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Written by Douglas Wilson   
Wednesday, February 17, 2010 9:51 pm

Please bear with me a bit in this review of Scott Clark's contribution to Tabletalk. So many different issues converge here that it will be necessary to spend a little bit of time deconfusing them.

Clark's article concerns what to do with the pilgrims from evangelicalism that may be making their way into confessional Reformed churches. "Upon arrival, the visitor is likely to find new language and culture, that is, a new theology, piety, and practice." Clark grants that the traffic is not exactly heavy -- there are about sixty million evangelicals in North America, and less than a million members in confessional Reformed communions. But there is traffic, and Clark discusses what to do about it. Jumping to the end of the article, Clark, to his credit, urges that these faithful Reformed believers decline to surrender their heritage, and that they "gently, gradually, welcome" these pilgrims to the confessional tradition. Thus far, this is all to the good.

But there is a glitch. Knowing the particular kind of confessional tradition that passes muster with Clark, certain comments he makes in the course of this article throws this reviewer into a state of consternation.

"There remain, however, churches that not only trace their roots to the Reformation but who also continue to believe the same faith confessed by Calvin and his successors."

This will fly when you are dealing with a refugee from pabulum churches, and who doesn't know the history or theology of the Reformation. A Klinean kingdom approach is something that someone can hold and still go to Heaven, obviously, but it most emphatically is not "the same faith confessed by Calvin and his successors." It is the same faith with bits and pieces of it, sure.

I'll bet that if you got Scott Clark and William Perkins in a battle of the bands face off, and asked each of them to play that old fifties standard, Ordo Salutis, it would recognizably be the same song. But there are a whole bunch of other issues, issues that show up in virtually all the Reformed confessions, and which take up the lion's share of the Reformers' biographies, that, if you apply the acids of R2K theology to them, they just come apart in your hands.

 

"Now the confessional churches are isolated from both the old liberal mainline and the revivalist traditions."

This is because they are isolated from pretty much everybody, and this unfortunately includes isolation from the cultural potency of Reformed theology and piety. And that potency, incidentally, is one of the most obvious things about it. The Reformed theology I have read and studied and loved built a great civilization. The Reformed theology of the truncated brethren, consistently applied, would have trouble building a taco stand.

"If you found yourself in an intentionally historic, confessional Reformed congregation, you may have even done a little time traveling to the seventeenth or even the sixteenth century."

Look. If you actually did some time travel to Geneva, or Heidelberg, or London, or Wittenberg, or Strasbourg, you would have to be given guided tours that kept you out of 9/10 of those cities, and out of 100% of the theological discussions. You would be given a guided tour of every sixteenth century Potemkin village there was.

"It may take time for Americans raised on religious fast food to learn to enjoy a new diet, language and culture. If we try to become what the pilgrim has left behind, what use are we to the pilgrim? (Matt. 5:13)"

Clark describes evangelicals abandoning the fast food of revivalism, and it is an apt metaphor. But it is possible to abandon breakfast, lunch and dinner at the golden arches without insisting that the only restaurant in the world with confessional food is a sushi bar in Escondido.

And it is here that Clark has gotten the picture exactly backwards. As an evangelical, and the son of an evangelical, allow me to give my testimony. I was part of the exodus from pop evangelicalism (not historic evangelicalism). I was sick of the cultural irrelevance and impotence of "believe in Jesus, go to Heaven when you die." I was sick of a pietism that couldn't find its way out of the prayer closet. I wanted to stop confessing that Jesus was Lord of an invisible seventeenth dimension somewhere. Why not here? Why not now? It was a long story, but the trail to historic evangelicalism, God-honoring worship, and a culturally potent and world transforming faith led me straight to the Reformed faith -- the same faith that John Calvin and his successors confessed. Calvin preached to milkmaids and Calvin wrote letters to princes. Calvin drafted catechisms, and he drafted ordinances for the city council. Calvin thought that the idea of a civil society without enforcement of the first table of the law was "preposterous." Calvin was a loyal son of Christendom, as am I.

Clark says that if the confessionally Reformed make the mistake of trying "to become what the pilgrim has left behind, what use are we to the pilgrim?" This is actually an outstanding question.

Scott, let me answer it for you. What you argue for -- principled cultural irrelevance for Jesus -- is exactly what I left behind, and I left it behind because historic Reformed believers taught me better. You have, at this point, abandoned the historic Reformed faith, and you have joined yourself to the anabaptists and revivalists. I can describe it for you well -- I grew up in that, and I know exactly what it is like.

In your confessional church, would you vote to ordain John Knox? Would you vote to ordain Martin Bucer? Would you vote to ordain John Calvin? Would you vote to ordain Abraham Kuyper? Would you vote to ordain Jonathan Edwards? Looking over that list, I would be five for five. What would you do? Treat them as pilgrims who needed to be taught some of the nuances of the true confessional tradition?



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Barb  Thursday, February 18, 2010 2:43 am
An Escondido shell, Kline's Hamburger, locally grown lettuce, tomatoes & onions, Extra-Spicy Spinoza Sauce, and shredded cheese product topped with Clark's Sour Cream™... Yummy!

:-)
Matt Colvin  - Man up  Thursday, February 18, 2010 3:11 am
Doug, while it may be amusing to you to satirize Scott Clark, it is far less than you ought to be doing.

I once received an email in which Clark urged people not to send money to Steve Schlissel's church in Brooklyn after 9/11.

Bill DeJong received evidence that after sharing his hospitality, Clark badmouthed him behind his back to brothers in his denomination.

Evidence is on his blog daily that Clark is what St. Paul would call "a persecutor and a violent man."

I would like to see you shelve the silly comedy routine and take some manful action against this Satan, this accuser of the brethren. I would like to see you, or another pastor, assemble a dossier documenting Clark's pattern of evil behavior, and submit it to his consistory with a request to muzzle him. And to his seminary, with a request that he be fired and thus removed from his bully pulpit. I would like to see it measured to him with the measure he uses. As he has tried to make faithful Reformed pastors jobless, so should he be made jobless.

If you're actually dialoguing with Scott Clark, you're in violation of Titus 3:10 ("warn a divisive man twice, and after that have nothing to do with him"). If you're not dialoguing, but mocking, then your action falls far short of what is needed.

Man up and do something about him.
Tim Etherington  Thursday, February 18, 2010 5:30 am
I am just so glad I refrained from making a Clark joke in the RC Jr post. This was so much better.
jay niemeyer  Thursday, February 18, 2010 7:38 am
Alas for 'Pilgrim' that attends a megachurch with contemporary music - distorted guitars and all - that preaches the Gospel and teaches the Word like Jonathan Edwards? :shock:
Charles Churchill  - ROUS?  Thursday, February 18, 2010 7:50 am
Buttercup: Westley, what about the MCMPGJEs?

Westley: Megachurches with Contemporary Music but with Gospel Preaching like Jonathan Edwards? I don't think they exist... AARGHH!!

(just as a side note, if distortion is the proper word, I can see Jonathan Edwards' first objection forming in my mind already)
Douglas Wilson  Thursday, February 18, 2010 8:14 am
Matt, is the information you shared here about Bill DeJong a public matter?
Matt Colvin  Thursday, February 18, 2010 8:56 am
I got it off Rev. DeJong's blog, which is public. So I assume so.
Matt Colvin  Thursday, February 18, 2010 9:18 am
http://episcopos.blogspot.com/2010/01/questions-for-canrc-10.html
Douglas Wilson  Thursday, February 18, 2010 9:34 am
Matt, thanks for the link.

But what you call amusing myself and a "silly comedy routine" is actually something else.
Matt Colvin  Thursday, February 18, 2010 10:23 am
Pastor Wilson,

You already know what I think about that proclivity of yours.

Clark is a man who has shown himself by his repeated actions over a decade to be an enemy of Christ's bride. He fancies himself a witty fellow with a widely read blog. Don't answer him according to his folly, lest you also be like him. This is a Proverbs 26:4 occasion, not 26:5.
Matt Colvin  Thursday, February 18, 2010 10:30 am
I'd add that the medium is the message. What Clark does is deeply sinful and damaging to the church. It should be met with deadly earnest... which in the nature of the case cannot be provided by a blog.
jay niemeyer  Thursday, February 18, 2010 12:16 pm
Ha ha! Point well taken Charles...almost. I have to say that there are no Churches PERIOD that have preaching like Edwards. (Pastor Wilson is pretty dang good, though.)

If there WERE a modern mega-church with the preaching of, say, Spurgeon, would there be a problem with any of y'all?

Also, Mr. Churchill, what would be Edward's objection to a bit of fuzz effect in a guitar were he around today? Howbout some spicy heat in food? What's the diff?
Charles Churchill  - Distortion  Thursday, February 18, 2010 1:21 pm
Jay,
I'm joking a little, but serious a little. Edwards was incredibly precise, and if what is being done to music and sound is properly called "distortion", I think you'd that one of his initial objections without even hearing the guitar be played would be that distortion isn't something a Christian should be involved in. :)
Douglas Wilson  - re:  Thursday, February 18, 2010 10:58 am
Matt Colvin wrote:
Pastor Wilson,

You already know what I think about that proclivity of yours.



Matt, I do know. I have been flamed by you much more than I have been by Clark. You are much more quarrelsome than he.
Matt Colvin  Thursday, February 18, 2010 11:15 am
Faithful are the wounds of a friend, Doug. May God prosper your ministry, and lead you to a willingness to admit your errors of fact and judgment.

Clark? I'm sure he'd like to see you defrocked and silenced.

I wish you all success.
Douglas Wilson  Thursday, February 18, 2010 12:02 pm
Matt, the problem is that Clark knows where that faithful-wounds verse is too.
Matt Colvin  Thursday, February 18, 2010 12:14 pm
Doug,

Faithful wounds are delivered to the face, not behind the back. That's the difference between my past rebukes of you -- public, on your blog, with my name signed -- and Clark's assassination of fellow pastors.

Anytime you want to bury the hatchet, let me know.

My phone number is (513) 204-5623.
Douglas Wilson  - Slight Problem  Thursday, February 18, 2010 2:32 pm
Matt, as far as I am concerned, there is no hatchet to bury. I wish you all the best, and would be happy to be done anytime.

That wish includes the desire that you would learn to make more careful distinctions, and to more careful when you write. For example, it is better to attack a man honestly to his face than dishonestly behind his back -- but doing this to a man's face is not a sufficient condition for a "faithful wound." Shimei spoke directly to David, and not behind his back, and there were still problems with his approach. The fact that he spoke to David's face did not mean that he was a friend delivering a faithful wound.

This is related to something else. To call Scott Clark a "Satan" and guilty of "evil behavior" is way over the top, unless you are prepared to bring charges. You don't get to rail against Clark, one of your adversaries, and then upbraid another of your adversaries for not filing charges against Clark on the basis of what you have asserted about him. You said it, and so you need to follow through on it.

You seem to think that you are earnest enough, and sincere enough, that you can say outrageous things -- as though, to reapply C.S. Lewis, a long face is some sort of moral disinfectant. But this is exactly the mistake that Clark makes. Remember the apostle Paul apologized for calling Ananias a whited wall (Acts 23:3) -- and there are some deep lessons in that.
James Caldwell  Thursday, February 18, 2010 2:40 pm
Excellent message, Pastor
Matt Colvin  Thursday, February 18, 2010 7:50 pm
The fact that you think Shimei/David is any kind of analogy for our own past interaction is revelatory, but not about me.

Re: "a Satan," another man wrote that first, not I. But I read it and realized that it fit perfectly. Rem acue tetigit. Clark is a man who spends much of his time attacking faithful ministers of Christ. That's the Devil's job description.

Clark is no high priest, and he needs to be called to account. I will send a letter to his consistory, with as much supporting evidence as I have.

As for you, keep blogging, I guess. But I have friends among Clark's victims. Joab's words apply: "I cannot linger with you."
Brian C.  Thursday, February 18, 2010 5:47 pm
Mr. Wilson

After you call Matt, can you give me a call? I need to ask you a question about something in Federal Husband.

555-123-1234 :shock:



Charles Churchill  - Distortion  Thursday, February 18, 2010 6:42 pm
Jay,
I'm joking a little, but serious a little. Edwards was incredibly precise, and if what is being done to music and sound is properly called "distortion", I think without even hearing the guitar that one of his initial objections would be that distortion isn't something a Christian should be involved in. :)
jay niemeyer  Thursday, February 18, 2010 7:25 pm
Charles, 'distortion' in guitar use is simply a means of adding more 'aggression' to the sound. If one were to, say, compose a song using this dynamic, an appropriate place for it's use could be in the more strongly-worded places in a lyric.
Context is everything!
It is no more sinful than to pluck a string or strike a piano key with more vigor.
Charles Churchill  - I think you're missing my point  Thursday, February 18, 2010 8:17 pm
Jay, I'm not sure that your definition of distortion is entirely correct, but it's beside the point. I was just making a joke that Edwards was the sort of person to whom words meant things. If someone suggested using an instrument that relied about something called distortion, I could just see the initial objection forming in his mind. Like I said, it was a bit of a joke in the first place, so don't think I'm actually trying to speak for the Honorable J.E.
Have a good evening,
Charles
Tim Etherington  - This just in: Jonathan Edwards is still dead.  Friday, February 19, 2010 3:55 am
It is entirely possible for a church to have a rock band, stylish cloths, PowerPoint presentations, big screen projectors, a minister under the age of 40 with a faux hawk and still have solid doctrine preached. And Jonathan Edwards is still dead so we'll never know if he would have gone in for that sort of thing.

Let us not get church culture confused with orthodoxy lest we have have Hilu tribesmen worshiping in grass skirts and ties and thinking we've done mission well.
Charles Churchill  - And getting deader by the second...  Friday, February 19, 2010 7:12 am
Tim,
I suppose its possible to have Madonna and Britney kissing in a steel cage, R2D2 projecting holograms, and a genetically engineered howler monkey preaching solid doctrine from the pulpit, but for the life of me, I can't figure out what that has to do with your comment about church culture and orthodoxy.
At every moment in our life, everything we do has a reason behind it, and while it will never be fully realized in this corrupted flesh, for a Christian, the embodiment of that reason is Jesus Christ.
It is one thing to say that a thing can exist, it is another to provide the situation, the knowledge, the faith, the obedience, and the necessary pleasure of Christ as Lord that produced it.
(As a side note, I'm somewhat new to these forums and so I'm not sure if I'm striking the right tone here. My desire is, I hope, for the name of Christ to be exalted and to sharpen my knowledge and ability to express the nature of God. I don't mean this line of argument as an attack on you, though I am in a very real sense attacking your ideas or at least my understanding of them. Or in summary, I hope you'll tell me if I'm being as ass.)

Thanks,
Charles
Tim Etherington  - No, you're not being an ass.  Friday, February 19, 2010 9:32 am
Charles, for a "noob" (i.e. a new-be, a new person) your netiquette is excellent.

My point was back to your brilliant "Princess Bride" response to Jay's comment
Quote:
Alas for 'Pilgrim' that attends a megachurch with contemporary music - distorted guitars and all - that preaches the Gospel and teaches the Word like Jonathan Edwards?

That is "I don't think they exist."

Where I was going was that we sometimes get our church culture confused with what is being preached so that if the preacher doesn't conform to our norms then we either assume he's not preaching right or we can't even listen. This is an example of "The Regulative Garrot of Worship" where anything I don't like is automatically sinful and wrong because I don't like it.

It is possible for a younger preacher to adopt a different set of cultural norms and still faithfully preach the Word of God. Ezra wouldn't have a clue what the Puritans were up to culturally, but they both preached the Word faithfully.

I'm just sayin'
Charles Churchill  - Agreed!  Friday, February 19, 2010 10:04 am
Hey Tim,
Total agreement, I think. My last comment was born out of a weariness of running into the idea that theology doesn't produce actual fruit. It doesn't sound like you'd argue with that at all.
No question that we are all at a certain point in our walk and that God moves us over time.

Have a great weekend!
Charles
Tim Etherington  - A Thoroughly Appropriate Man Hug  Friday, February 19, 2010 10:14 am
Charles, we're there. We agree. Theology has feet. It always reaches the ground and does stuff.

Most megachurches are driven by Arminian theology and therefore pander to the whims and desires of the unsaved. But not all of them. Some are driven by Calvinism and understand that Jesus' sheep need to hear his voice and cultural barriers can sometimes make that difficult.

Ah, I'm rambling. Have a great weekend Charles. And this Lord's Day I hope your worship is pleasing to God.
jay niemeyer  Friday, February 19, 2010 12:19 pm
Charles,
I did take your comment in the way you had intended - hence the 'Ha ha'.
I am fairly new to 'netiquette' as well, so forgive me if I am not projecting the tone intended. (Must be distorted a bit, no?*snort!)
God Bless!
Charles Churchill  - thanks  Friday, February 19, 2010 8:25 pm
Jay,
I laughed at loud at your distorted retort.

God bless you as well,
Charles
Caca Fuego  - Frame's critiques  Friday, February 26, 2010 12:25 pm
I'm sure you've seen John Frame's critique of Clark's approach from his review of Clark's latest book (http://www.frame-poythress.org/frame_articles/2010Clark.htm) and of Horton's approach in a critique (http://frame-poythress.org/frame_articles/2009Horton.htm) of Horton's Christless Christianity, but here they are anyway.