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Getting Esther Right

Excuse me? Did you just equate the faithful supplanter bride Esther with those who were given a certificate of divorce? In case I’m reading the story wrong didn’t the King put away the unfaithful Vashti, his first wife, because of her rebellion? Didn’t God serve His unfaithful bride from Sinai a certificate of divorce? I’ve never seen you miss the mark as much as you have on this one. It makes me sad. I love you and your work, and wish you all the best.

Benjamin

Benjamin, no. Esther was a faithful believer, and a heroine of the faith. That letter was written from the vantage point of an enemy of God, and thus everything was reversed. Like in Screwtape.
RE: Esther/Haman
[Insert mic drop meme of choice here]
Happy Early Purim to you too, Doug. Keep hitting them out of the park for the Lord Jesus. At the risk of sounding like one of your enemies, never stop being you. God Bless.
Touche.

JP

JP, thanks very much.

Presupp Civics

Would you consider your understanding of general equity theonomy as applying presuppositional apologetics to the civil sphere? Presuppositionalists argue for no epistemological neutrality. As you’ve argued, politics is downstream from culture, and culture downstream from worship/religion. Every political structure therefore is incapable of having worldview neutral first principles. It’s based on certain worldviews. When I first read you articulate thenomy, my mind immediately thought of presuppositionalism.
I’m grateful for your ministry!

Rafi

Rafi, yes. I am not sure that either one necessitates the other, but they certainly go together in my mind. I think it is a matter of identifying first principles, and then reasoning from them.

Hogging the Wealth?

I’ve always found it odd that one as postmillennial as yourself seems to have so little qualms about those from “all over tarnation” leaving their home churches to come join the Moscow crowd. While you aren’t necessarily actively inviting folks to do this, you certainly don’t dissuade them from doing so. Certainly it isn’t a sin, but doesn’t that show an ecclesiastical disloyalty that isn’t healthy long term for the Church Catholic? Isn’t postmillennialism all about the gospel’s spread? Isn’t it by its very nature partially about location and tending to one’s local church?
Are you concerned at all with the centralization of Moscow’s influence? I can easily see Moscow becoming the “Rome” of the CREC, the center of its greatest influence and power, with the Wilson family’s words carrying more ecclesiastical weight than other ministers and families in the CREC. In fact, I would argue that this is already the case from what I have observed. While you certainly have many industries there like Canon Press and Canon + that make it more prone to this, where are the safeguards against the centralization of authority? I’m PCA and while we might be older, I would argue we have no such central location of influence.

K

K, I agree that this is a matter of influence, but don’t believe it is an issue of authority at all. That said, we do export plenty of people, and believe that is a big part of the mission. And in many cases, it was not so much a matter of luring people here as it was a matter of blue state governors and flaking pastors that chased people here. And the way we are using it is by seeking to get to a critical mass that demonstrates how something like this is actually possible in the modern world. True communities can take root and grow. And if here, then why not elsewhere?

The Santa Question

How did you handle Santa?

AH

AH, we didn’t do anything, really. We did vestigial Santa things, like stockings, but we didn’t incorporate the North Pole into anything. That said, I don’t object to parents doing this, so long as they are telling a story, and not telling lies.

Cabinet Nominations

I’m enjoying watching the “hair on fire” response to the various people Trump has nominated for positions, but I don’t think that an ability to drive the progressives nuts is sufficient reason to support their nominations. In Hegseth’s case, his lack of administrative experience in such a role is concerning, but I’m ok with taking a gamble on someone. I am also willing to treat him as innocent of all the charges made against him (sexual assault and now drunkenness). What he hasn’t disputed is that he engaged in an adulterous liaison and considers himself a Casanova of sorts. Inexperience plus moral ambiguity is a concern for me. If he is a member of a CREC church, has he since repented of these things? Is he following a “never apologize” playbook as a tactic? Would a refusal to support him be a “blood in the water” opportunity for other nominees to be attacked? Just trying to get a read on this situation.

Nathan

Nathan, my understanding is that he has repented, and consequently is a member in good standing.

Oops

In your recent post, 7 Opportunities in the Trump Reprieve, did you mean Rehoboam rather than Jeroboam? 
Here is what you wrote:
But when young people fill themselves up with self-flattery and vain conceits, instead of with Scripture, they become puffed up and bloated, and they think they know far more than they do. They become Jeroboam’s young bucks, the ones who lost him most of his kingdom (1 Kings 12:10). The Word tells us not to think of ourselves more highly than we ought to (Rom 12:3), and the only path into this sort of wisdom and self-knowledge is to be steeped in the Scriptures.
Here is how 1 Kings 12 reads in context:
And king Rehoboam consulted with the old men, that stood before Solomon his father while he yet lived, and said, How do ye advise that I may answer this people?  And they spake unto him, saying, If thou wilt be a servant unto this people this day, and wilt serve them, and answer them, and speak good words to them, then they will be thy servants for ever. But he forsook the counsel of the old men, which they had given him, and consulted with the young men that were grown up with him, and which stood before him” (1 Kings 12:6-8)
His young and restless reformers cost him most of the kingdom.
God bless, brother.
Grateful for you and all you;ve done, are doing, and have yet to do.

Todd

Todd, oops. Yes. Fixed it. And not only did I do that, but I did that right before exhorting everybody to be “steeped in Scripture.”

Silence on Gaza

I had emailed you a few months ago, deliberating on whether you were just a propagandized boomer, or a coward. Now that more time has passed, I believe it is a mix of both, but the former doesn’t negate the sin of the latter.
I was an avid reader, and a buyer of your books for many years. I falsely believed you were a brave man, willing to say the hard truths. I no longer believe that. I now think you create a public persona of being a mischievous imp, calling out homosexuals and the absurdity of the gender lies, and other such soft targets.
But you won’t say a thing about the ethnic cleansing and slaughter of children going on in Gaza. Either you are compromised (I don’t believe this), a boomer who is unable to let go of WWII fables, or a coward.
How do you reconcile being a minister and not standing up for these innocent people? Have you not seen the videos of children being killed, men and women being raped, and buildings and civilizations being destroyed? I looked at your tweets, and you are constantly labeling anyone that dares tell the truth about Jewish power, either a Nazi, a racist, or an anti-Semite. All words created by Jews for useful idiots like yourself to use, in order to shut down conversation, slander people, and quell the cognitive dissonance fizzing inside your own mind.
To be silent while evil is being carried out is to be complicit in that evil. Why are you silent? You write puffed up articles to massage your own ego and create silly little things like NQN, when in reality, you aren’t being the brave, irreverent hero you’ve concocted in your own mind; you’re afraid or unwilling to say the truth. There is nothing different between you and the woke left; they also use slander against people that oppose them. You are no different. I dare you to call some of these brave men racists, Nazis and anti-Semites to their faces. Why don’t you go and call Jake Shields one of these ridiculous names to his face? No Doug, you won’t, because you are a coward.
I will pray that you come to your senses and repent and do the right thing.
“If anyone sins because they do not speak up when they hear a public charge to testify regarding something they have seen or learned about, they will be held responsible” (Leviticus 5:1).

Servant of the Lord

Dear Servant of the Lord, at least I sign my name to what I write.

A Musical Retort

Re “7 Opportunities in the Trump reprieve,” the 1st, worship, and specifically music—I’m for inclusive psalmody: include all of each as units, without excluding other music; love God, love God’s lyrics; I’d rather tell James Ward (CCM) Psalm 119 is a singable lyric than tell the Holy Ghost that it is not (and I have); I’ve sung thru The Book of Psalms for Singing dozens of times—but some music reformers reject beauties. The old Trinity hymnal has a tune I like a lot for “See the Conqueror mounts in triumph;” the new one, and Cantus, replace it, without leaving it as an option, with a piece of (bleep). I agree with John Frame about “Shine Jesus Shine” rather than with you. BoPfS has lots of tunes I find replacements for, but it also introduced me to tunes new to me that I like better than what I’ve heard from the new Cantus Psalter (63A, 92AB, 119AMN, 51B . . .) Psalms, yes; serious music, yes; but jackbooted pride in your musical taste is obnoxious sin.
Continued . . .
My former epistle may’ve had too serrated an edge (“piece of (bleep)”), but David’s wife Michal accused him of not worshiping as a serious Christian. (Did Jehoshaphat have dancers?) As Dr Fauci is a medical expert but I cannot trust him even about medicine, similarly (without the lies) I cannot trust musical experts about music; when they impose their taste, they come across as bullies, not experts, unless they carefully lead their flocks up to their (experts’) heights. Psalms, yes; Cantus, yes—it has a sound—but Cantus sound and musical reformation are not the same thing. Heaven features distinct tribes; doubt distinct styles of music? I Corinthians allows “every man has a psalm;” to keep decency and order, maybe schedule it in advance in a big church with a roll rather than take requests live, but allow for choices pastor and music leader (music servant??) would not make. (“The offhand taste of a genius is offhand taste”—Robert Caro in “The Master Builder.”)
I stated this, didn’t explicitly ask, but you’re welcome to respond at your discretion.

Andrew

Andrew, what I said was that “far too many” evangelical churches have drifted into a form of cotton candy worship. And it baffles me that this could be disputed. At the same time, I have worshiped in churches where the music was all contemporary and God-honoring as well. But that is not the norm.

Practical Resistance

I recall hearing you talking about a book you read about administrative law on your Plodcast, but I don’t remember if you said how we as Christians should approach compliance with inane legal requirements. Through several different situations in our life I’ve begun to think more about how heavy the government’s hand has gotten . . . and like the slowly boiling frog in the pot it has largely gone unnoticed . . . kind of. When and how do you think we should be OK with disobeying these laws? Here’s a few examples to make sure we’re on the same page in terms of the gravity of the laws I’m talking about. We couldn’t get a certificate of occupancy for our house without addressing the fact our front porch was higher than 30 inches off the ground yet didn’t have a railing (it was actually 29 inches in an effort to avoid this issue thank you very much). My kids can’t kill squirrels with their BB guns on our land in the summer without being in violation of the state’s game laws. And if they find an arrowhead, they violate federal law if they pick it up. I can’t find a shower head that gives me more than 2 gallons per minute. Thinking I should make my own or just remove it altogether. I need to pull a permit if I want a concrete floor in the woodshed I need to build. Or I could just build it and no one will ever be the wiser. I can go on. Is there a principle you have when thinking about this? In some cases, you can’t get around it, and you have to move forward, like the porch issue, so you really don’t have a choice. In other cases, you can get away with breaking the law (who doesn’t like fried squirrel in June?) but is that morally acceptable in God’s sight? And there is the risk/reward part. Is it really that big of a deal to just comply? But hey, that kind of thinking is what got us here in the first place to some extent. I want to think rightly about this and also raise children that know how to think about it too, and I always appreciate your clarity on the principles. God bless you.

Justin

Justin, when you have no choice but to comply, comply. When you could disregard a regulation, but the costs would be great if you were caught, do a cost/benefit analysis. It is not a sin to be wronged. You can give the mugger your wallet, but if you have the resources to resist, then resist. But you should not feel conscience-bound to obey illegal regulations. They are not just stupid regulations, they are unlawful regulations. And the book is Philip Hamburger’s Is Administration Law Unlawful?

Too Many What Ifs

What would have happened short- and long-term if the Confederate States of America had won the Civil War? Say, for sake of argument, that Lincoln loses the 1864 election and the next president decides to end the conflict.
Would there ever have been reconciliation? Would the Allies have won WWI? WWII?

Caleb

Caleb, I think Aslan would tell us that we cannot know what would have happened.

What Trump Reprieve?

What opportunities? What reprieve?
Doug, sometimes I’m genuinely puzzled at what you think you are seeing. Under the Biden administration were any Christians distracted away from doing the things you say we’ll now have the opportunity to do? Maybe some were, and in exhorting those Christians the word you are looking for is “repent.” Plenty of Christians were happily doing those things all along, whoever occupies the Oval Office having zero impact on their opportunity.
The only plausible exception might be Make Money, and even there the opportunity has hardly been lacking. Whether anyone in this fat land, and if so who, ends up with more money with Trump in the White House remains to be seen, but surely of all the “opportunities” you list, that one is the least important.
Now, reprieve from what, exactly? Our window of opportunity to do the things we ought to do is not two to four years, it is long as we breathe in this world, no human authority withstanding. A government can make it safer or riskier, relatively easy or a painful struggle, and maybe something like that is what you have in mind? You didn’t really say.

John

John, here is a practical example of the kind of thing I have in mind. It is not a matter of whether or not Christians can witness to a next door neighbor under Biden. I live in a community where the local government is unhinged when it comes to matters of selective prosecution. Their level of corruption kind of takes the breath away. My grandson’s Stickergate case is currently being appealed to SCOTUS. The composition of that court, and lower courts, matters a great deal. Because of Trump 45, we actually have a shot. A long shot, but at least its a shot.

CCM?

I enjoy seeing your “Songs I Like” section in the Muster. I’m wondering if there are any Christian artists you like, and is there any contemporary worship music you like at all? What are your thoughts on Contemporary Christian Music in general? Thanks.

Joe

Joe, I was in that world for some years ( used to be a concert promoter in the early years), but over time it lost its allure. That said, here is one of my playlists:

Abusive Wives

About 3 years ago a friend introduced me to you through “Reforming Marriage”, and it began a transformation in my thinking and beliefs about not only what marriage should be, but also extending to adopting postmillennialism and a general equity theonomy as I listened to more of your work and engaged the Scriptures. Others were also instrumental in my transition from a normie Baptist to a Westminsterian CREC’er, but over the past 3 years, I have shared much of your content with family, friends, and previous church leadership, whether overtly using your media or through discussing things you espouse.
I was very disappointed when I listened to the Abigail segment with you and your children as it resonated all too close to home in my own marriage. During the past 3 years, my wife has been subtly going behind my back, and, at times, overtly hostile toward my face as I have tried to explain all of the things I have been going through and my vision for our family. She has taken me before the elders at our previous church, who, unsurprisingly, sided with her, but without any accountability toward her for not wanting to follow my leadership in our home. Now, much could be said of feckless elders, but it seems that there is a lack of godly, discerning elders in the church at large (just look at what happened in COVID across evangelicalism). In a healthy church with solid leadership, I have much more confidence that a situation like that would be handled with more wisdom and biblical application, but those churches are not the majority these days.
Although my wife hasn’t mentioned Abigail, she has given me the same Abigail treatment you are prescribing to wives who believe they are married to Nabals, primarily because I was listening to you and your ilk. The irony is painful.
While I have several counterpoints to the Abigail topic, I will reduce it to this one. Essentially, it makes the wife the arbiter of wisdom and folly in a situation when she disagrees with her husband’s decisions. It functionally strips a husband of his headship and authority, which you have spilled much ink over in opposing. The story of Abigail is of a wife undermining her husband to save her own neck (and assumingly her family’s) in the name of a husband’s foolishness (not even in regards to a sinful action). I fail to see how it is prescriptive in our day and age when the preponderance of female sins are related to rejecting male headship and authority.
Over the past 3 years, I have attempted to patiently avoid forcing my wife’s hand, explaining at length my position on a whole host of topics, and have met with elders and other counselors at her behest to try to work through this situation. I’m not asking for a solution, but I wanted to write to express my disappointment at how much of your previous work has been undermined by sloppily handling this topic.
Far too many women today think they are being Abigails, when in fact they are neglecting to be Sarahs (whom they are actually commended to follow). I still appreciate your content and all the good that you and your family have done and are continuing to do.
Thanks for your willingness to listen,

Ben

Ben, here is the problem. In a sinful world, any godly teaching can be abused. Salvation by grace is abused by antinomians, for example. When you teach submission, husbands who are bullies can and do abuse it. When you teach godly resistance, stiff-necked wives abuse that. If a strange fit took you, and you were going to burn the house down, it would not be a problem for your wife to call in someone to restrain you until your senses returned. But just because that is true does not mean that she can call in the elders if you decide you want to paint the living room a different color than she wanted.
Thank you for recommending Edgington’s “The Abusive Wife” in your post on Abigail. I had never heard of the book, and ordered it immediately. I have read much material on what psychologists call “malignant Narcissism,” but would prefer a Christian perspective. I hope to give it to my elders to read, too.
Although female abuse was not the main point of your article, I appreciate you raising it as an issue. I suffered beneath the malicious tyranny of a controlling wife for years. When I finally informed my church and “brought things to a head”, the church did not consistently handle it well. My wife slandered me and lied constantly, making me out to be the bad guy, such that the elders were repeatedly fooled.
In the end, after much confusion in the church, her true character was revealed, howsoever well she tried to hide it. She would not repent, so, as you say, she promptly left me (to live with another man whilst still married to me) and “took the longhouse with her.” The church excommunicated her, justly so.
The reason I waited so many years to tell the church (actually, I had tried to tell our previous church some things, but the pastor blamed me and my wife was never held accountable—this made me keep things to myself a long while) must in part be ascribed to my ignorance of abusive control tactics. I was ashamed, and confused, as my wife incessantly accused and denigrated me, projecting all her sins onto me, and gaslighted me so much I came to believe I was the problem in the marriage. But once I understood what she was doing to me, I stopped giving into her threats, blackmail and other manipulative techniques; her tactics stopped working, so she left.
I pray books like these will alert the church to what seems an increasingly prevalent problem, that elders will know how to respond and minister to the abused.

MB

MB, yes. As the book makes clear, this is not an uncommon problem.

Phil Kayser’s Book on Child Communion

Couple of Q’s
1) Have you read Phil Kayser’s position on child communion? Thoughts?
2) When sharing the doctrines of grace with a family member, this person respectfully disagrees, but it always comes down to a very real close example. The example is my aunt. Essentially my family member will say something like: “So God predestined your aunt to have a terrible life full of sin, divorce, apostate daughters, etc. and predestined me to marry a Christian, have a Christian family, etc? How was any choice involved there? Where is the fairness, if God is going to judge us based on our thoughts and actions how is that fair or just on His part?”
Thanks.

Ben

Ben, I have that book, but have not yet read it. Sorry. I have appreciated his work in other areas.
With regard to the hard case scenario, I think too many Calvinists shrink away from the example instead of leaning in. The choice really amounts to hard providences being the result of a loving Father who will land everything correctly in the end, on the one hand, or an incompetent creator who lets us get caught in the machinery. After they have outlined what your Calvinist God did, you should say something like, “Fair enough. And now, what did your let-the-toddler-play-on-the-freeway god do? Why did he allow your dear aunt to be born into the circumstances she was born into? Answer me that.”

Courtship a Ways Out

I am a young man about two years out from being able to pursue a young woman in marriage. That said, I do have a particular woman in mind, and I have a good relationship with her. I have read some of your writings on marriage (Get the Girl, Future Men, and various articles of yours, but not yet Her Hand in Marriage), and in Get the Girl, you said something along the lines of going on a date is like playing with counters, not real money. My question is this: How do I, not yet being able to pursue this young woman in marriage, interact with her? In a sense, I’m not using the counters that are used in a dating context, I’m using placeholders that replace those dating counters. To rephrase my question, how do I use that second set of counters? Thank you for your time, I appreciate it very much.

N

N, you interact with her as a brother, in all sincerity. Until you are in a position to make a move, you cannot occupy an in-between space. There is no such thing as dibbies.

The Devil Made Me Do It

I recently read a chapter on peace, written by a highly regarded author in reformed evangelicalism. I won’t mention the author’s name to keep the emphasis on the topic rather then the writer. In the chapter he references 1 Peter 5, about casting your care on God because he cares for you. He mentions in our fight for peace, we often have thoughts like, “If God loved me, he would deliver me from this after I’ve asked and prayed.” He goes on to say we often then start kicking ourselves, knowing this isn’t how a Christian should talk. He links the next part of 1 Peter 5, regarding the devil being a lion to this. He asserts, these thoughts are actually from the devil, slandering God to us. He goes on to say there are plenty of occasions were we should rebuke our own hearts but this is not one. We should see this as an opportunity to “resist the devil” and have him flee. I would see how this kind of looks like “blame it on the devil” and can be a slippery slope. What are your thoughts? Do you tend to agree with the author on this specific application for peace? If so, can you think of any other areas of the Christian life were we are “fighting on the wrong front”?
Thanks,

John

John, I can see a problem if people blame the sin on the devil, but don’t see a problem with attributing temptation to the devil. Temptation can come at us from the world, the flesh, or the devil, and if we get the point of origin wrong it doesn’t really matter. So long as we are resisting.

Matthean Priority

A letter recently asked for recommendations on books which push back against 2-source/Markean priority and advocate for Matthean priority. I suggest that the more important question is the date of the earliest Gospel (which is naturally Matthew), as the biggest problem of the 2-source/Markean priority theory is the assertion that the disciples didn’t bother to publish anything for decades, except for non-extant proto-Gospels, and that the Gospel authors (whomever they were!) did a clumsy job of composing their own publications, when they finally got around to it.
Here are a couple favorites:
Daniel Moore, A Trustworthy Gospel: Arguments for an Early Date for Matthew’s Gospel, 2024.
David Alan Black, Why Four Gospels?: The Historical Origins of the Gospels, 2nd ed., 2010.
John Wenham, Redating Matthew, Mark & Luke: A Fresh Assault on the Synoptic Problem, 1992.
I list a variety of older books supporting Matthean priority on my web site: https://atrustworthygospel.com/historical-champions/.

Dan

Dan, thank you.
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Jeff
Jeff
8 days ago

Ben, the other thing is the distinction between God’s prescribed will and His decreed will.

Barnabas
Barnabas
8 days ago

Doug Wilson, you are truly a modern day Rahab.

Now that he’s been exonerated Id think that even a feckless establishment shill such as yourself could spare a word of support for Daniel Penny.

Last edited 8 days ago by Barnabas
John
John
8 days ago
Reply to  Barnabas

Modern-day Rahab? The one lauded by James for her faithfulness to God? An interesting insult, to say the least.

Armin Tamzarian
Armin Tamzarian
8 days ago
Reply to  Barnabas

You do realize the absurdity of asking one of your enemies (who is substantially more powerful than you) to dance for you, don’t you?

Barnabas
Barnabas
8 days ago

You can sense the power from all the groveling he does.

Armin Tamzarian
Armin Tamzarian
8 days ago
Reply to  Barnabas

Doesn’t matter, a guy like him has vastly more influence than you or I ever will. And Doug specifically has made it his mission to cast people like you out of the church. You need to accept that he despises you and people like you more than anyone. More than atheists, or “gay Christians,” or whatever. Beating the “Nazis” claiming to be Christian is his final, most important battle.

Yes, it’s complete madness but it does no good to deny it. And it’s equally mad to insist that a proven, explicit enemy fight one of your battles.

Andrew
Andrew
8 days ago
Reply to  Barnabas

I think the vast majority of people here are thankful Penny was exonerated, so you’re not gonna pin that on anyone.

PPM
PPM
8 days ago
Reply to  Barnabas

What do you think the percentage is of people who read this blog and have any doubts regarding what Doug thinks of Daniel Penny?

Barnabas
Barnabas
8 days ago
Reply to  Douglas Wilson

I hear ya man, there are only so many hours in the day and somebody somewhere may be blaspheming against our Jewish overlords.

Chris
Chris
7 days ago
Reply to  Douglas Wilson

“Extremely gratified”? Disgusting. I think a healthcare CEO does significantly more harm than someone going through a mental episode on a subway but your Calvinist worship of money is showing. Neither deserve what they got, but your statement says one certainly did. Probably because they are poor and black.

Dave
Dave
7 days ago
Reply to  Chris

Chris, decades ago, there were Christian funded hospitals that took care of the indigent and those with mental difficulties or other handicaps. Those were disbanded or covered in hundreds of feet of federal and state regulations prohibiting them from just taking care of the poor and handicapped. Neely was incarcerated and released more than forty times. The New York authorities knew he was an imminent danger to the public and kept releasing him. Skin color and economic status had nothing to do with the situation. Nothing except to give the race baiters a tiny handhold that was destroyed in court.… Read more »

Chris
Chris
7 days ago
Reply to  Dave

“Christians”made the hospitals that would have helped Neely, but you still think he deserved his fate. Typical Calvinist cherry picking hypocrisy.

You do realize you have Muslims to thank for the first hospitals, right? Of course not 🙄

Jill Smith
Jill Smith
7 days ago
Reply to  Chris

The Muslims made great contributions toward science but I don’t think they can be credited with the first hospitals. There was an early teaching hospital in Gondisapur (now part of Iran) in 300 AD close to three centuries before the birth of Mohammed. The Greeks had medical schools as early as 600 BC but no hospitals. There were, however, hospitals in what is now Sri Lanka as early as the fourth century BC. Hospitals became fairly common after Constantine’s conversion in the fourth century CE. He ordered that every cathedral in territory under his control have a hospital to serve… Read more »

Chris
Chris
7 days ago
Reply to  Jill Smith

Look at that, an honest appraisal. Doesn’t negate the death panels we institutionalize for the sake of shareholders and profit though. Why is our healthcare so expensive and so bad I wonder… Better deregulate so they can make more money off our suffering.

Andrew Lohr
Andrew Lohr
6 days ago
Reply to  Chris

Deregulate so costs will go down. If I know exactly what I need, why need I, or my insurance, pay a doctor for a prescription? ’70s? book Confessions of a Medical Heretic (a regular M.D., I think he’d even been on a state board in Ohio) said, as I recall, 70% of what doctors could do for you a good friend could do, and 20% of cases are hopeless; only in the other 10% do doctors make a difference. (Maybe 80-10-10?) I’m sure doctors’ percentage has gone up, but same idea still applies. I recall Readers’ Digest decades ago mentioning… Read more »

Chris
Chris
6 days ago
Reply to  Andrew Lohr

Regulation is why our healthcare is so bad? I think it has more to do with companies denying claims and sitting on giant piles of money that could be used for public health.

Where is your notion of healthcare practiced? In any of the other countries that rank higher than us? Or just in your head?

Andrew Lohr
Andrew Lohr
6 days ago
Reply to  Jill Smith

I once saw a statistic for the %age of 3rd world hospitals started by Christians. >50% including some in Islamic countries (Daktar…in Bangladesh, Multan Mission Hospital Pakistan) and in ancient China (Foreign Devil in China).

Chris
Chris
6 days ago
Reply to  Andrew Lohr

Source? Or just making stuff up?

Jill Smith
Jill Smith
8 days ago
Reply to  Barnabas

Oh, come on. He also didn’t write a blog post telling people who hate their health insurance companies why they really shouldn’t support the murder of their CEOs. Can we deduce from this omission that he has no opinion about it? Given that Rahab is hailed throughout scripture for her courage, wisdom, and faith, I don’t think your “modern day Rahab” gibe is likely to cause Doug any distress. I can see why you’re not likely to think highly of a Canaanite harlot who abandoned her own flesh and blood to help the Israelites. But God did which is arguably… Read more »

David Anderson
8 days ago

Looking at Christian history in recent centuries, it seems that few of those chosen spheres of activities includes politics manage to avoid the horrible compromises that they find and declare to be damning in their political opponents. So… > “Nathan, my understanding is that he has repented, and consequently is a member in good standing.” This, of course, is a good thing. But in relationship to the wider issue of whether he should now be commended and defended as a national leader, in much the same way as someone starving to death after prolonged malnutrition managing to get a couple… Read more »

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Perspective
Perspective
8 days ago
Reply to  David Anderson

Take care to keep context. First, i recommend judging Hegseth for political post in comparison to other political options and peers. The man’s repentance seems far better there than most, does it not? Even his sin is far less than all the murder-the-babies-mutilate-the-kids-inflame-wars nepotists, right? I get the temptation to hold Hegseth to a higher political standard because as a Christian we expect more and hold him to a higher personal standard. But take care not to confuse personal and political standards. They are not the same. I actually do recommend having dramatically lower (and thus more consistent) moral standards… Read more »

John Middleton
John Middleton
8 days ago
Reply to  Perspective

If it was 1. a murder-the-babies-mutilate-the-kids-inflame-wars nepotist who also was guilty of 2. the same sins Hegseth has committed, would you only make an issue of 1. or would you make an issue of 2.? I rather suspect in the case of someone they otherwise dislike many people now cheering for Hegseth would find his particular transgressions to be one more thing disqualifying. Interesting idea that a Christian occupying a position of high responsibility/authority ought to be held to a dramatically lower moral standard than other Christians. David and Solomon might disagree with you regarding Joab. Somehow I don’t think… Read more »

Perspective
Perspective
7 days ago
Reply to  John Middleton

held to a dramatically lower moral standard than other Christians Not what i said. I said ecclesial leadership. I will absolutely take a church member in good standing, having repented of many awful sins over some random guy who didn’t have a sordid past but is not a church member in good standing. I mean, seriously, y’all. Get some perspective! If Hegseth were some godless, secular-minded conservative with the right resume and just as bad a past, we wouldn’t even be talking about him. The press would not care. He’s under attack on these points specifically *because* he is an active church-going… Read more »

John Middleton
John Middleton
7 days ago
Reply to  Perspective

You said: ”I get the temptation to hold Hegseth to a higher political standard because as a Christian we expect more and hold him to a higher personal standard. But take care not to confuse personal and political standards. They are not the same. I actually do recommend having dramatically lower (and thus more consistent) moral standards for politicians (even Christian ones) or bankers or CEOs or the like, even more so in this “junior stage” than in latter stages.”. You were talking about personal standards. Since we have seen non-Christian and even non-conservative men excoriated and penalized for the same… Read more »

John Middleton
John Middleton
7 days ago
Reply to  John Middleton

Personal moral standards

Perspective
Perspective
6 days ago
Reply to  John Middleton

Read what you quoted from me again: “as a Christian we expect more and hold him to a higher personal standard” Personally, i hold him to a much higher standard than i do politically. So should you all. Church discipline, repentance, all of that. I expect those of him, if he’s going to claim Christ as Lord. And… far as i can tell, he meets both that standard and my minimum threshold for political position. In fact, because he is repentant and in good-standing, he far exceeds my political standards as an incrementalist Christian Nationalist. There is no ground here… Read more »

John Middleton
John Middleton
6 days ago
Reply to  Perspective

I’ll read even more of it than that that. “I get the temptation to hold Hegseth to a higher political standard..”. Temptation? As in, we might want to but we really shouldn’t? Actually I don’t hold a Christian politician to a higher standard than a non-Christian one. I hold any candidate to at least a minimal threshold standard of personal morality, as in fundamentally honest and temperate. It’s just, you’d think that would be a given for a Christian. Anyway, there is not one moral standard for politicians, bankers, and CEOs, and a higher one for people of average means… Read more »

David Anderson
7 days ago
Reply to  Perspective

> “I mean, seriously, y’all. Get some perspective!”

You’d follow what’s being said a lot better if you could put aside the idea that our main interest is to discuss politics, rather than to discuss Christian Nationalism (and its predictable effects on those young men or churches who take it up).

David Anderson
8 days ago
Reply to  Perspective

You’re apparently talking about your own views about Christians in politics. Fair enough. But I was talking about the inconsistencies that have emerged between the claimed principles and doctrines of Christian Nationalists (which they claim to be non-negotiable divine requirements) and what they’re now saying in practice and trying to do to promote Hegseth as one of their own now that there’s an apparent whiff of real power in the air.

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David Anderson
8 days ago
Reply to  David Anderson

Or to sum it up by repeating an earlier point. Is Hunter Biden clear-as-daylight evidence that Joseph Biden is not qualified to be a national leader because he made a mess of managing his own family, with wreckage still visible to this day? Or are Christian Nationalists now going to retract their claims relating to that? “The case for Christian nationalism itself is already being made, far more effectively than I could ever make it, by Hunter Biden” – https://dougwils.com/books-and-culture/s7-engaging-the-culture/christian-nationalism-the-movie.html . Christian Nationalism, we’re told, is the antidote to being ruled by men who can’t even rule themselves. “Pete Hegseth… Read more »

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Chris
Chris
7 days ago
Reply to  Perspective

You are valorizing the dregs of the swamp, and have the nerve to ask with a straight face “by what standard.” Truly deranged. I sure hope Pete didn’t assault anybody you hold close.

Perspective
Perspective
7 days ago
Reply to  Chris

You call that valorizing?!! Yikes.

Chris
Chris
7 days ago
Reply to  Perspective

You’re the one calling for less of a standard. Therefore increasing the value of an accused sexual assaulter that repented by paying off his victim, allegedly. Look up the definition yourself but I doubt you would.

Perspective
Perspective
6 days ago
Reply to  Chris

Oh please, post the definition of valorizing for us. Demonstrate how it actually means “lowering standards”.

And you and i are in no position to judge the quality and nature of his repentance. His elders have said he is in good standing in their church. Unless you know more than they do about him right now, then you don’t have grounds here for your bile.

Chris
Chris
6 days ago
Reply to  Perspective

Your lowering of standards increases the value of a credibly accused sexual assaulter.

And elders are TERRIBLE at this. Wasn’t Kanye West in these good standings not that long ago? What about people like Steve Lawson? Ted Haggard? The slavery apologist proprietor of this blog? Shall I go on?

Calvinists worship money. Full stop.

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Chris
Chris
6 days ago
Reply to  Perspective

Oh yeah, and don’t forget about Alex Lloyd! Another fine example Christ Church’s high standards 🤣

The Commenter Formerly Known As fp
The Commenter Formerly Known As fp
8 days ago
Reply to  David Anderson

We get it, David. Pete Hegseth isn’t practically perfect in every way. His repentance isn’t good enough for you. After all, when your standards for human leadership are higher than God’s — you know, the One who put people like Moses (murderer), Samson (adulterer), King David (adulterer & murderer), and the Apostle Paul (murderer) in charge — then nothing less than absolute, uncompromising perfection will do. 

David Anderson
7 days ago

You don’t get it, because that’s not what I was saying. To make it very simple: Pete Hegseth doesn’t meet the standards that Christian Nationalists said God requires. Christian Nationalists are also promoting Hegseth as the sort of politician they want in power. To get it, you have to understand that I’m not evaluating Pete Hegseth, I’m evaluating Christian Nationalists.

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Perspective
Perspective
7 days ago
Reply to  David Anderson

Christian Nationalist *incrementalists*, my friend. And you’re doing it by carefully ignoring our post-millennial incrementalist pragmatism. There are ideals we want all leaders to meet. We can hold leaders up to those and judge them according to those ideals. But in this current secular society where we do not have a Christian nation, we’d be blithering idiots to use those ideals as minimum requirements. That’s a recipe for preventing any and all progress. Hegseth is clearly progress. Clearly more godly at this point (church member in good standing, y’all!) than most others who would be put up for that role.… Read more »

David Anderson
7 days ago
Reply to  Perspective

So, not a set of divine requirements concerning minimum standards after all, then.
i.e. All that “Joe Biden is clearly disqualified when you examine his family life” stuff wasn’t a sincere belief about what God has clearly revealed, but just a political tactic to try to get “our man” in power. Thank you for clarifying.

Dave
Dave
7 days ago
Reply to  David Anderson

I missed the news. When did Biden and his entire family turn to the cross, repent of their sins and accept Jesus as Lord and Savior?

Perspective
Perspective
6 days ago
Reply to  David Anderson

Fabulous job of studiously avoiding the repeated point, Mr. Anderson. I particularly love all the strawmen! You know the “political tactic” and “our man” and “disqualified”, but my favorite of all is the way you stubbornly insist on foisting that false binary position on your opponent. That combination of fallacy and strawman is delicious. Very convincing. Just look at all the convinced people agreeing with you here on this three day old comment section! Must be satisfying… Ok, snark and snideness aside. My blessings on you, brother. I’m sure if we could discuss this around a campfire with some whiskey… Read more »

The Commenter Formerly Known As fp
The Commenter Formerly Known As fp
7 days ago
Reply to  David Anderson

For not “evaluating Pete Hegseth”, you sure squirted a bunch of squid ink in a valiant effort to make absolutely sure everyone is keenly and intimately aware of just how rotten a guy he was. So tell me then, apart from the “standards that Christian Nationalists said God requires” (whatever those are), what exactly disqualifies Hegseth from the position for which he’s being considered? And your answer had better be more than “Fox News host.” Pop quiz: Are you a Christian? Do you love your nation? Congratulations. You’re a Christian Nationalist. BTW, did you know that the State is a… Read more »

Perspective
Perspective
6 days ago

Fairly certain what disqualifies him most for Mr Anderson is that Doug supported him. If the CN camp likes him, there must be a good argument against him, right? If he flails around enough, he may find something that works here…

The Commenter Formerly Known As fp
The Commenter Formerly Known As fp
6 days ago
Reply to  Perspective

If I were engaging in a psyop where the objective is to keep Christian conservatives out of the political arena, the only thing I’d do differently than Señor Anderson is employ better writing.

Honestly, I’ve seen more coherent content from grade schoolers than this rank amateur.

Luke Pride
Luke Pride
6 days ago

Where in scripture did God create the state? It is difficult to make a command to Noah and his family to punish murder as God creates a new institution beyond the family. The institution of the Priesthood is clear, as is that of the church. God raised judges, but that was nothing like a “state.” To take Romans 13 and recognize that it says they have been instituted by God and try to make an argument from silence that it must mean, at some point not recorded, is forced. To say that being instituted by God means he created it… Read more »

Barnabas
Barnabas
7 days ago

I have pretty low standards for politicians but it IS funny that Wilson cites concerns that a shared meme six degrees of separation distant from Hegseth might be damaging to his confirmation as one of the motivations for the Antioch declaration. Meanwhile, Hegseth has been very publicly scumbaggy for most of his life.
Very respecter of persons.

Andrew Lohr
Andrew Lohr
6 days ago
Reply to  David Anderson

Nor does church itself avoid–“compromises”?–avoid pride for its good stuff so that, even tho God is perfect and we’re not, it’s not pressing on very hard to take ahold of that for which Christ Jesus took hold on us. Not listening to suggestions for improvement, or to suggestions that this or that is wrong and needs fixed. Satisfied with itself. Proud (and I’ve seen the word used.) Not that churches are alone in this; but the wise and Godly people should set a better example. Very often it’s not what a church does that bothers me much, but what it… Read more »

Greg Krehbiel
Greg Krehbiel
8 days ago

Does 1 Samuel 23:10-13 contradict Aslan? In that strange passage, God tells David what will happen *if* he does something, which he doesn’t do. I believe I wrote in the margin of one of my Bibles “God knows all possible futures,” which is an odd concept.

Of course this is referring to something that might happen in the future rather than something that might have been in the past, but it seems to rub against the grain of Aslan’s statement that nobody gets to know what might have been.

jigawatt
jigawatt
8 days ago
Reply to  Greg Krehbiel

Or 1 Sam 13:13.

Jane Dunsworth
Jane Dunsworth
7 days ago
Reply to  Greg Krehbiel

Maybe it was meant as “nobody gets to know what might have been to satisfy their own curiosity?” In the Samuel passage, God appears to have a specific purpose for revealing that to David. Of course, the other possibility is that Lewis was wrong, which is certainly more than possible. But I think “it’s none of your business” and “I’m telling you this for a reason” aren’t quite the same thing.

Jane Dunsworth
Jane Dunsworth
7 days ago
Reply to  Jane Dunsworth

Or rather instead of “not quite the same thing,” not in real contradiction. Might have beens are none of our business in general, as “other people’s stories” are, but sometimes there is a need to know.

Greg Krehbiel
Greg Krehbiel
7 days ago
Reply to  Jane Dunsworth

There is a difference between “what will happen if” and “what would have happened if,” and maybe that’s part of it. There’s also the “why do you need to know” component, as you mention.

David J.
David J.
3 days ago
Reply to  Greg Krehbiel

“God knows all possible futures.” I once heard John Piper say, “God knows all contingencies, but He knows nothing contingently.”

NorthIdahoNationalist
NorthIdahoNationalist
8 days ago

Ben, I just addressed a lot of what you are talking about in the “Our NQN After Action Report” article. It may be of interest to you. N, Don’t get stuck on any single girl as “the one,” as that is the quickest and most assured path of failure. Given, if you’re in the insulated community of cc, it may work out for you, but I would recommend against it. Doug is correct in stating to treat this young lady as a brother, think of how a brother acts towards and treats his sisters. Don’t try to be her “friend.”… Read more »

Andrew Lohr
Andrew Lohr
8 days ago

I’ve read most of Phil Kayser’s book on young communion. His bottom line is: NOT before 3 years old; SOME 3-year-olds are ready, others are not. The book is readable, tho about 400 pages and scholarly. (A shorter version free online is “Feed my Lambs” by Kayser, same title as Tim Gallant’s book). His Biblical grounds for 3 years is a Hebrew word relating to that age, used 8 times 4 with sacramental reference, as I recall; along with inadequacies he sees in other positions (he spells out 14 positions on age for starting communion.) /////// Seems slightly biased against… Read more »

David Anderson
7 days ago
Reply to  Andrew Lohr

> “calls them, in effect, unbelievers or hypocrites”

So, would you baptise and communicate a 3-year old child of non-Christian parents who says that they love Jesus? It seems on this very black-and-white logic that your only alternative would be to accuse them of lying or hypocrisy. Life is surely more complex than such all-or-nothing possibilities.

Corner Cases FTW
Corner Cases FTW
7 days ago
Reply to  David Anderson

If their Christian grandparents or aunts/uncles or other secondary caregiver are bringing them to church, yes.

They aren’t going to be in a coming-to-church-for-sacraments situations without a Christian caregiver of some kind discipling them in the first place. At least, i’ve never heard of a 3yr old getting to church on their own.

Andrew Lohr
Andrew Lohr
6 days ago

Yes. Pastor Kayser’s “Feed My Lambs” (more so than the book) has a section on what can be expected from kids and how elders may question them.

Jake
Jake
7 days ago

Caleb, there have been many speculative fiction books where authors try to imagine what would happen if this event would happen or that one. No matter what the scenario imagined is, no one can know for sure.

Rob
Rob
7 days ago

K, “Isn’t postmillennialism all about the gospel’s spread?” How does post-mill relate to the gospel spread that pre-mill does not? Not sure I understand the correlation? I can make an argument that gospel spread may be more understandable under the pre-mill worldview. Can you enlighten?

Eric Justice
Eric Justice
7 days ago

For N, I’d like to say “Her Hand in Marriage” would be an extremely helpful book to read regarding your interest in your friend, and desire for marriage. In that book, Doug clearly explains parental authority and the necessity for it in the life of eligible bachelors and bachelorettes. I agree with Doug’s advice, but I would also say and I assume Doug would agree to a certain extent, that it would be entirely permissible for you to discuss this issue with your parents and also talk to her parents about an arrangement in which you could access whether or… Read more »