Epimenides, Lewis, and the Van Tillians

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Introduction

One of the difficulties that hampers our efforts in apologetics is an unfortunate tendency that we have in projecting New Testament categories back into the Old Testament. What this amounts to is that Christians tend to make a simple equation between Jew and Gentile in the Old Testament as being equivalent to Christian and non-Christian in the New Testament era. But this is simply not the case.

In the New Testament era, because the Church is now catholic and universal, it is necessary for everyone who wants to be saved to come to Christ for that salvation. They must call upon Him, and when they do, they have a responsibility to then be baptized in order to come into the visible Church. The elect among them are part of the invisible church.

“Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.”

Acts 4:12 (KJV)

In short, those who want to be saved today need to become Christians. But was it necessary for those who wanted to be saved in the Old Testament to become Jews? Well, not a bit of it.

Old Testament Goyim

We have multiple examples of Gentiles trusting in the God of the Jews, but without becoming Jews themselves. For ease of reference, let me pack just some of them into one paragraph for you.

We have Naaman the Syrian (Luke 4:27), and after his conversion (2 Kings 5:17) he was even given permission to push his master’s wheelchair into the house of Rimmon (2 Kings 5:18). We have the king of Nineveh and all his people (Jonah 3:6ff). We have Jethro, the priest of Midian (Ex.3:1). We have Melchizedek, a Canaanite priest and type of Christ to whom Abraham paid tithes (Gen. 14:18; Heb. 7:1-2). David stored the Ark of the Covenant at the house of a Gentile, Obed-edom (2 Sam. 6:10)—and he was a Gittite, which meant he probably graduated from the same high school that Goliath did. Later on, this Obed-edom was made a porter at the Tabernacle of David (1 Chron. 15:18). And when Solomon built the Temple, in his prayer of dedication he assumed that various Gentiles would pray toward this Temple, and would be received (1 Kings 8:41-43). And then when Jesus made a whip and cleared out the money-changers and the sellers of sacrificial animals, He was clearing out the Court of the Gentiles in order to make room for them to worship. “And he taught, saying unto them, Is it not written, My house shall be called of all nations the house of prayer? but ye have made it a den of thieves” (Mark 11:17).

Gentiles are simply not the non-Christians of the Old Testament. Quite a few of them were unbelievers, true enough, but then again, that was the case for the Jews as well.

The Curious Case of Epimenides

Now this being the case, what would make us think that the only saved Gentiles from the time of the Old Testament would need to be actually referred to by the Old Testament in order to be numbered among the saved?

So let us consider the odd case of Epimenides, a wise man from Crete, who lived in the sixth century before Christ, right around 600 BC. This would make him a contemporary of Jeremiah and Ezekiel. We can begin with some of the things that Paul says about him in his instructions to Titus, and then look at what Paul says and does when he comes to Athens.

Paul quotes him favorably in his letter to Titus, and in that place he calls him a prophet. Not a false prophet, mind you, but a prophet—”even a prophet of their own.” We don’t have any complete texts by Epimenides, but we do have various citations of him in different places. And according to one reconstruction of a portion of a work of his called Cretica, Epimenides was responding to some Cretans who had been maintaining that Zeus had been a mortal once instead of being essentially divine. He was so much a mortal in their account that they had built a tomb for him, which Epimenides did not appreciate at all.

“They fashioned a tomb for thee, O holy and high one,
The Cretans, always liars, evil beasts, idle bellies!
But thou art not dead: thou livest and abidest forever,
For in thee we live and move and have our being.”

Epimenides, Cretica (reconstructed)

You may recognize that last line as well—Paul quotes it in his sermon to the men of Athens (Acts 17:28). And this means it might be a good time to pause that discussion in order to talk about the relationship that Epimendes had with Athens.

Centuries before, the city of Athens had been suffering under a grievous plague, which they attributed to divine retribution for an act of treachery that one King Megacles had committed when he slaughtered some men who had surrendered under an amnesty. The Athenians had many gods, as Paul noted centuries later, and they had sought to propitiate them all, but to no effect. The fierce plague continued. The Pythian oracle then told them to send to Crete for Epimenides, which they did.

When he arrived, he had them build numerous altars to an “unknown God,” which they then did. The places where the altars were to be built were identified by sheep lying down at an unusual time in the morning instead of grazing. When they sacrificed to this unknown God, a remarkable thing happened—it stopped the plague. This placed a sharp distinction between this set of sacrifices and what they had been attempting in their sacrifices to false gods before.

In addition, Paul had made a sharp distinction as well. He had been horrified by all the idols, temples, and altars that he saw there in Athens (Acts 17:16). The verb used indicates that he was provoked, vexed, or exasperated by all of it. But there was one altar that he was not vexed by . . . an altar that Epimenides had had them build. We know that this altar did not provoke him because he preached to them that the God who was ignorantly worshiped at that altar (Acts 17:23) was the God of all creation.

Now this true God presides over all the nations of men, and why is this? According to Paul . . .

“That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us: For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.”

Acts 17:27–28 (KJV)

There are two citations here. One likely one is from Epimendes, in praise of the immortal Zeus, and (in the reconstruction) just two lines away from the passage that Paul quoted in his letter to Titus. The next citation is from a poet named Aratus, a Stoic poet from Cilicia, which incidentally was Paul’s own province. That quotation comes from another hymn to Zeus entitled Phaenomena.

So then some Gentiles are groping in the dark, seeking after God. In order to reconcile this with what Paul teaches us in Romans 3, which is that no one seeks after God, we must postulate that God was at work in their midst by various means, such as unlikely prophets. “And this, not of themselves lest any man should boast.”

Now clearly, not every Zeus is Zeus. There is the originally mortal Zeus that the Cretans thoughtfully built a tomb for. That’s not it. There was also the Zeus of folklore, the Homeric Zeus, famous for his skirt chasing and other inappropriate activities. That’s not it either. But then there was the Zeus of the philosophers, the Theos who had created all things, the Most High God. This vague deity something that Paul was willing to work with. Epimenides knew the true God . . . through a glass darkly. He knew that He had to be there, but did not appear to know His name.

Lewis Among the Pagans

In a number of places, C.S. Lewis argues that the untutored pagans did not get absolutely everything wrong. In the light of the foregoing, it seems undeniable to me that his central point is correct, and entirely biblical.

As the hermit History puts it in his allegory, The Pilgrim’s Regress, the Landlord (God) would send the pagans glimpses of something beyond themselves by sending them pictures. And the pagans would try to capture it in order to hang on to it . . . but it would never work out. Their image of the divine would regularly become diseased.

“They went on making up more and more stories for themselves about the pictures, and then pretending the stories were true. They turned to brown girls and tried to believe that that was what they wanted . . . There was no absurdity and no indecency they did not commit. But however far they went, the Landlord was too many for them. Just when their own stories seemed to have completely overgrown the original messages and hidden them beyond recovery, suddenly the Landlord would send them a new message and all their stories would look stale.”

The Pilgrim’s Regress, p. 155

The fact that Lewis was looser with his charity than he should have been—think of Emeth in The Last Battle—does not mean that the central point is wrong. It just means that Lewis applied the point more liberally than perhaps was wise. The point still stands.

How that point from the Old Testament would apply to a pagan people in Central America in the year 200 A.D. would not be for us to pry into. The judge of the whole earth will do right (Gen. 18:25). I think we should rest content with the words of the Westminster Confession, which says that outside the church, there is no ordinary possibility of salvation.

Van Till and the Van Tillians

So let’s bring this down to Van Til. In my view, the great contribution that Cornelius Van Til made was in the field of epistemology. He demonstrated that apart from presupposing the triune God of Scripture, it is not possible to make any coherent truth claims at all. In my reckoning, this is self-evident—and this is why I count myself among the Van Tillians.

At the same time, I am not well-versed enough in all of Van Til’s works to say whether or not he dealt with a problem I see adequately, but I can say that a number of Van Tillians I have interacted with have fallen into a trap related to this. The trap consists of thinking that if a man cannot give a coherent account of his knowledge then it must mean that he doesn’t actually have that knowledge.

But no. Men know all kinds of things without knowing how they know. This is a place where I believe there is a lot of miscommunication between apologetic camps. Van Tillians often say that an unbeliever doesn’t know something when what they actually mean is that he cannot give an account of his knowing.

So, in the light of all the foregoing, did Epimenides know God? Will we meet him in the resurrection? Comments are open on this one, so discuss among yourselves. As always, behave.

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Logan Joseph Ramsey
Logan Joseph Ramsey
6 days ago

Appreciate your work Pastor Doug. Van Til said that unbelievers simultaneously know and don’t know. Knowledge is justified true belief, and since unbelievers can’t give an account for knowledge, they don’t truly know. But in a softer sense, they do know things, just without an epistemologically self-conscious warrant.

He expressed this once by saying, unbelievers can count. They just can’t give an account for counting.

Daniel
Daniel
6 days ago

Exactly. If knowledge is justified true belief, the belief of those who do not fear God in whatever they may believe is not justified, therefore it is not knowledge in that sense. However since they actually do know that there is a God they should worship, they do have knowledge. However they themselves deny this knowledge which they do have and thus make fools of themselves.

Murk
Murk
6 days ago

Job put his hope in the coming saviour. He was not a Jew – as there were none yet. Same can be said of Adam and Enoch. The schoolmaster was there in the middle – until Christ Paul noted. Once the formative years have passed there is no need to hold the rope. And once the book was finished no more had to be written by the people of the book. Don Richardson mentioned in Eternity In Their Hearts, that many through out time who did not have the word who knew that God exists. The Peace Child ritual performed… Read more »

David Anderson
6 days ago
Reply to  Murk

> “So the same would apply for those who have not heard of the lamb. Or read his book.” That’s a large and unwarranted leap. Naaman, Melchizedek, Job and Obed-Edom were all recipients of special revelation. The Sawi people of New Guinea also received special revelation, and Don Richardson never makes any suggestion that they were saved before that revelation came to them through missionaries and they responded by believing the gospel. Things in their culture providentially prepared them to respond to the gospel. I see no relationship between any of these facts and what is said in the article… Read more »

Murk
Murk
5 days ago
Reply to  David Anderson

Did you come to this reply by special revelation? As everyone else who ever lived did? Though they don’t use words the heavens declare the glory of God (God through a person who let spit run on his beard to make it believable that he was crazy) Since the creation of the world, God’s eternal power and divine nature have been clearly seen (God through Paul through a letter to the Romans) The word is supreme yes So if a donkey or rock is needed to bring it – so it will be done. No one ever found Jesus –… Read more »

Jeff
Jeff
6 days ago

While we can’t know for sure, you make a strong case for why we might see Epimenides there.

And you point out something I hear in many lectures by Bahnsen – that unbelievers know things, they just can’t account for how they know them.

David Anderson
6 days ago
Reply to  Jeff

I think it’s worth pointing out that this point of Bahnsen’s is no more than an observation universal to all Christians who’ve ever thought about apologetics. Has anyone ever heard of anyone who asserted either that unbelievers don’t or can’t know anything in any sense, or that they can still account for the fact that it’s because of the Triune God that they know him even whilst they deny him? He hasn’t said anything in this observation that’s specific to Van Tillianism or presuppositional apologetics.

David Anderson
6 days ago

In my view the conclusions of this article simply reflect and flow from the inherent problems in Van Til’s own thought. Van Tillians must endlessly debate how to reconcile Van Til’s assertions about when knowledge is and isn’t valid (leading to his assertions that a presuppositional approach is the only faithful or valid way to approach an unbeliever) and Van Til’s modifications of those assertions based upon what he thought was possible through common grace. Different Van Tillians will come up with different solutions to this and discuss what that means in apologetic practice, and much time can be spent… Read more »

David Anderson
6 days ago
Reply to  David Anderson

Along similar lines, it’s interesting to read this from John Frame, one of Van Til’s students and a professed Van Tillian – https://frame-poythress.org/van-til-a-reassessment/ . The same article could have had the same core content, whilst tweaking the more incidental parts, to become an article titled “why I am not a Van Tillian”. Or to say it another way, if the substance of this article had been included in Keith Mathison’s recent “Towards a Reformed Apologetics: A Critique of the Thought of Cornelius Van Til”, in which Mathison provides a critique in explaining why he decidedly isn’t a Van-Tillian, then it… Read more »

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Greg Krehbiel
6 days ago

Ah, Van Til. I recall two things very clearly about Van Til. (1) All his fans said he was a genius, and (2) they also said “nobody understands Van Til.”

TedR
TedR
6 days ago
Reply to  Greg Krehbiel

I am not sure what that tells us about Van Til. All that you have offered is something about his admirers.

Greg Krehbiel
4 days ago
Reply to  TedR

It says that he didn’t write very clearly.

Grant Bullis
Grant Bullis
6 days ago

Van Til makes it very clear in his systematic theology book, in Defense of the Faith, and in a variety of his essays that the unbeliever being made in the image of God can know things and does know them, but cannot give an account for them. Furthermore, the unregenerate man uses the innate knowledge that was revealed to him in both nature and scripture in order to deny the triune God and make gods of their own (Romans 1).

I really do not know why there is a miscommunication.

Randy
Randy
6 days ago

Could you connect with further comment on the saving faith that pre-Christ, non-Jewish people might have had with the the idea of salvation through faith in Christ alone for all believers in both OT and NT? (OT believers look forward to Christ / New Cov. belivers look back in faith to Christ). If those outside the Jewish community could have saving knowledge of God outside the covenant–what was the purpose of the Jewish community and covenant in the Old Testament?

Murk
Murk
5 days ago
Reply to  Randy

Job – who was not a Jew, knew his redeemer lived. It was impossible for the Lamb not to be slain – as God had spoken and he does not lie. The deal was done and could not be thwarted. We can look at this the other way as well. Before Eve ate the apple; She had to have a reason to negate the word of God – to justify taking a bite. That reason came in a clever deception. She would decide which one of the two voices was right. Requiring raising herself higher than God to do so.… Read more »

Suzanne Lyon
Suzanne Lyon
3 days ago
Reply to  Murk

Bravo

John Middleton
John Middleton
6 days ago

Epimenides, like everyone else, will be judged not according to his knowledge but according to his deeds. Unless he, acknowledging his sin, threw himself on the mercy of God, trusting God’s willingness and ability to forgive and save. Could he have done that much without knowing specifically how God would provide for salvation?

Hopeful as I may want to be on behalf of all people, does what Paul said to the Ephesians in Ephesians 2:11-12 not also apply to the gentile Epimenides?

Apollos
Apollos
5 days ago

Lewis’ claim that pagan mythology was semi-inspired, that all myths are typos fulfilled in Christ just as the Old Testament was really can’t mesh with a biblical view of the world. The God of the philosophers is farther removed from YHWH than Alla. The current Lewis-like stance of natural law… that man’s instincts about God are generally true and all cultural views reflect God but just need refining… needs to be dismissed. We can accept his good ideas without pretending his ridiculous ones have any merit. I simply cannot ignore the explicit statements about false religion in the scriptures, though… Read more »

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Joel Mohrmann
Joel Mohrmann
4 days ago

What was quoted from Lewis above reminded me of something similar that G. K. Chesterton observed: “…[H]e who has most sympathy with myths will most fully realise that they are not and never were a religion, in the sense that Christianity or even Islam is a religion. They satisfy some of the needs satisfied by a religion; and notably the need for doing certain things at certain dates; the need of the twin ideas of festivity and formality. But though they provide a man with a calendar, they do not provide him with a creed. A man did not stand… Read more »

Bro. Steve
Bro. Steve
4 days ago

Best thing I learned from reading a smidge of Van Til: The most important fact in the universe is God Himself. He is a fact that bears on every other fact. You don’t really understand anything if you think you know it apart from Him.

Corey Reynolds
Corey Reynolds
11 hours ago

I bring up an interesting angle to this question in my book, Cybermillennialism. If we end up building a digital heaven that can contain actual souls (and not just copies), and then later – in the far future – we learn to tap into the eternal divine light hidden behind the firmament and find a way to travel through time, then it may be up to that future generation of believers (which we would now call ‘angels’ or ‘messengers’) to do the work of binding and loosing on earth so that it may be bound and loosed in heaven. They… Read more »

David Ehrlich
David Ehrlich
10 hours ago

“Melchizedek, a Canaanite priest”- might I propose he was Shemite priest? It seems unlikely that a Shemite (Abraham) would have tithed to a Hamite (Canaan). Seems more likely he was a ‘King of kings’ where the Cannanite vassal kings bowed to Shem as was prohesised.