Great picture. Douglas. I think you are giving “feet” to this passage I just now read. Haven was preaching in 1850 against just-enacted Fugitive Slave Act, requiring everyone everywhere to assist in returning escaped slaves. But his words apply just as aptly against the Obergefell Act. (http://www.amazon.com/National-Sermons-Speeches-Letters-Slavery/dp/B008NYTT0W) Gilbert Haven, The Higher Law: “We have shown that when any human law is opposed to the evident decisions of divine law, those edicts are to be disobeyed both in what they command us to do, and in what they command us to refrain from doing. To give us a right to act… Read more »
Jack Bradley
9 years ago
Haven: “But a plea is set up by some teachers, political and religious, with much vociferation and pertinacity, that attracts attention, bewilders the judgment, and therefore merits consideration. It is said, that although, under some circumstances, the course here laid down may be our duty, yet, as we are situated, under a Constitution that, it is declared, recognizes this system, as a national institution, we are morally bound to obey the laws based on this recognition, even if they clash with the laws of our Creator. We have shown that civil government is based on the social faculty, an inferior… Read more »
Jack Bradley
9 years ago
Haven: “When, then, we are convinced of the immorality of a law, if we would render to God the things that are God’s, we are oath-bound of conscience to refuse compliance with its demands for cooperation, to disobey its commands to desist from the right which it opposes, and to throw our influence against it, so as to destroy its energy and compel its repeal. . . . In Christ, not in the Constitution, must we put our trust. On His law should we meditate, not on that which again nails Him, scourged and bleeding, to the fatal cross. His… Read more »
Four heterosexual couples reestablished humanity after all the perverts got drowned. God sent the rainbow as a sign He’d never again drown all the perverts. This makes the perverts happy.
“The God of peace will soon crush Satan under your feet. The grace of our Lord Jesus be with you.” Romans 16:20.
Jack Bradley
9 years ago
Ryan, I can appreciate much of what this Canadian pastor says, but his article is just so fundamentally flawed, as one of his respondents pointed out: ‘It appears to me this post’s recommendations are pacifistic, taking persecution lying down. Take this course and you give up your First Amendment right to the “free exercise of religion.” The author wrote, “1. The church has always been counter-cultural” Agreed, but the church also must affect the culture as salt and light. “2. It’s actually strange to ask non-Christians to hold Christian values” The reason we “command all men everywhere to repent” is… Read more »
That aspect of the article bothered me as well. Well said.
Rev. R. W. Shazbot
9 years ago
While I appreciate what Rev. Wilson is trying to communicate, it comes off as weak, reactionary, and petulant. Like Rev. Toby Sumpter’s article today at Theopolis, When Obergefell Falls, it also reeks of false bravado. It’s easy for Rev. Wilson to pose defiantly trampling a rainbow Stars and Stripes as if he has mortally crushed the serpent’s head, and it’s easy for Rev. Sumpter to write “This means that the more humanly impossible a situation begins to look, the bigger the grin on the faces of His people. It’s beginning to look a lot like Christmas, y’all.” Well, frankly, I… Read more »
Gregory, I like the picture and I think it is not “false bravado” but real genuine bravado.
I think Wilson’s philosophy on the culture wars has always been to use humor and satire and gentle mocking to make his (very serious) points. I think this flag pic is consistent with who the man is (and I mean that as a good thing).
DCHammers
9 years ago
Is there a prize for being the first one to make the Bill Ayers connection?
Great catch. And what is the meme? Someone creative needs to ape the Ayers one.
Rev. R. W. Shazbot
9 years ago
I didn’t catch that Rev. Wilson was parroting the famous photo of Bill Ayers. Which makes it not just weak, reactionary, and petulant, but derivative, too. On top of which, it misses the entire point of the original, which is that Bill Ayers was gloating because the radical left of the 60s has been successful in destroying the old America represented by the flag. Rev. Wilson’s photo would have made sense if homosexuality and gay marriage had always been legal in America, but after a 40 year uphill battle by Christians, the Supreme Court had just banned gay marriage nationwide… Read more »
“Most Christians will crack in the valley of the shadow of death. In a few decades, the majority of evangelical churches, Bible schools, and parachurch ministries will officially approve of same-sex marriage.” It’s a refining process. It’s necessary from time to time, and we certainly need it. But the refining does not destroy the gold; it destroys the dross, and purifies the gold. “But, this Jesus fellow will crack in the valley of the shadow of death. We’ll crucify him. In a few decades, nobody will have heard of him or his pathetic fishermen followers.” “But, these miserable followers of… Read more »
Today the majority of “evangelical churches,” various Bible schools, seminaries, and confessions (e.g., Westminster Confession of Faith 24.5) either tolerate, approve, endorse, or encourage adulterous marriage unions. They have been doing so for a long time. Of course, it’s no surprise that the Great Whore would not discipline physical (and especially not spiritual) adultery. So you predict yet another abomination will be added to her golden cup?
“Christians just lost a huge war, and all the happy talk in the world all won’t change that, nor will putative jabs at Bill Ayers. Ayers and his ilk won, and Christians lost.” Why? Do you think the war is over? Sure they won an important battle, but there’s still plenty of battles to fight before they can claim victory.
Plenty of battles still left? Hmm. I’m not so sure of that. The last big one is probably to shut down homeschooling. They’ll have many evangelicals and Reformed leaders assistance in that. In the wake of Obergefell, look for many Christian leaders to double down on racial diversity to prove that they’re loving and inclusive. They may well start criticizing homeschoolers as exclusivists who may be well-meaning but are risking their kids growing up to be somewhat racially prejudiced due to lack of contact with non-whites. It’s really, really hard to square a love of racial diversity with homeschooling, as… Read more »
What about all the hippie unschoolers? Lots of professor’s kids in that group who won’t be quick to give it up. Homeschooling isn’t just for Christians anymore. Online education looks like it is here to stay even for public schools. When state budgets look like California’s, they need it.
Yes, you never know, and I don’t want to ever underestimate what they will try to do next…in my own life time, the changes have been extreme, but its hard to imagine they will be successful with homeschooling. Who knows, maybe they will make a mandatory PC class with testing at the end! I get your point, we know how the story ends, but the upcoming years for our children, are indeed going to challenging. That is no joke.
Go troll somewhere else gov’t/ Fed agitator plant. You smell something wicked from high heaven. We got your pathetic game…go troll with the girls at a misogynist blog. Come back with another identity I will call you out again.
We have three co-ops in our area and I couldn’t say how many ethnic groups are involved, for one I don’t pay attention, but this is Ca. Where could you live that isn’t fully represented? I have a kid too, so logically, we have never seen a kid who has never seen a kid…I heard about one once, his name was Boo! Edit: And of course those super shy, socially awkward kids are in public schools too. They are the ones who are bullied and come to your class at break just so they don’t have to be in the… Read more »
Yes, Rev. Wilson does engage in happy talk from time to time. And no preacher’s words are 100% based on the Bible. But I didn’t have Rev. Wilson in mind with my reference to happy talk here. As is clear from my earlier comment, I was referring to Rev. Toby Sumpter, who wrote about Obergefell: “This means that the more humanly impossible a situation begins to look, the bigger the grin on the faces of His people. It’s beginning to look a lot like Christmas, y’all.”
I can’t recall ever seeing a more egregious example of happy talk.
Jack Bradley
9 years ago
Gregory, speaking of the Freedom Riders, we could learn much from those heroic figures, especially Martin Luther King and his Letter from a Birmingham Jail: “We know through painful experience that freedom is never voluntarily given by the oppressor; it must be demanded by the oppressed.” “A law is unjust if it is inflicted on a minority that, as a result of being denied the right to vote, had no part in enacting or devising the law.” “One who breaks an unjust law must do so openly, lovingly, and with a willingness to accept the penalty. I submit that an… Read more »
Jack Bradley
9 years ago
“When the first principles of civil society are violated, and the rights of a whole people are invaded, the common forms of municipal law are not to be regarded. Men may then betake themselves to the law of nature; and, if they but conform their actions to that standard, all cavils against them betray either ignorance or dishonesty. There are some events in society to which human laws cannot extend; but when applied to them lose all their force and efficacy. In short, when human laws contradict or discountenance the means which are necessary to preserve the essential rights of… Read more »
Stan McCullars
9 years ago
I can’t believe he would stand on the official flag of public schools everywhere.
Hah! Brings new meaning to that old show “Reading Rainbow”
Jack Bradley
9 years ago
John Dickinson, chairman of the Committee for the Declaration of independence, said in 1776:
“Our liberties do not come from charters; for these are only the declaration of pre-existing rights. They do not depend on parchments or seals; but come from the King of Kings and the Lord of all the earth.”
Malachi
9 years ago
Can we get a similar photo where this flag is on fire, and a crowd of Christians are dancing joyfully around it?
That would make me feel quite swell…
The American flag (or Confederate flag) is not protected from burning, but rather the one burning the flag is protected, under the label of “free speech”. What about burning of the rainbow flag? We will see which is protected, the flag or the speech. Will that speech be labeled “free speech” or “hate speech”? This is all about who the privileged class is, and Wilson may yet flush them out.
You can really buy a rainbow Stars and Stripes? Or did you stand on a real flag and Photoshop it?
Google it. They are for sale.
There is even a Rainbow White House even, some might say it looks like the house a clown lives in…
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2015/06/30/for-obama-rainbow-white-house-was-a-moment-worth-savoring/
Sic semper homotyrannis!
#GodHatesFlags
Great picture. Douglas. I think you are giving “feet” to this passage I just now read. Haven was preaching in 1850 against just-enacted Fugitive Slave Act, requiring everyone everywhere to assist in returning escaped slaves. But his words apply just as aptly against the Obergefell Act. (http://www.amazon.com/National-Sermons-Speeches-Letters-Slavery/dp/B008NYTT0W) Gilbert Haven, The Higher Law: “We have shown that when any human law is opposed to the evident decisions of divine law, those edicts are to be disobeyed both in what they command us to do, and in what they command us to refrain from doing. To give us a right to act… Read more »
Haven: “But a plea is set up by some teachers, political and religious, with much vociferation and pertinacity, that attracts attention, bewilders the judgment, and therefore merits consideration. It is said, that although, under some circumstances, the course here laid down may be our duty, yet, as we are situated, under a Constitution that, it is declared, recognizes this system, as a national institution, we are morally bound to obey the laws based on this recognition, even if they clash with the laws of our Creator. We have shown that civil government is based on the social faculty, an inferior… Read more »
Haven: “When, then, we are convinced of the immorality of a law, if we would render to God the things that are God’s, we are oath-bound of conscience to refuse compliance with its demands for cooperation, to disobey its commands to desist from the right which it opposes, and to throw our influence against it, so as to destroy its energy and compel its repeal. . . . In Christ, not in the Constitution, must we put our trust. On His law should we meditate, not on that which again nails Him, scourged and bleeding, to the fatal cross. His… Read more »
Epic.
This is good: http://adam4d.com/dont-hate/
He seems to think that sodomy is somehow equivalent to sex. Not much you can do with that mindset.
So, why do they get the rainbow as a symbol? It was our symbol first, and we want it back.
Four heterosexual couples reestablished humanity after all the perverts got drowned. God sent the rainbow as a sign He’d never again drown all the perverts. This makes the perverts happy.
It’s not really a rainbow, which includes more and different colors. And the bow also requires a SHAPE, without which the definition fails.
They use their rainbow flag to trample our rights. http://tinyurl.com/qevyobj
Well done
“The God of peace will soon crush Satan under your feet. The grace of our Lord Jesus be with you.” Romans 16:20.
Ryan, I can appreciate much of what this Canadian pastor says, but his article is just so fundamentally flawed, as one of his respondents pointed out: ‘It appears to me this post’s recommendations are pacifistic, taking persecution lying down. Take this course and you give up your First Amendment right to the “free exercise of religion.” The author wrote, “1. The church has always been counter-cultural” Agreed, but the church also must affect the culture as salt and light. “2. It’s actually strange to ask non-Christians to hold Christian values” The reason we “command all men everywhere to repent” is… Read more »
That aspect of the article bothered me as well. Well said.
While I appreciate what Rev. Wilson is trying to communicate, it comes off as weak, reactionary, and petulant. Like Rev. Toby Sumpter’s article today at Theopolis, When Obergefell Falls, it also reeks of false bravado. It’s easy for Rev. Wilson to pose defiantly trampling a rainbow Stars and Stripes as if he has mortally crushed the serpent’s head, and it’s easy for Rev. Sumpter to write “This means that the more humanly impossible a situation begins to look, the bigger the grin on the faces of His people. It’s beginning to look a lot like Christmas, y’all.” Well, frankly, I… Read more »
Heh….. Old Gloryhole… I see what you did there.
Gregory, I like the picture and I think it is not “false bravado” but real genuine bravado.
I think Wilson’s philosophy on the culture wars has always been to use humor and satire and gentle mocking to make his (very serious) points. I think this flag pic is consistent with who the man is (and I mean that as a good thing).
Is there a prize for being the first one to make the Bill Ayers connection?
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_pS7sKjlzwFg/S2vbw9uP3oI/AAAAAAAAFBg/9GUSFRGELFo/s320/william-ayers-american-flag-poster11.jpg
Great catch. And what is the meme? Someone creative needs to ape the Ayers one.
I didn’t catch that Rev. Wilson was parroting the famous photo of Bill Ayers. Which makes it not just weak, reactionary, and petulant, but derivative, too. On top of which, it misses the entire point of the original, which is that Bill Ayers was gloating because the radical left of the 60s has been successful in destroying the old America represented by the flag. Rev. Wilson’s photo would have made sense if homosexuality and gay marriage had always been legal in America, but after a 40 year uphill battle by Christians, the Supreme Court had just banned gay marriage nationwide… Read more »
“Most Christians will crack in the valley of the shadow of death. In a few decades, the majority of evangelical churches, Bible schools, and parachurch ministries will officially approve of same-sex marriage.” It’s a refining process. It’s necessary from time to time, and we certainly need it. But the refining does not destroy the gold; it destroys the dross, and purifies the gold. “But, this Jesus fellow will crack in the valley of the shadow of death. We’ll crucify him. In a few decades, nobody will have heard of him or his pathetic fishermen followers.” “But, these miserable followers of… Read more »
“Ayers and his ilk won and Christians lost.”
I don’t think I’ve read a more foolish sentence.
“Waiter – more happy talk, please!”
Today the majority of “evangelical churches,” various Bible schools, seminaries, and confessions (e.g., Westminster Confession of Faith 24.5) either tolerate, approve, endorse, or encourage adulterous marriage unions. They have been doing so for a long time. Of course, it’s no surprise that the Great Whore would not discipline physical (and especially not spiritual) adultery. So you predict yet another abomination will be added to her golden cup?
“Christians just lost a huge war, and all the happy talk in the world all won’t change that, nor will putative jabs at Bill Ayers. Ayers and his ilk won, and Christians lost.” Why? Do you think the war is over? Sure they won an important battle, but there’s still plenty of battles to fight before they can claim victory.
Plenty of battles still left? Hmm. I’m not so sure of that. The last big one is probably to shut down homeschooling. They’ll have many evangelicals and Reformed leaders assistance in that. In the wake of Obergefell, look for many Christian leaders to double down on racial diversity to prove that they’re loving and inclusive. They may well start criticizing homeschoolers as exclusivists who may be well-meaning but are risking their kids growing up to be somewhat racially prejudiced due to lack of contact with non-whites. It’s really, really hard to square a love of racial diversity with homeschooling, as… Read more »
What about all the hippie unschoolers? Lots of professor’s kids in that group who won’t be quick to give it up. Homeschooling isn’t just for Christians anymore. Online education looks like it is here to stay even for public schools. When state budgets look like California’s, they need it.
Well, hippies and liberals aren’t telling their kids that God created Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve.
Yes, you never know, and I don’t want to ever underestimate what they will try to do next…in my own life time, the changes have been extreme, but its hard to imagine they will be successful with homeschooling. Who knows, maybe they will make a mandatory PC class with testing at the end! I get your point, we know how the story ends, but the upcoming years for our children, are indeed going to challenging. That is no joke.
Go troll somewhere else gov’t/ Fed agitator plant. You smell something wicked from high heaven. We got your pathetic game…go troll with the girls at a misogynist blog. Come back with another identity I will call you out again.
Did Idaho legalize smoking Jimson weed?
There will be more battles as long as there are ways to fight, the fight over gay mirage isn’t over because one side has more legal suport.
I have never seen a homeschooling family that keeps their kids away from all other kids, and neither have you.
The most stereotypical, insular, scared of their own shadows, odd-looking homeschooling family I ever met….
I met at a homeschool co-op that involved about a hundred people. And not all of us were white.
We have three co-ops in our area and I couldn’t say how many ethnic groups are involved, for one I don’t pay attention, but this is Ca. Where could you live that isn’t fully represented? I have a kid too, so logically, we have never seen a kid who has never seen a kid…I heard about one once, his name was Boo! Edit: And of course those super shy, socially awkward kids are in public schools too. They are the ones who are bullied and come to your class at break just so they don’t have to be in the… Read more »
Gregory,
“As for me and my house we shall serve the Lord” is not bravado.
I am not afraid.
Yes, Rev. Wilson does engage in happy talk from time to time. And no preacher’s words are 100% based on the Bible. But I didn’t have Rev. Wilson in mind with my reference to happy talk here. As is clear from my earlier comment, I was referring to Rev. Toby Sumpter, who wrote about Obergefell: “This means that the more humanly impossible a situation begins to look, the bigger the grin on the faces of His people. It’s beginning to look a lot like Christmas, y’all.”
I can’t recall ever seeing a more egregious example of happy talk.
Gregory, speaking of the Freedom Riders, we could learn much from those heroic figures, especially Martin Luther King and his Letter from a Birmingham Jail: “We know through painful experience that freedom is never voluntarily given by the oppressor; it must be demanded by the oppressed.” “A law is unjust if it is inflicted on a minority that, as a result of being denied the right to vote, had no part in enacting or devising the law.” “One who breaks an unjust law must do so openly, lovingly, and with a willingness to accept the penalty. I submit that an… Read more »
“When the first principles of civil society are violated, and the rights of a whole people are invaded, the common forms of municipal law are not to be regarded. Men may then betake themselves to the law of nature; and, if they but conform their actions to that standard, all cavils against them betray either ignorance or dishonesty. There are some events in society to which human laws cannot extend; but when applied to them lose all their force and efficacy. In short, when human laws contradict or discountenance the means which are necessary to preserve the essential rights of… Read more »
I can’t believe he would stand on the official flag of public schools everywhere.
Hah! Brings new meaning to that old show “Reading Rainbow”
John Dickinson, chairman of the Committee for the Declaration of independence, said in 1776:
“Our liberties do not come from charters; for these are only the declaration of pre-existing rights. They do not depend on parchments or seals; but come from the King of Kings and the Lord of all the earth.”
Can we get a similar photo where this flag is on fire, and a crowd of Christians are dancing joyfully around it?
That would make me feel quite swell…
The American flag (or Confederate flag) is not protected from burning, but rather the one burning the flag is protected, under the label of “free speech”. What about burning of the rainbow flag? We will see which is protected, the flag or the speech. Will that speech be labeled “free speech” or “hate speech”? This is all about who the privileged class is, and Wilson may yet flush them out.