The Content Cluster Muster (08.31.17)

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An Important Conversation

Desiring God is leading an important charge on the issue of the Christian view of human sexuality. It is currently titled: “The Nashville Statement.” This is an important conversation to have, and I look forward to how it progresses, all for the glory of God. There are many good things said here, but at the same time I would urge us all to say more than this. More later.

READ THE NASHVILLE STATEMENT HERE

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MeMe
3 years ago

Here’s my take on the Nashville statement

https://insanitybytes2.wordpress.com/2017/08/31/vagueity-vague-vague/

Eric Stampher
Eric Stampher
3 years ago
Reply to  MeMe

Kind of agree with you.
For this kind of statement to be promoted by me, it’d probably actually need to be shorter & simpler & more direct.
Example — why does Article 1 need to talk about marriage as:
“… meant to signify the covenant love between Christ and his bride the church”??
What the heck is covenant, in this context?
And how does whatever it’s supposed clarifying how, for example, two nonChristians in a marriage are supposed to be?

Lloyd
Lloyd
3 years ago

Anyone know what the reviewed rpg is? Maybe it was in the video and I’m too dense. A game where you just hit the space bar? Maybe there’s finally a game I can win…

Michelle
Michelle
3 years ago

In my view, Matthew Lee Anderson has offered an excellent example of what Doug may be meaning about there being more to say regarding the Nashville Statement. https://mereorthodoxy.com/nashville-statement/ A very good read.

Jonathan
Jonathan
3 years ago
Reply to  Michelle

Certainly a good read, but I had a hard time imagining something like that coming frog Doug.

That statement backs off the partisan lines to get at the heart of the matter, while I was under the impression (from many of his previous posts) that Doug was suggesting the Nashville statement wasn’t drawing the partisan lines hard enough.

Jonathan
Jonathan
3 years ago
Reply to  Michelle

And, exactly as I predicted, here’s the Pastor Doug’s actual objections (all about harder line/drawing between the righteous us and the evil “others”) in the next post. Quite different from your link: “Not on the table is any idea of stopping this historic transition, or turning it back. But we are dealing with sexual totalitarians, and maneuvers of modest containment won’t work. Maneuvers of modest containment are how we got ourselves to this place of historic transition. And “find ourselves”? We don’t find ourselves anywhere we didn’t willingly come. Notably missing from the statement is any acknowledgement of the great… Read more »

Michelle
Michelle
3 years ago
Reply to  Jonathan

What I hear Matthew Lee Anderson observing is how absent repentance is from the Nashville statement, how absent is any acknowledgment of the Church’s failures, our ongoing failures in the arena of biblical sexual morality. This echoes Doug’s critique of “finding ourselves.” The statement starts, as Doug observes, with the done-dealness of the issue, which may actually be applauded by some as a kind of admission that we’ve lost the culture wars, but it neglects to own that the church of Christ is at fault in why they were lost. The tone of the statement proceeding from this blinkered place… Read more »

Jonathan
Jonathan
3 years ago
Reply to  Michelle

“Those obvious manifestations of the “spirit of our age” are not the ones we should worry about; it is those that are not obvious, the subtle temptations that lure us in without us realizing their deadly force.” That is perhaps the most important statement of the central theme of Matthew’s essay. And it goes against everything Pastor Wilson does on this blog. He is incredibly obsessed with the obvious manifestations of the spirit of our age”, with homosexuals and communists and feminists and leftist professors and antifa all among his favorite targets. Take his posting history on nearly any social… Read more »

Katecho
Katecho
3 years ago
Reply to  Jonathan

Jonathan wrote: Pastor Wilson, on the other hand, placed his focus on those “sexual totalitarians” we are dealing with and our failure to put up “stiffer resistance” to their revolution. In his book, Father Hunger, Wilson spends a good deal of time addressing the Church’s role and contribution to modern sexual confusion, so Jonathan is simply in error to suppose that Wilson is “obsessed” with only what the “sexual totalitarians” have done. I thought Jonathan had read Father Hunger. If not, then he needs to read it before he makes any more blunders like this. If he has read it,… Read more »

Jonathan
Jonathan
3 years ago
Reply to  Michelle

One more quote because it’s so pertinent to the difference: “The second principle follows on the first: the spectacles of obvious disagreement happen precisely because we have not been more focused on ordering our own houses. I suggested above this statement fails to meet a minimal, biblical standard for expressing judgment. Jesus’s demand that those who seek to correct others examine the planks in their own eye is framed in an interpersonal context, to be sure. But the same principle is given ecclesiastical form when Peter suggests that “judgment begins at the house of God.” The latter verse is interesting… Read more »

bethyada
bethyada
3 years ago
Reply to  Michelle

The problem is that you can get so specific that orthodox people can’t agree to a statement.

As far as apologising for the church’s failures, that does not need to be part of this statement. One can affirm a timeless statement and also affirm a temporal apology.

Jonathan
Jonathan
3 years ago
Reply to  bethyada

I think the issue is in failing to acknowledge the actual root of the church’s failures in your statement. If your statement doesn’t get to the core of the things you’ve actually been doing wrong, perhaps it’s the wrong statement.

I’ve read the link Michelle posted twice now, and liked it even more the second time. He’s really on point here.

Joey
3 years ago

I literally just had an aneurism laughing at the DOT DOT DOT video…. Funniest. video. ever.

Joey
3 years ago

Are these books available on kindle?

kyriosity
kyriosity
3 years ago
Reply to  Joey

Yes. There’s a Kindle (.mobi) download option for all but one. There was no way to render the formatting of the poetry in “The Book of the Seven Seals” that wasn’t a total mess, so we could only do that in PDF. But it’s worth the read even so!