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Miscegenation Related

In light of Matthew 5:32 and Luke 16:18, would I be correct in assuming that it is never a good idea to marry someone who has been divorced? I realize this is a bit off the topic of your great article, but thank you for your time and input. God bless you!JT
JT, the topic is close enough. The fact of a divorce in someone’s story is something that should never be dismissed or taken lightly. Before a new relationship gets serious, a person should know what happened and why. It is lawful for some divorced individuals to marry again, but the strictures that Jesus places on it apply to more people than we might want to think.
Re: Marriage, Miscegenation & More
Considering the moral/covenantal reasons for the ban on marriage to the Canaanites et al (reinforced by the anachronistic mention of the peoples in Ezra 9:1 and frequent reference to “abominations” throughout the chapter), I think it’s fair to say that the only interracial marriage prohibited by Scripture is the one between a person of the old race in Adam and a person of the new race in Christ (1 Cor. 7:39).Jace
Jace, thank you.
Study Bibles
I’ve enjoyed your content for a few years. My son is going to be turning 13 soon. I want to give him a special study Bible that he could use going into his adult years. Kind of a special “Sword” as he’s becoming a man. I was wondering if there was a study Bible that you recommend.Andrew
Andrew, I am not a big study Bible guy, so take this for what it is worth. I would look at the Reformation Study Bible (NKJV).
ICE and Deportations
I stumbled upon Interesting Times Podcast with Ross Douthat through this blog and your interview with him. And since then I have listened to virtually all of his episodes. He seems to strike a tone and idea that comes up over and over with his guest. I’m paraphrasing but, “most everybody can agree that immigration policies, especially under Biden were a catastrophe, but the seemingly lack of compassion and at times outright joy in how the right has approached the crack down on immigration is out of step with many core Christian tenets.” From my vantage this actually seems like a pretty widely held belief but not obvious online (although I’m not on Twitter or anything else like that, mostly relying on good old fashioned conversations.) Classifying all immigrants as rapist and violent law breakers is so obviously false. But if you want to step up efforts to remove these individuals from our midst, go for it. But having grown up in the US and having a perspective for how blessed we are with opportunity and not being able to sympathize (notice I didn’t use the work empathize :) ) with the plight of millions of people just doesn’t seem right. I guess I’m just yearning for somebody like you with a platform to come out and say, “this sucks, this is hard, my heart breaks for them,” without having to finish that sentence with but the law is the law man.Jimmy
Jimmy, right. But simply to express that sentiment, without finishing the thought, would be to miscommunicate what you believe.
How would you respond to the following argument: If would be lawful for a city to become a “sanctuary city” as a place of safety, based on biblical truth, for the unborn against the government (perhaps by outlawing the ability of women living in the city to receive by mail any kind of birth control, and then government officials came to the streets to deliver them to houses and so the city residents started blocking their paths in the streets, etc.), then it can also be lawful for a city to become a sanctuary city as a place of safety for illegals, based on biblical truth, against the government. This is not to say Minneapolis and other such cities are grounding their morality in biblical truth. But imagine if a Christian were in charge there, and the Christian magistrate felt convinced that it was the Christian duty of that city to guard against the government exercising what seemed to be cruel or unlawful search and seizure, or the magistrate felt convinced the government was in direct violation of biblical law to refuse to welcome the alien, similar to how a magistrate felt convinced it was unlawful for the government to support any sort of abortion.
Thanks for your consideration.Nick
Nick, to set the stage, I do believe in the doctrine of interposition. I believe that lesser magistrates have the right to step in and refuse to comply. In the same way, I believe that police with a warrant can raid a house. But that doesn’t mean that if they make a mistake and raid the wrong house that it is “all the same.” It is not all the same. We can’t categorize both as a simple house raid. In other words, it matters who is in the right. Interposition on behalf of the unborn would be righteous. Interposition on behalf of rapists, killers, and gang-bangers is unrighteous.
I have learned much from looking at the libraries of others when I am in their house. Sadly, a library is not the same as a completed book list. I have greatly enjoyed researching titles from your booklist each year, and have learned much as well. I have found puritans, reformers, and many of your own books that I wouldn’t have otherwise found. So first, thank you for posting this list! Second, when can we get your list from 2025?? I will wait because I must. Thanks so much for all you do. Keep it up.
P.S. Additionally, it would be AMAZING to get a list of your top recommendations of all time from your list. Of course Lewis, Tolkien and others would be there, but as YOU look back on your 40 years of reading, which books stood the test of time, and will continue to impact readers for years to come?Drew
Drew, thanks. The 2025 list is in process. As for my list of bangers, I can give you a short one off the top of my head. A more thought out list is in the back of my book The Case for Classical Christian Education. But with your permission, I will dash off ten now—five fiction, five non-fiction: That Hideous Strength, The Lord of the Rings, Code of the Woosters, The Horse and His Boy, Treasure Island, Idols for Destruction, Ideas have Consequences, Calvin’s Institutes, Messiah ben Joseph, and We Become Like What We Worship.
Permissions?
Thank you for your great efforts to spread your insight of CCE to as many people as possible. My husband and I are two of those who have benefited from your ideas very much.
We are a small group who are trying to start a classical Christian school in UK. We would like to launch a magazine to spread the idea of CCE. We find your books ‘The Case of Classical Christian Education’ and ‘Repairing the Ruins’ and other books are very precious messages to share with Christians in UK.
Would you please grant us permission to use some of your writings?
Looking forward to your reply. May the Lord bless your labors abundantly.
With kind Christian regards,Yaxian
Yaxian, permission to draw from and to quote freely is happily granted. Anything more (e.g. reprinting) would have to be obtained from Canon Press. Anything on education you find here on the blog you have permission to use.
Membership and Submission
Prompted by your post from it on church membership I have been reading Mines of Difficulty. It has been edifying to me, thank you for writing it.
How would you balance the need to submit to leaders in the church with the need to be careful who you allow to have spiritual influence in your life? How would you differentiate between allowing leaders to help you refine the inner man and protect oneself from controlling and manipulative men?
I have had to leave churches; I believe I was right in doing so. I have rejected my parents imposition of Bill Gothard’s teaching/ATI, left a PCA church due to its new pastor’s manipulative false gospel of wokeness, and now left another PCA church due to the spiritual arrogance of its leadership. As a parting gift the elders are disciplining me and saying they must “treat me as an unbeliever.” Leaving a church seems like the ultimate act of defiance of its leadership and I feel guilty for doing so.
Some ungodly leaders in the church broadcast warning signs; others hide their true character. In this latter case it seems like the only way to determine if these men are godly is to get close to them, and this is accomplished largely through church membership. Am I correct in this? Honestly, I am really reluctant to engage with church membership again and place myself in a situation where I may repeat these experiences.
Thank you.Michael
Michael, yes, your observation is correct. But also remember that the same uncertainty exists for the church receiving a new member. They don’t know if they are receiving a fruitful parishioner, or a toxic disaster. These are the risks of living in a fallen world. But remember that it is not necessarily a lack of submission to move from one church to another. It is not like marriage. If you move to another city, you take your wife with you. But you join another church. Just try not to leave in a spitting grease fire.
The End of Slavery
I hope all is well in this decidedly non-snowy winter. Thank you for your response regarding the post-Civil War consensus a few weeks ago, I found that very helpful! I had read Black and Tan a couple of months ago, so I found your response reassuring. Moving forward, I’ve been piecing some other puzzles together since I first asked that. Perhaps you could also answer this question: it seems to me that, post the Civil War, most Americans believe that, to enact change, it must involve the government. As Kuyperian-esque Reformed Christians, we know that laws can catechize people. We also know that sometimes the most lasting & meaningful change comes from the ground up. There’s a nice tug and pull, a healthy balance. Should we, necessarily, have abolished slavery at the federal level? Or, should we have incrementally abolished it? Does how we abolished slavery play into, even, race relations today?
Also, is this necessarily the way that we ought to handle things in the future? This might play into the smash mouth incrementalism versus abolitionism debate regarding abortion. I hate to make things all messy and muddly, but it seems that that is our culture’s MO at the moment.
So many questions, but sometimes one answer can create multiple different question paths. Grateful for you and praying for you!ON
ON, slavery is gone and good riddance, but the consequences of the way we ended slavery are not anywhere close to being gone. So yes, I believe we should have ended slavery peacefully and incrementally. But keep in mind that I don’t believe the war was over slavery, although slavery got caught up in it.
Security Teams
With the recent “protest” that happened in the Minnesota church I was wondering if you could speak to what the appropriate action by pastors and congregants should be if that kind of thing happens again. We have a safety team in our church and I imagine if something like that happened during one of our services that those people would have been physically removed from the building. Of course in situations like that you don’t always know what could happen. People might be armed and have intent to do violence. With having young children in the congregation there are responsibilities for parents to protect their children as well. Would you advocate for physical violence in any capacity if a church service is being taken over like that? What would you have done in that situation? Thanks for all you do!
Sincerely,Josh
Josh, you are right to distinguish an active shooter situation from a simple disruption situation—while keeping in mind the fact that a thoughtless response to the latter could escalate into the former. I tend to think that the response to a disruption should involve robust psalm singing.
Russell Moore
This morning I listened to your latest podcast about Russell Moore’s recent article about Romans 13. I was a student at Southern Seminary when Moore was the Dean of Theology and taught Christian ethics. His ethics class was actually one of the more engaging classes I had there. I’ve since watched his career and wondered who this new Dr. Moore is. It’s been strange. Listening to your podcast, I was reminded of the final exam we took, dealing with immigration and Romans 13. I don’t remember my response, and I don’t exactly remember what Dr. Moore said either, but I thought you’d be interested in the ethical question that was posed. It would be something if you might ask him to answer his own ethics question, as well as ask him if his answer has changed in the last 15 years. I’m guessing there are some former students who might remember his response from back then. The ethics question is still posted at this link:Lonnie
Lonnie, yes. I have heard from others that Moore is in quite a different place than he used to be.
A Course of Reading
I heard you stepped into pastoral ministry without seminary and built your theological foundation through dedicated self-study and tons of reading. I’m getting married in four months and, as someone who already enjoys reading, I’m eager to start studying theology more seriously (and how it intersects with education, politics, economics, culture, etc.). Since you’ve been through that season, I’d love any quick pointers: What books would you suggest as strong starting points, especially a first systematic theology? Confessions or catechisms to read early on? What’s a helpful order or approach for someone beginning intentionally? And from your experience, any big dos and don’ts, habits that kept it fruitful, pitfalls to avoid, or ways to make it life-giving rather than overwhelming with life ahead?
I’m someone who can read anytime and anywhere, I read on the train, at the bus stop, on the underground, and even during lunch.
Thanks so much, and blessings on your ministry!ANK
ANK, I would suggest two things. First, give yourself over to plodding. It sounds like you are in a good position to do that. Second, if you have ministry down the road in mind, for systematic theology, I would recommend Calvin and Turretin. But I would also give yourself over to constant Bible reading, and reading up on biblical background (read a wheelbarrow full of F.F. Bruce). Also historical theology, as in Cunningham.
Envy and Economics
You have pointed out that the left hates white people and whiteness because of how Christian “white people” and “whiteness” are. I don’t disagree, and I want to suggest an additional angle. I think what the left hates, more than anything else, is natural and normal hierarchy—because natural and normal hierarchy is divine appointment. When one looks at everything recognizably left wing, what is hardest to miss is the seething, reeking hatred of obvious distinction of really superior and really inferior. We whites are not superior because of our skin color or our genes. But it is obviously true that white people are currently at the top of the totem pole of civilization. We are in that position because of a combination of fortunate circumstances and choices with fortunate outcomes (all of which is grace), although Asians may eclipse us in 50 years or less and Jews would probably already eclipse us if they were more numerous. I don’t think it’s just that we remind them of God; I think it’s that our prosperity reminds them that they are NOT God (and that God gets to prosper whomever He wills).Daniel
Daniel, I believe that there is much in what you say.
Quite Right
“If an elder in the church is called to be hospitable (1 Tim. 3:2), and he is, does it follow that he needs to invite all the residents of all the homeless shelters in his city to come over for dinner that night, and to do so without telling his wife?” AND to go to his neighbors’ houses to force them at gunpoint to empty their pantries to prepare the menu?Kyriosity
Kyriosity, exactly so.
Pattern Recognition
I was just looking over [a Christian nationalist] website in it’s section called “The Jewish Question” and I see two problems in their thinking.
#1 They don’t go far enough in their pattern recognition. They don’t include the positive effects that the Jewish community has contributed in other areas as you mention in your book, American Milk and Honey. Any intellectual endeavor, whether good or bad, you will find the Jewish community over-represented. When you exclude certain data points in your pattern recognition, you end up with skewed conclusions.
#2 The whole “Jewish Question” section is infused with Gnostic thinking. There are many evil things where Jews are disproportionately involved. That is hard to argue against. The question is: Why is their Jewish ethnicity to be blamed for that involvement rather than some other variable? How would one conduct the investigation to find out? And on the positive side, how would I go about proving that Jews were disproportionately represented in the Austrian school of economics BECAUSE of their Jewishness? How does one go about investigating the central factors in a person’s makeup to determine why they’re doing something evil? That investigation needs to be done before we lay these evils at the feet of an entire ethnicity. Has it been done? I have my doubts. If it hasn’t been done, then this is simple Gnosticism. “I just know they did these evil things because they are Jews. I just know, you know. When you have a special handle on the truth, you don’t have to deal in mundane things like evidence, right?”
I think they should change the name of the section to “The High IQ/High Performance Question” instead of “The Jewish Question.” High IQ/High Performance individuals in rebellion against God will rebel in spectacular ways that us normal IQ rebels could not even begin to achieve. I say it’s their intelligence/high performance to blame, not their Jewishness that’s to blame. How would Andrew Torba and Stone Choir go about proving me wrong?Kelly
Kelly, thank you. This is a very important point, and I have not yet seen any serious attempt to answer it. Winston Churchill, a long time friend of the Jews, once made this point in an interesting way. He said that the Jews as a remarkable people gave us Christ and Christianity. But he also said, speaking of Bolshevism, that they were giving us Antichrist also—”this mystic and mysterious race had been chosen for the supreme manifestations, both of the divine and the diabolical.”
Are Nations a Result of the Fall?
I’m interacting with a fellow brother in Christ who takes the position that nations are a result of the Fall, and are therefore not a part of God’s created order or gracious provision for our good. He further argues that “ethnos” does not refer to nation-states in Scripture. In short, Christian Nationalism, in his view is heretical and syncretistic.
I’ve been reading through some of what you wrote on your blog about this, so I get the argument that, in the words of Bob Dylan, “You’re gonna have to serve somebody.” But we are still hung up on whether nation states are a part of God’s good design or something that the people of God should move past.
Any thoughts on that questions would be much appreciated.Joe
Joe, there are only two directions we might go from our current system. Toward globalism, which is simply the nation-state writ large. We would not have eliminated nation-states, but rather eliminated all but one. The other direction is a return to tribalism. So the question for your friend would be which direction does he want to go?
Ah, Greenland
I ’bout spit coffee all over my desk . . .
ICE this, COVID that, consistency here, logic there . . . if you don’t want to enforce America’s borders . . .
“Greenland it is, then!”
LOL!! The fool digs a pit, but in the end he falls into it.Andy
Andy, yes. Borders are just a convention. And after the 101st Airborne does its work, all we need to do is say “no human being is illegal.” It is not an alien army. It is just an undocumented army.
Repenting of Marital Sin
“He repents of his ungodly marriage—to God, to his wife, and to his ex-wife. But he does not compound the sin by leaving his second wife, not at all.”
Doug, what does this look like? I imagine the following exchange . . .
“Gee honey, we’ve been married for a few years now, and I love you dearly, but I want you know I’ve recently come to repentance, and now I believe that we never should have married, and I have remorse for us getting married, but now that we are married, I want to stay married till death do us part, just know that I will always view you as the person I should have never married.”
For some reason I don’t see that working out too well . . .DJ
DJ, well, yes. Put that way, I don’t see it working out well either. But there are multiple situations where a marriage counselor, addressing current problems in the marriage, can trace it back to how they got off on the wrong foot. In many cases, this is glaringly obvious to both parties, but somehow not acknowledged in repentance. So confessing the fact that a marriage began in an adulterous relationship, say, would be a cleansing relief, and not a jab at the other party.
Harmonized Gospels
I’m using a chronological reading plan through the scriptures; as timing would have it I’m in the Gospels now and your post has made it clear to me that the author of my plan seems to think Mark was correct in his chronology and Matthew/Luke received their historical education from a public school. Can you recommend a chronological reading of the Scriptures, or perhaps just the gospels, that corresponds better to a high view of Scripture? Thanks!Ben
Ben, check this out. I found it quite good.
Is There a Responsible Version of Candace?
I’m writing here because I’m looking for the “reasonable” take on Charlie Kirk’s assassination and I can’t find it anywhere. It seems the world has divided into two camps: a) you accept the story the government has presented without question or b) you fully succumb to the beetle people.
I like your wit here in discussing Candace. If I were to give a witless take on Candace (wait, why does witless not mean the absence of wit) it would be that Candace is creating a type of slowly unfolding true crime drama. It needs to unfold slowly so the audience will keep coming back over a period of months. It needs to be a little (or a lot) unhinged to keep it entertaining. She’s VERY good at what she does. But there’s another key ingredient to this story line’s success. There are a lot of people that refuse to accept the government’s version of events. They’re looking for answers.
I’m going to give a partial list of points in the government’s story that don’t add up:
Charlie’s wounds seem to be inconsistent with a .30-06
The whole story of assembling/disassembling the rifle, hiding it in his pants, etc. seems implausible
Tyler’s text messages that seem to have the diction of someone like you (or someone who would use the word diction) rather than a 22 year old furry.
The actions of some TPUSA staff immediately following the shooting are . . . inexplicable (jumping over the table, gabbing the memory card out of the camera, passing it to someone else in a matter of seconds; or calmly walking away while talking to someone on the phone who you clearly dialed before the sound of the shot reached your ears and then your father lies, from the pulpit, about who you called)
For each of these points the government (or TPUSA) could clear things up by giving us more information. Instead of giving us more information they’ve went on the offensive against anyone who would ask these questions.
I kept this list short. I could certainly add more points. The body of issues that have been presented fall on a spectrum from reasonable to beetle people. I think all of these are max reasonable. There are more that are still very reasonable. But to keep going with the list is to make the slow trip to Crazytown, which is the trip Candace took over the last 3 months.
And that’s why I bristle at your article. It’s a fine article, but it exists in this bi-polar world where one pole is unreasonably receptive to the official narrative and the other pole is unreasonably receptive to beetle people. Bring the wit. But this is a time when we also need reasonable people to drop the wit and speak frankly about this subject. If you don’t it’s just going to push more people along the spectrum all the way to Crazytown. Because people that have considered the issues above and then read your article are likely to think that you’re using the wit to avoid discussing those very obvious problems with the official narrative and it gives them a little nudge toward Candace.Ryan
Ryan, thanks. But this is why we have trials, and this is why we wait for them. I have no objection whatever to the raising of honest and fair questions, which the defense is responsible to do. I also believe that we should not give automatic credence to an FBI that hasn’t told us the truth about Butler, PA yet. Now I happen to know the answers to some of your questions above, and I think they are reasonable answers. But if TPUSA released more information now, it would not make all of this go away. Can you imagine Candace saying, “Oops. Sorry. My mistake” ?That would just be chum in the water, and would make everything worse. We need to see it all laid out at the trial.
Another Country Heard From
How does the MOSSAD paedophile blackmail ring fit in with your evangerkical Zionist Jew-worshiping cult? By the way, traitor, the airwaves are free .You were blaming the crew of the USS Liberty for monitoring radio traffic. Helicopter gun ships were waiting to machine gun the survivors of the Liberty. Their bodies were meant to wash up on the coast of Egypt to trigger a war . Zionism is treason. Creep.Frank
Frank, aren’t you supposed to be in Minneapolis?
A Unique Question
Is there a biblical age for weaning? I have heard 3 before, but not associated with a specific verse. World averages range from 2-7 but does the Bible speak to it? If it does what is the age?OQ
OQ, the Bible does refer to weaning in a number of places, but I am not aware of anything that would indicate what the average custom was.
A Courtship Question
I recently read your book, “Her Hand in Marriage” and was grateful. I had already put into practice that the young man who desired to pursue my daughter must first meet with me. Dennis Rainey’s book “Interviewing Your Daughter’s Date” put in place years earlier. I modified the questions in the back of your book to interview a young man last month.
Cut to chase—A 22-year-old young man asked to court my daughter (almost 21). We met over video for 3 hours, because the campus (Grove City College) where they both attend is 300 miles away, making in-person difficult. He graduates in May with a biology degree and $128k debt. Other than that financial burden on the horizon, he is a fine young man who leads well and walks with the Lord. He has a good reputation on campus. I’ve advised them both to pump the brakes and not enter into a committed relationship until he “launches” into the world and demonstrates he can provide for himself first.
I know you can’t possibly advise “do this”, but any guidance or principles would be appreciated. I’m applying Proverbs 11:14; 15:22 by contacting you. Also, my wife asked me to and I trust her.
My sincere thanks,Keith
Keith, if everything else checks out, and your daughter is interested, then I would urge you not to pump the brakes too hard. Sure, if he graduated and went to live in his parents’ basement with $128K in debt, then go ahead and pump the brakes. Let him marry his video games. But if he lines up a job, and is being responsible, I wouldn’t put up any arbitrary obstacles.


Ok, so interposition is not categorically wrong. Which means you cannot, without hypocrisy, categorically object to any instance of interposition because it is interposition. You cannot fall back on “it’s-the-law”. By that token you cannot, object to illegal immigration, or advocating for illegal immigrants, on the sole ground that the immigration was illegal. You also cannot, without sinning, slanderously characterize people on whose behalf interposition is undertaken as rapists, killers, and gang-bangers unless you have proof that the characterization applies to them generally.
Out of curiosity, why couldn’t one fall back on “it’s the law” when determining when to apply interposition by a lesser magistrate? In the two examples given, a city mayor saying, “No, we will not allow the Feds to force abortion into my city” is juxtaposed to a city mayor saying, “No, we will not allow the Feds to force extradition of illegal alien criminals from my city.” I don’t see the hypocrisy here. Perhaps I’m missing something you have thought through but didn’t state here in explicit terms. Your conclusion that believing in the doctrine of interposition means one… Read more »
It is either categorically always and everywhere unlawful and unrighteous for a city to act as a sanctuary against the policy and actions of the federal (from here on national) government, or it is not categorically unlawful and unrighteous. Likewise, it is either categorically unrighteous for citizens to obstruct government policy and actions, or it is not. Wilson’s rationale had nothing to do with what the law requires or allows, but rather with in his opinion, “…who is right”. Okay, but then he, or anyone who agrees with him here, cannot complain against sanctuary cities simply on the basis that… Read more »
“If, for the sake of argument, their rationale is valid, would Wilson support them, or would he say ‘No, but the law!’?”
Given U.S. law and Rom. 13, their rationale is never valid. Hypothetical Anabaptist pondering is rotten theology.
In which case, given U.S. law and Rom.13, there is no valid rationale for resisting things you think are wrong either. Calvinist double standard is rotten theology.
The issue of sanctuary in the US has been here for some time. Today’s problem is that for decades, the immigration laws were not enforced because our elected officials failed to follow their oaths of office. If you look to the Bible, you will read that we are instructed to not murder. That is the stance, the solid foundation of scripture, that those against abortion stand on. We saw the same solid foundation based on scripture during the Covid-19 debacle. The state and local requirements to shutter churches, or to sit away from each other and not sing were America’s… Read more »
Most of what you cite is a mish-mash of complaints and accusations that are irrelevant to the question, so I’m not going to address where you are right or wrong on the merits.
If you believe U.S. law not absolute and could in principle be rightfully resisted then you have no right to condemn anyone else for resisting U.S. law on the basis that it is U.S. law and so may not be disregarded. If what matters is, who is right, then it doesn’t matter what the written law requires or prohibits.
Can anyone give us actual stats or facts about all of the law-breaking immigrants in the US that Doug and others like him espouse? Seems like y’all just want to demonize immigrants to create and protect the homogenous world you so desire. Jesus was an immigrant…was He welcomed or turned away? What did He have to say about the least of these? Sure, get or keep the “drug lords” and criminals out, but your swathy generalizations are terribly harmful to millions of innocents. Put yourselves in their shoes…
I don’t have a reference handy, but i believe around 70% of those targeted by ICE and being deported have a conviction or have been charged with some crime apart from their illegal immigration. The remainder seem to be either “guilty by association” with criminals, merely suspected of gang connections, or are indeed only guilty of illegal immigration. Obviously, apart from formal charges or convictions it becomes very difficult to get good statistics on the remainder or make logical decisions. We either trust ICE to be judicious in their pursuits or we do not. I struggle with that ~30%. It’s… Read more »
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/cbp-enforcement-statistics/criminal-alien-statistics
https://www.policinginstitute.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/Appendix-D_0.pdf
It’s hard to deny the facts if you actually take time to look at them. You think ICE is being judicious with deporting American citizens or shooting/killing people (including American citizens)?
Every foreign national who entered these United States illegally is a law-breaker, and a felon at that. Stating a simple fact like this doesn’t demonize them or express a desire to “protect” anything except the borders. Some of the illegal aliens go on to be kind and good neighbors, but so do some of the other felons in your town and mine. Some of them commit only the one felony and no others. But others of the illegal aliens go on to commit additional crimes. You appear fine with getting and keeping the drug lords and criminals out–your words–so do… Read more »
Every pastor who molests or sexually abuses someone is a felon. Where is the outrage or accountability for them? Sees a bit like a double-standard.
Jesus was an immigrant, as you even agreed, for a time. How can you say nothing about this situation even remotely applies to the modern US but still hold that other things in the Bible do? Pick and choose, eh? Remember those “choose your own adventure” books? Seems awfully similar.
What would you say to people who protected Jews during WW2? We’re the criminals? Again, double-standards…January 6 ring a bell?
and a felon at that
a) this is an administrative offense, similar to jaywalking or traffic infractions, and law in question is anti-biblical.
b) the President is a convicted felon. Convicted of dozens of counts, dozens more charges pending. And many many many many dozens more coming down the line.
c) Release the Epstein files, or STFU forever about “upholding the law”. Or are you just another “Christian” sex criminal trying to cover your tracks? They seem to be everywhere these days.
Wasn’t it put into law that the Epstein files needed to be released? Again, where is the outrage?!? Choose your own adventure…it doesn’t matter to them because trump is on their side and “anointed” by god.
It doesn’t matter to them because they worship power, not God.
They crave respect, not service.
If an invading army claimed to be just illegal immigrants, would resisting it be unBiblical?
There is no invading army in Minneapolis except ICE.
I appreciate that CREC folks think they can re-define words to obscure their intentions, but the rest of us find it pathetic. Childish. Unbecoming of anyone claiming to represent Jesus Christ.
Every white supremacist in history has played these exact same rhetorical games. It’s old hat, and it doesn’t work.
Anyone can be declared a felon via lawfare and kangaroo courts. The charges were considered a joke by anyone with a modicum of objectivity and grasp of the rule of law, particularly pre-Burger Court.
And stop pretending to take a “Biblical” stance on anything with your boomer trash theology. Your Christian betters from 100+ years ago wouldn’t recognize your postwar acid trip takes.
He was convicted by a jury of his peers. He was also indicted by other juries. His appeals were rejected. He was found civilly liable for sexual assault. His appeals were rejected. His claims of election theft have been rejected by dozens of courts. His appeals were rejected. His charity was shut down for fraud. His “university” was shut down for fraud. His is openly selling pardons to every crook and loyalist on the planet. He is a career criminal. That’s what you like about him. “a modicum of objectivity”? ROFL, you are liars, you have no facts, you practice… Read more »
A significant percentage of illegals are involved in identity theft, There was a story in Moscow during the first Trump administration. The banker involved told me the story. There was a woman who wanted to buy a house, so her credit was ran. It turned out an illegal was using her social security number to buy their own house. The banker told her to sell the illegal’s house from under him, Since it was her ssn, it was legally her house. According to the banker, she succeeded. The illegal tried to fight it, but was deported. Run credit checks on… Read more »
Good anecdote…any facts included?
Here’s one for you:
I once heard about a very powerful man with connections to sex traffickers…this individual also openly flaunted his affairs, is onto his third wife, has been accused and adjudicated for sexual abuse (not to mention financial corruption) and is, from his own words, morally deprived and does not need to ask for forgiveness from god, much less anyone else. Oh wait, these are facts…
Your story is meant to scare…no facts, no problem!
First of all, I cited my source, so take it or not, but it won’t hurt you to run a credit check on your dead relatives and report any fraud.to DOJ.
Uh, your source is the banker? Totally verifiable!
There is a huge category error happening in the immigration discussion among Christians. Yes, we have a Biblical mandate to treat the alien and the sojourner equitably. But there is no Biblical mandate for a nation to have completely wide open borders. It is perfectly acceptable for a nation to define and control its border. This means that anyone who enters that nation outside the defined process has broken the laws of that nation. They are not innocent, they are, in fact, criminals. Based on the concept of lex talionis, one equitable consequence for their actions is deportation.
Nations then and now are completely different. I would argue we’re more like the Roman Empire, so what does that tell us about how we treat immigrants?
There is also no biblical mandate for closed borders…so…
It seems just a little too convenient and neat that a nation could potentially close all discussion of just treatment of the stranger, just by passing a law that says that it has no obligations. Would such an act really render all other considerations irrelevant?
Right. Or, if you want to be a Javert, at least be a consistent Javert. Also, for those to whom it applies, (you know who you are) if you want to be a theonomist, be a consistent theonomist and not a hypocrite.
Trump was the easiest moral test there ever will be. So many “Christian nationalists” failed that test because they confuse self-righteousness with moral purpose. They are encouraged to do so by puffed-up profiteers like Doug Wilson, who has proven himself incapable of wise leadership. When the man you follow leads you into the same circles as Nikki Minaj and Greg Bovino, you can be sure that you are following the wrong guy. Maybe Doug believed his schtick once, but it’s clearly been a marketing act for a long time, a prosperity gospel for status-anxious white men. He’s damaged the witness… Read more »
As always with you leftists, accusations are confessions.
Look in the mirror:)
No… I didn’t support Trump. So I didn’t fail the easiest moral test there ever will be. And I don’t profit from putting a ‘Rev’ in front of my name and then slandering large numbers of people on the internet.
What about those who voted for Trump on a lesser of two evils basis?
They are doubly-obligated to oppose him now that it is clear that he wasn’t the lesser of two evils, he was the greatest evil that has ever been on offer.
What makes him the easiest moral test ever?
worse than Jackson, FDR, Harding, Hoover, Clinton, John Edwards, Newt Gingrich, Bush, Ron Paul, and Elizabeth Warren?
Yaxian, in practice, if you recommend resources from Douglas Wilson to theologically informed people in the UK, then they will wonder whether you are trying to set up simply a classical Christian school, or whether the place is intended as a trojan horse for all sorts of other things that you’re going to be pushing on them. You may, or may not, be in favour of any or all of those things (and maybe not even aware of them) and either way it’s your perfect right. But if you *don’t* want to signal to people that what you’re about is… Read more »
England has a state church of which King Charles III is the current head, and you’re worried about exporting Christian Nationalism to them, or even seeming to? I’m pretty sure pastor Wilson is a Christian. I gather (from two bios) king Charles is a dutiful, hard-working, well-intentioned (by his lights) man, but I don’t think he’s a Christian. Maybe the Moscow version could improve on the London one in some ways.
No, that would be an entire misreading of what I said.
It’s difficult to tie up Christian Nationalism with ‘my kingdom is not of this world’.
The very word nationalism is likely to meet a negative response in the UK and other parts of Europe, as the continent has experienced enough suffering and destruction in the name of nationalism. It doesn’t exactly have positive connotations!
It’s also not found in the bible. :-)
I believe that Christian Nationalists will labour the word “from” – origins. They’ll then point out “and yet the kingdom still is *in* the world, it’s not an invisible, Gnostic, spiritual kingdom of the sky”. What they overlook is the inference that Jesus and his apostles then draw: “else would my servants fight”. Because it’s not a worldly kingdom, it doesn’t advance via worldly methods, and it doesn’t consider that the political stage as the real one, the important one. Christ and the apostles, quite plainly, see the machinations of the political sphere as quite uninteresting, because the dawning of… Read more »
What shall it profit the church if it gain the whole world if the whole world lies in the power of the evil one?!
D. Wilson: “Politics will be saved, but politics is not the savior.” Geerhardus Vos, The Kingdom of God and the Church (published in 1903 by the American Tract Society): “..,it does not necessarily follow, that the visible church is the only outward expression of the invisible kingdom. Undoubtedly the kingship of God, as his recognized and applied supremacy, is intended to pervade and control the whole of human life in all its forms of existence. This the parable of the leaven plainly teaches. These various forms of human life have each their own sphere in which they work and embody… Read more »
So what you’re saying is that the kingdom can exist in the world, but should seek to become like the world or use the worldly methods to expand. Agreed. but then I’m not sure how you get from that to the only thing we want them to do is leave us alone. Yes, your argument is useful against those who want to impose Christianity with government power, however you forget the large number of more ordinary people who just want to proclaim the gospel to everyone (including politicians) and then, while still knowing that the important work is proclaiming Christ,… Read more »
I’m an informed UK Christian, and I don’t come to any of your conclusions. Doug Wilson is a much welcome influence, as is Seldon Hall.
Have you read Iain Hewitson’s book on Norman Shepherd / the Justification Controversy at Westminster? It comes with an endorsement from Donald Macleod, then Professor/Principal of the Free Church College, Scotland.
And plenty of UK guys took the EFS side in the Trinity debate (e.g. Mike Ovey). It is the Egalitarian Trinity (ET) folk that raise suspicion, especially after reading Charles Hodge on the matter.
1) You respond to a different post to the one I wrote, but 2) you actually illustrate the sort of thing I was talking about really well. If someone decides to go there, then they will be going there, so, they will want to think that through carefully.
Re. weaning age question: check out Phil Kayser’s book Conception Control. He cites various verses in support of age 3, if I recall.
What a mind-numbingly ignorant insensitive buffoon President Trump is. (More colourful language is available.)
I refer of course to his dismissal of the deaths of 457 British servicemen in Afghanistan, and also that of other European nations. What an insult to their families.
I wouldn’t dream of treating the memories and bravery of American servicemen who died in such a cavalier fashion, even though I think the whole war was dubious from the beginning.
I know you mustn’t speak evil of your people, but of course that doesn’t apply to me.