see a compelling argument that Paul’s categorical statement to a mixed church of Jew and Greeks fails to include its obvious target: Jewish Sabbath law.
“The godly are not good at scheming. They are not good at anticipating how others are scheming.”
From Drudge…
http://freebeacon.com/issues/soros-aims-to-enlarge-electorate-by-10-million/
George Soros is deliberately attempting to ensure permanent liberal Democrat rule by demographic transformation. In other words, overwhelm the traditional conservative, white, Christian majority with voters who largely aren’t. And yet we still think our ancestors were wrong to discriminate.
“In short, if there had been an honest election, a free and fair referendum on whether Jesus should be executed, what would have happened?” This is kind of an interesting moral question, because in theory a true Christian genuinely in God’s will, would have to vote for execution. Christ’s fear, His prayer in the garden, is that He not fail with what He has been asked to do. So when Peter objects, we also have, “But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that… Read more »
Fighting for Jesus on your terms rather than his is a long way from voting for his execution. God knows how to use ungodly men for his purposes and bring good out of evil without the godly choosing evil.
But the godly did choose evil, in the garden and all through time. In the absence of Christ there are no actual godly people
Everyone has mixed motives, and the godly sin. But a godly man should not choose to execute Jesus. He would be sinning were he to do so. You said in theory a true Christian genuinely in God’s will, would have to vote for execution. John did not, neither did Mary and the other women. They were right to not vote for Jesus’ execution and would have sinned doing so. Mourning at the cross and preparing him for burial was the moral thing to do.
Incorrect. A true Christian (properly) acts not based on trying to fulfill what he understand God’s plan to be, but based on what God has instructed him to do. And God has made it clear in no uncertain terms that injustice and delivering up the innocent are the most heinous of sins.
The whole point is that in the sovereignty of God, the righteous didn’t ultimately get the vote on that one. But that does not change what the duty of the righteous would have been — to prevent the shedding of innocent blood.
There are none righteous, not one. So it is everyone of us that spilled innocent blood. So what the righteous are called to do in the face of the crucifixion, in the face of salvation, now becomes irrelevant.
Incorrect yet again, and totally outside the scope of a Christian understanding of morality. We are righteous in the sight of God through Christ, and still responsible for our moral choices. “We’re sinners therefore it doesn’t matter who we murder” is absurdity of the largest sort.
As usual, you are rather self righteously attempting to lecture me as if I am too stupid to know we aren’t supposed to be out murdering innocent people. No, I am not “incorrect,” I am speaking of things outside of your realm of experience. You do not speak for ALL of “Christian understanding of morality,” so I do not need you to come along and try to inform me that everything I say is “outside the scope of Christian morality.” If it is outside your own scope, than walk on by and ignore it. I happen to be interested in… Read more »
A commonplace assumption says that the crowds of Palm Sunday—those welcoming Christ into Jerusalem—and the crowds in front of Pilate shouting “crucify Him!” were made up of the same people. Yeah, I believed that for years, because I heard countless sermons making the claim. But it doesn’t make much sense, which I eventually realized. Another ridiculous preacher’s trope is the “hard-hearted innkeeper who turned Baby Jesus away.” I knew that was bogus from the first time I read the New Testament, but you still hear it constantly. I once sat through an entire sermon about it one late December Sunday.… Read more »
There was no inn.
The hell you say!
No inn, no inn-keeper, no stable.
The hell you say?!
The problem is that when you say you don’t believe me I don’t know if you are being sarcastic or not. So whether you believe me or not, I don’t think there was an inn.
Oh dear, why not?
I didn’t say I didn’t believe you.
“The hell you say!” is pretty much the equivalent of “No sh*t, Sherlock?”
As in, “No kidding??? Why do you think I said what I said?”
Gets tricky. I read about half a dozen novels by the same author before I figured out that when one of his characters said “So?” it meant “is that so?” not “so what?”.
Except “the hell you say” is an idiom I don’t use and my idiom dictionary tells me it means “untrue”.
:)
Edit: And yours is a country where to luck out means good luck; and where couldn’t care less is morphed into could care less because logic is not taught at schools.
What about wise men and shepherds and the cat that warmed the Baby Jesus and that is why cats have an M on their foreheads? Or the donkey that carried Mary, and that is why donkeys have a cross on their backs? Are you the grinch that stole Christmas??
And the sinners came to Jesus looking for grace. Jesus didn’t hang out with the bold sinner Herod.
Jesus didn’t hang out with the bold sinner Herod. You might wanna call Vanna and ask if you can buy a clue. I’m not the one making these claims. I’m criticizing those who do And don’t play stupid and pretend you’ve never heard evangelical preachers say this kind of thing before. Because it’s rampant. I’m not the one who wrote recently that if two homosexuals who were in an abomination called a gay marriage moved in next door to me, that I’d be partying with them, because Jesus befriended sinners. That was Doug, not me. You really should be telling… Read more »
Not all sinners are apologists for Satan.
Not all sinners are apologists for Satan.
LMAO
First you imply that Jesus wouldn’t hang out with Herod because Herod was a bold sinner.
When I point out that getting gay married is a brazen attack on the institution of the family, but Doug says he’d be happy to attend parties at the home of two married homos who lived next door because Jesus befriended sinners, all of a sudden you change your tune.
Now, apparently you’d have us believe that Jesus did hang out with bold sinners.
But He drew the line at devil worshipers.
LMAO
Jesus confronted people where they we at. He confronted Herod, he confronted the Samaritan woman, and he confronted Nicodemus. That he spent time with sinners is not in doubt as that is what he was accused of. One must emulate Christ which is to try and point people towards him. In every situation what are you trying to do. Don’t go to a celebration of vice to celebrate. So don’t go to a gay wedding if it makes it appear that you are approving and that approval will likely be significant for them in a negative way. But if you… Read more »
If you gay neighbours are having a BBQ and your presence doesn’t convey approval of their sin but conveys that you love them I don’t see a problem. So you and Doug would attend BBQs with the neighbor next door if he’s constantly on TV do discuss the books he’s written calling for non-whites to be deported and interracial marriage to be outlawed? So you and Doug would attend BBQs with the neighbor next door if he was the head of the American Nazi Party and had a swastika flag flying from his porch? You know, just to convey how… Read more »
Yes. And I am acquainted with an abortionist. And I flatted with a girl who had an abortion. And I helped a Muslim with a freedom of conscience issue (a moral issue that he had but that I do not share). And I have had gay people in my house for a meal.
(Racism is a sin, but one that is universal, and often a minor sin. Not all tribalism is sinful.)
So no tranny, Nazi, or pedophile roomies yet?
I’m disappointed, man.
That’s not very Christian of you.
I have met, conversed, (and respect) an ex-paedophile. I have been involved in caring for a transsexual.
So do you want God’s enemies destroyed? Or do you want them to repent become his friends?
I have met, conversed, (and respect) an ex-paedophile. I have been involved in caring for a transsexual.
Ewww.
And yet my Lord touched lepers.
“Because unlike gay marriage, racism, anti-semitism, and abortion are real sins.”
So if one did attend all those bbqs are they condoning all of the above or just being consistant in attending bbqs?
I would attend any of those bbqs if I were invited.
Could you please enlighten us on why you insist on turning every thread into one about race? Are you OK??? You can’t be serious. You really think I’m a black man? You should probably go lie down, as you’ve apparently confused me with Jemar Tisby or Thabiti Anyabwile. It’s black Christians who make everything about race. Go peruse the Reformed African American Network’s website. It’s RACE RACE RACE RACE RACE RACE RACE RACE RACE RACE RACE RACE RACE RACE RACE RACE RACE RACE RACE RACE RACE. That’s right; pretty much all they ever talk about on there is RACE RACE… Read more »
40 ACRES wrote: Can you show me where preachers of old taught that Jesus said that we really have no business criticizing people outside of our ethnic/racial group? I can’t. But Doug swears that’s what Jesus taught. I’d call that a trope. It’s ironic to watch 40 ACRES demand to see evidence for a claim when he apparently just blocks anyone who insists that he show evidence for his unhinged claims about Wilson. Can 40 ACRES show me where Wilson swears that Jesus said we can’t criticize people outside of our ethnic/racial group? Let’s see the full context, please. Can… Read more »
Hey, maybe you should just respect his freedom of association. ;-)
ashv wrote:
I’m certainly not forcing him to answer my questions if he wants to cover his eyes or otherwise run away from them, but it might be a courtesy to him to be made aware that his hypocrisy and misrepresentation have been called out, and that the ball has been sent back to his court.
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Just click on Abe and you can find lots more.
Knock yourself out.
The world at my fingertips! The Internet is magical.
Color me gullible, but I believe in the innkeeper who had no more room. Why don’t you? Haven’t you sat through enough children’s pageants to convince you? (Although I always wondered why they picked the prettiest, blondest child to play the Virgin Mary.)
You should probably read my post again, jilly.
I didn’t say it. The preacher said it.
I think it’s idiotic.
Okay! But I still draw the line at the flaxen-haired Virgin Mary.
Thanks for the discussion on the crowds. Always assumed same crowds based on (bad?) preaching (exposition?).
Wilson wrote: In short, if there had been an honest election, a free and fair referendum on whether Jesus should be executed, what would have happened? The leadership of the Jews knew the answer to that question, which is why they did it the way they did it. I agree with Wilson’s point that there was a significant contingent who respected and believed in Jesus and His miracles, and that they were likely different from the mob who wanted Him killed. But I wonder if it goes too far to suggest that Jesus would have won a popular election among… Read more »
“What event could have caused all those people to change their minds?” I agree with your statement that we can’t assume the two crowds are the same. I also agree with several of your arguments in the post. But I believe there is also a counter-argument for this particular point – Jesus did a number of things during that week that certainly could have made a lot of people change their mind – specifically the temple incident and the Olivet discourse. Though I don’t think he ever connects the two crowds, N.T. Wright makes a pretty good argument for why… Read more »
It had never occurred to me that the two crowds might not be the same, although it makes sense. I don’t think that the crowds were necessarily motivated either by religious belief or political ideology. I always put myself in both crowds, and took it as a lesson about being fickle and easily led. It makes me think about celebrity culture, and how the masses led by the media will greet you as king one week and call for your death the next. For me, it is a reminder that what I may see as religious feeling in myself may… Read more »
I stand (sit at Starbucks,actually) corrected. I’ll have to correct this in the Spring. Problem is, preacher’s tropes are the things people remember, and repeat the most. Good points.